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I do not want my goverment getting involved in my church or my church in my goverment. Plus, how sure are you that your church will be the one that merges the goverment. If you are not a memeber of the new religous order, you are pretty much screwed.
The whole idea of following a religion means following the rules of it. A religion-based government will structure every aspect of the country after the code of conduct the religion calls for. Where does it say "freedom of speech" in the Bible, Koran, Torah, etc.? Where does it say people can follow any other religion or belief? To my understanding, people who worship other "idols" were to be either converted, destroyed, or avoided. So for those of you who say we would still have freedom, think again and make sure you look at the whole picture
More than just a yes. Religion preaches moral absolutes in many cases, which can restrict freedoms of peoples. For example, look at many politicians in America that are anti-gay rights. Most of their logic derives from "it's not natural" or "God created Adam and Eve". I honestly cannot think of a single argument for something against gay rights that is not rooted in religious ideas, and that's just one example!
Very quickly. In the US that religion would be christianity which is already trying to control everything it can. If it was actually given the freedom to do what it wanted we'd have mandated prayer, religiously run military opperations, even more fucking churches and we'd probably be persecuting atheists, wiccans, and other religious minorities.
Why would it? Assuming this is the Christian religion, which understands that people do evil, then the government would be forgiving and understanding of crime. Hence, the law would be strict, but the forgiveness plentiful. If the religion were Islam, when no one can obey the law perfectly, then it would be bad.
All i have to say is that many of the things we are implored to follow would be a law, if the KKK and Westboro refuse to forgive then they are outlaws. What would be interesting is how a forgiving government would deal with outlaws like those.
All i have to say is that many of the things we are implored to follow would be a law, if the KKK and Westboro refuse to forgive then they are outlaws.
In other words, it would banish the right of speech and eliminate the First Amendment.
In other words, it would banish the right of speech and eliminate the First Amendment.
What? I don't know what the first amendment is, but since when is it a benchmark for freedom? We have seen the actions of the KKK and Westboro church, are you saying the current law which restricts them from doing what they want is banishing their right of speech?
What? I don't know what the first amendment is, but since when is it a benchmark for freedom?
Then in that case your not an American, my apologies. The First Amendment is a "law" saying that citizens of the US can speak their mind basically. In that case, nuts like the KKK, New Black Panthers, and WBC can spread their hate.
We have seen the actions of the KKK and Westboro church, are you saying the current law which restricts them from doing what they want is banishing their right of speech?
Sadly I don't follow. There is no law from keeping their hate bashing off the streets.
Sadly I don't follow. There is no law from keeping their hate bashing off the streets.
Oh, I am sorry I was not talking about verbal bashing. I was talking about when they exercise there belief physically by attacking gays or blacks or whatever. That was my bad. Sorry.
You have heard that Jesus Christ is God and Lord, do you believe that?
I'm agnostic if you are directing the question at me.
Stop conveniently believing everything that goes against Christianity just to pedal your own hate.
Hate you are getting stomped in this debate, huh? By the way, I SAW it come out of their mouth. And if you try to tell me the KKK and WBC doesn't exist, well...
I'm agnostic if you are directing the question at me.
Nope, you do not understand. Apparently when you SEE things come out of someones mouth you automatically believe. That is obviously a fallacy.
Hate you are getting stomped in this debate, huh? By the way, I SAW it come out of their mouth. And if you try to tell me the KKK and WBC doesn't exist, well...
Again, you also saw Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour come out of their mouths. You saw them say blacks are bad, gays are bad and fornication is bad(WBC) but you do not believe many of those things. You need more evidence than seeing it come out of their mouths to believe it to be true.
Don't assume religion = Christianity... If the world were lead by shamans, the schooling system would most likely put as much priority into concepts like 'power animals' as they would algebra, but apart from that not much would change.
I doubt that the combination of religion and state will cause freedom to decline. But that depends on which religion though.... because not every religion expresses freedom as an intrinsic right.
Most of the laws are religious. Speaking lie is considered as a sin and also by law it is wrong practice.theft was also prohibited by prophets. Prophets are the people who give us virtues. Otherwise we cannot think speaking lie or theft is wrong. For example in Muslim world women not covering themselves is considered as a sin but in other world women not covering themselves completely is not considered bad. Laws make nation Christian ,Muslim or Jewish or Hindu state.
