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If suffering is not bad, then why is hell symbolised by it?

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There are only two reasons that people go to Hell.

1. People have done an incredible amount of evil in this life.

2. People that have died who chose they don't want anything to do with God, and so God grants them an eternity without Him because they chose not to follow Him. Plain and simple.

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Cartman(18192) Disputed
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It doesn't bother you that the same fate occurs for someone who committed an incredible amount of evil as someone who just didn't believe in God?

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dadman(1701) Disputed
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Whether you weigh 110 lbs or 240 lbs ..

the result is the same after you've jumped from an airplane at 1000 feet w/out a parachute and splatting on the concrete ... the wages of sin is death ... how far and wide your splat extended is really beside the point

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Jaywoosh(69) Disputed
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No, it doesn't bother me because hell is place where evil people go, and those who chose to be separate from him.

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NowASaint(1389) Disputed Banned
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There are differing degrees of punishment in Hell. You are teaching people to hate God, so as a teacher you will receive an extra degree of punishment above a person who hates God but does not actively try to convince others that they should hate God....but Hell is still Hell, it's no place for people to be but that they chose anything except to be in God's presence and if that means they fry like eternal sausages in Hell, they are okay with that until they get into the fire and it's too late to seek God's mercy.

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Not believing in god means you choose not to repent for your bad deeds and are choosing hell. even if you were a horrible person, "the heavens will rejoice more if 1 sinner repents than if 99 righteous people repent"

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JatinNagpal(2678) Clarified
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So, not choosing to worship = eternal torture?

Doesn't seem plain and simple to me.

Even though, well, that's completely unrelated to why hell includes suffering.

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Jaywoosh(69) Clarified
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It's more than choosing not to worship. It's also not doing His will and following His teachings.

It's plain and simple because God respects our free will and He knows that there are people who don't want to believe.

Hell has suffering because it's punishing the evil, and those who chose to be separate from him.

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NowASaint(1389) Clarified Banned
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It's not "choosing not to worship", it's choosing to be an unrepentant sinner. You choice leaves you nowhere to go but into the fire of Hell.

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NowASaint(1389) Clarified Banned
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The only reason it seems complicated to you is because you are complicating yourself by trying prove you are as good as God and have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner. It seems complicated to you because you are confused and in your confusion you are proud, defiant toward God and losing your argument against Him as no argument against God can stand.

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you should repent and worship him. what else would you worship, explosions?#atheistsarestupid

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NowASaint(1389) Disputed Banned
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People go to Hell because they are sinners who in their pride will not seek God's mercy. It is not because they have done more evil than you or me. It is because they sinned against God and are not worthy to be in His presence.

Hell is symbolized by fire, which is more than a symbol; it's hot burning frying people like eternal sausages.

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Cartman(18192) Disputed
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No, people go to Hell for not finding God's mercy, not for not looking for it. God doesn't show His mercy in reality, and people who realize this don't find His mercy even when they look for it.

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Jaywoosh(69) Disputed
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Yeah, but doing evil is being sinful and going against what God's will is. Basically, God is punishing evil.

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Who said suffering isn't bad? I mean I've heard the phrase "a little bit of suffering isn't bad" but that's not saying it isn't bad, period. Honestly I don't really agree with the saying either, I think it is bad, but in a weird way a little bit also helps you remember the good. When you take something for granted and it's taken away from you, you appreciate what you had.

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NowASaint(1389) Disputed Banned
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If a person honesty seeks God's mercy they will find it. Most will not honestly seek God's mercy because they do not want to admit their complete lack of righteousness and their total depravity and being void of anything worthy of God's favor. Most people will not concede that they deserve to burn in Hell and they will never agree with God and they will never receive His forgiveness which He offers through faith in the blood of His Son who paid their price on the cross.

You are one of those people who will never know God's mercy, aren't you?

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Mint_tea(4382) Disputed
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I've told you before, my relationship with God is deeply personal. But hey, since you actually spoke to me I will use the opportunity to address some issues you raised in your last post.

Your relationship with God is fine with you, or fine with Him? How do you know it's not just wishful thinking?

How do you know God exists? Do you not feel it? You simply know, be it through experience or feeling and it doesn't matter who says what, in your heart you know the truth.

No I am not your judge, but I can judge the difference between truth and lies when I know the truth.

I'm going to try to say this without offending.....you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the backside. You have judged and condemned me, you have spouted lies about other beliefs and tried to convince yourself that a person is guilty through association. But having friends who are witches isn't the same as being a witch, and though I am proud to have them as friends I am not Pagan.

It may take some digging to get to the bottom of the lies so they can be exposed, but I stand on truth and you believe lies which suit your own feelings.

You stand on either untruths or outright lies. I don't know if your ignorance is intentional or innocent but I lean towards malicious when you gleefully condemn people, all people, who don't agree 100% with you.

How were you saved, and how do you know you are saved?

Again. Falls under the -you do not need to know- portion. Also, I firmly believe that I could tell you I had tea with Jesus while relaxing on the waters of the Dead Sea, and you still wouldn't believe me because I don't fit your own definition of what a Christian should be. There is nothing I could say that would convince you that you are wrong but that's ok. You are entitled to your own opinion; you don't have to believe me just like I don't have to waste my time trying to convince you.

