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If homosexuality was unnatural then it would not exist within the realm of natur

If something was unnatural then it would not exist within nature, unnatural meaning contrary to the ordinary course of nature or abnormal, unnatural meaning flying pigs in a sence but even that can be questioned, example: if we genetically engineer flying pigs then it is possible within the realm of nature, to be truly unnatural something has to defy the laws of physics, that being said if it is done or can be done within our realm of physics then it's not unnatural.

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Logic !

Side: True

This is absolutely the truth. Homosexuality is present in 1,500 species and homophobia in only one. It is clearly the latter which is unnatural.

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flewk(1193) Clarified
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You should read the premise for this debate. Natural is defined as anything within the laws of physics.

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Yes! Homosexuality is not against nature. Homosexuality has been around for centuries and it is something that nature endorses.

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So... by your definition through the use of "physics", things like pedophilia and killer robots are natural as well?

Everything in the observable universe falls within the laws of physics; mostly because that is how we came up with the laws, by observing the universe...

Maybe you should try to use social standards to discuss a social issue, not physics.

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Warjin(1577) Disputed
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Yes if we have killer robots, pedophilia they are natural, if it can happen in our universe then it is natural even if we can't explain it if it can happen then it is natural.

Please note that I'm in no way saying pedophilia okay within our social construct, the majority of us deem that action to be wrong but it's not unnatural by any means.

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flewk(1193) Clarified
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Yeah.

I was just trying to point out using laws of physics to discuss a social issue does not make sense. I used a mocking tone. I apologize for that.

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The point is that whether or not something is "natural" is not important. Homosexuality is natural, as is heterosexuality, pedophile, mental illness, all of the above. That means we have to evaluate situations based on their impact, not their "natural" or "unnatural" origins. Claiming homosexuality is wrong because it's unnatural is idiotic.

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Warjin(1577) Clarified
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Maybe I am miss understanding you, I feel everything is natural so long as it exist, so i'm not disputing you but agree if that's what you mean.

Side: True
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This is a good assessment. Good example with mental illness. Good job.

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flewk(1193) Disputed
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You should probably have read my comment before responding.

Maybe you should try to use social standards to discuss a social issue, not physics.

That sums up what you just said.

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Natural is a female and a male reproducing, homosexuals cant reproduce! the physics don't work do they?? homosexuality maybe found in other species but the physics stay the same homosexuals cant reproduce only a male and a female! gays need to accept there different and to natural, that's doesn't mean they should be treated different or targeted with hatred! so gays just shut up and get on with your life's stop feeling the need to pronounce it all the time!! because no one really gives a monkeys anymore.

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What about infertile couples? Are they unnatural? Are you opposed to their marriage? Because your argument backs that up as well.

Side: True
minimurph83(194) Disputed
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Your way off the point, when a man and a woman come together they can create life, a man and a man cant nor can a woman and a woman its pretty simple, infertile couples is a problem with the individual nothing to do with what im saying, im not opposed to marriage at all love is love regardless of sexuality!!

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