It depends upon your state of mind . you think acting by laws is against your freedom. Laws save you from thieves and decoits. Laws make sure that people are free from fear and danger.it is only one example
Alright, but what about the people who don't want to follow that religion, or don't believe in any religion? Think about how having a religious government will affect them. Look in a history book, and go back to the times when the Catholic Church had its hand in every government in Europe. It was the supreme power, and to speak against the Church was considered slander and best case scenario, you were put in jail, got out, then alienated for the rest of your life. THATS THE BEST SCENARIO. People lived in fear of the Church, and there were no "free speech" protections or "freedom of religion". If you worshiped different gods, you were to be burned, tortured, drowned, stoned, etc. Laws are to protect ALL people, not just the "righteous". And laws are made by people who THINK they're protecting you and keeping you safe. The laws don't always work in our favor, which is why they come up with a new one or make revisions all the time. What major religion says that it's okay to worship other gods, that gives both women and men equal rights, or gives us the freedom to say what we wish? Religion is not about equality, it's about becoming a follower in order to have a peaceful afterlife. Religion is often paraphrased and edited to fit the needs at the time as well. If the government were to follow every law in the Bible, Torah, Koran, etc. word for word, do you really think people would live happily ever after? Do you honestly believe that agnostics, theists, atheists, Wiccans, etc. would accept the changes and the consequences? And please, learn to convey your message clearly, so others don't have to waste time trying to figure out what you're trying to say. (I'm not just talking about that statement either.)
imposing something by power is dictatorship .the people who do this are not promoting religion.Religion without belief is of no use.basic concept of bible, torah and quran is that there is one God. with time he teaches His people.he gives scientific knowledgeand also help people in making social laws.by the time of moses people of his society were slaves and not brave enough to take revenge of their masters brutalities. so, Moses was told to take revenge in each and every case. by the time of jesus his people were very cruel so he was told to forgive people in each and every case.by the time of muhammad people were told that punishments are for correctness if the judge believes that the punishment is neccessary then take the revenge but if peace and correctness comes with forgivness then forgive the person.all the time God wanted his people get some virtues of bravery,humbleness and wisdom.now man is educated enough that he can decide which thing is needed in times of war bravery is required but killing innocent children as a revenge is not giving you bravery.similarly in times of war forgiving soldiers so that they can destroy you is never wise.
You're clearly living in a fantasy world, because reality doesn't include the wise people you're talking about. God also made bears kill alot of children just because they were teasing Elijah (Or it might have been Elisha). He endorses slavery, allowed men to have several wives, and does not have a soft spot for people denying his existence. And clearly you haven't been keeping up with the news for the past few years because gay rights is certain to have alot of Christians heated. If two guys want to get married, you get the pleasure of seeing "God hates Fags", or "You'll all burn in hell". That's not kindness or forgiveness. Its straight bitterness. And he doesn't actually support science, you're supposed to learn everything through him and his power. Remember the Tower of Babel, when everyone united to build a tower to heaven? Yeah, he didn't like their scientific reasoning and scattered the language, so we have him to thank for not being able to truly unite. The Bible is a big book about separation; righteous are above and purer than the "wicked" non believers.
there is one God who give us some laws . laws of christians ,jews or muslims can never be contradictory to each other.each time God wanted to teach his people somegood virtues of bravery,forgivness or wisdom.law makers can wisely decide which thing is better.which thing is required by their people. people who do not believe in God can never have any laws because concept of good and wrong things is associated with religious people. religious people think God will be angry with them if they do something wrong.
People who don't believe in God also have their own laws. Do you really think all the politicians in Washington actively follow a religion? Laws are governed by a sense of morality. For instance: back in times before the late 1900's, segregation, discrimination, slavery, racism, prejudice, etc. was accepted, even though that today it would be considered wrong. Even in the Bible, slavery was embraced and taught. And there is not just one "God" who gives us laws; in every country, whether developed or under-developed, has modeled their political system after a regional religion. Obviously, you have no idea what you're talking about, and lack the understand of what this debate is about. Please do some background information before you post something else, because it just results in wasting other people's time trying to educate you and correct you.
Depends on the laws they pass. Will they legalize drugs, lower taxes, end the wars, and eliminate business regulations? Then that means they will actually increase freedom.
Although, if they ban gay marriage and condoms, they've decreased freedom.
Religion and government were practically "joined" when this country was founded, and it's a big part of the reason why America became so strong. Our founding fathers had values, but nobody seems to care about those anymore.