Anyhoo, sorry to the original creator of this debate, I went a little off topic.

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If you are righteous then don't repent. we are all sinners, so we should repent to save ourselves.

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gods mercy is good repent to have it. arent you a saint? #sheepofthelord

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yes agreed. repenting saves us. we still suffer, that teaches us and will make us better. suffering is a lesson, and atheists can't learn.

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Suffering is not bad it is the platform of the Progressive Left. The victim card is all they know.

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Suffering for me is always bad :) Hell is a ridiculous notion used to terrify the indoctrinated sheep that follow religions .

The Christian god as portrayed by religions is a divine dictator who demands humans use the brain he gave them , yet any rational thinker would dismiss the idea of a creator god because such a god who believers claim exists fullfills none of the criteria of existent things as in cannot be seen , heard or touched , yet exists .

For daring to use our mids rationally and dismissing supernatural entities as nonsense this merciful God would consign atheists to hell fire ...... luckily it's just a tall tale used to terrify the flock who in fairness are merely victims of indoctrination .

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Yeah. Everyone already knows that the truth is only a teapot, yet some people go overkill with religions.

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Yeah , they certainly beat religion into us over here when I was a child in holy catholic Ireland

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NowASaint(1389) Clarified Banned
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who cares, Dermit. If you want proof that Hell is for sinners, why not just curse God and die? Oh yeah, I forgot, that's what you are doing all the time. Your proof is coming. Enjoy. God loves you.

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Dermot(5796) Disputed
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Nonsense ;you have an uncanny knack for talking abosolute bollocks and incidentally most other religions believe you are gonna roast ; how will you explain to their god you fucked up ... their gods love you repent before it's too late ....

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If your that dumb then don't mind going to hell. At least I am not a "goat", which gets sent to hell. sheep are followers of god, and goats are idiots like you.

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Dermot(5796) Disputed
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No I'm not like you a brain fucked product of indoctrination who lets others think for him , goats get sent to hell .... oookay ....

You do know there is no hell its all in your fucked up skull :)

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Dermot(5796) Disputed
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No I'm not like you a brain fucked product of indoctrination who lets others think for him , goats get sent to hell .... oookay ....

You do know there is no hell its all in your fucked up skull :)

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repent for no suffering. it is bad, so dont go to hell. it is eternal suffering. #sheepofthelord

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Ooh, checkmate, my friend. Suffering is a living rights violation...............................

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NowASaint(1389) Clarified Banned
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Suffering is because God gives us time in His mercy that we do not deserve. He allowed time for man to continue in sin outside of Hell after man fell into sin in Adam because He had a plan for you personally to be here. If God had imposed final execution on Adam the day he sinned, instead of keeping Adam in death with suffering on Earth, you would not be here and God would not get what He intended to have from the beginning, a people for Himself to enjoy, a people who will love and honor Him gladly and freely as they are given by Him all things that pertain to life.

Declaring "checkmate" against God is foolishness. You can't win against God. You're letting the devil push your buttons keeping you angry at God, you have to forgive and more than that, thank God for creating you and give Him the honor He deserves for giving you life.

Now if you are going to fight against the truth, I'll just let you fight it out with the devil against God and you can see for yourself who wins.

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Don't worry about that.

Any rational God won't want to punish us for whatever we do.

I guess Hindu God is more rational than yours. He doesn't give eternal punishments.

Now, if you can't be rational and just want try those attempts at shaming, well, the irrational debates where you have the power would be the best spot.

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with gods mercy there is no eternal suffering. so repent and have his mercy. #savedbythelord

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Sitar(3682) Clarified
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There is nothing kind about suffering. If you can't trust God to protect you, how can you trust Him at all? I think we do deserve God's mercy. Would you not condemn anyone guilty of torturing people over a wounded ego?

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Atrag(5550) Disputed
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What do you think is a "living rights violation"? What does it mean? It is just another that is unpleasant?

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JatinNagpal(2678) Clarified
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It's probably a play on words.

living rights violation

Where the topic is about hell, which is a destination for afterlife. Or, at least, thought to be.

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Sitar(3682) Clarified
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A living right is a right that every living creature possesses, be they human, or otherwise. Such rights include the right to live, receive healthcare, not be tortured, die with dignity, and so on.

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Hell is plotted by superiors for their own usage and innocents follow it blindly out of fear.

If poor are to suffer, they are said "Pain will take them closer to God and it is not bad". If rich are to suffer, they are given medication!

It is an intelligent game.

Hell is a weapon against the innocents by the wicked ones to have their ideas work!

After suffering, one might become stronger and wiser. But what is the use if you become strong and wise after losing your loved ones? Suffering is definitely bad.

And we must help those in pain and suffering.

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Or, you can take some other ground that I'll be targeting soon.

I hope someone actually gets able to think about the indoctrination done to them with these.

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Hell is a Judeo Christian invention which they defined as suffering for eternity. When you define something you have the prerogative make it anything you want it to be. Define Gary Indiana as suffering and then you can turn around and say "if suffering is not bad, then why is Gary Indiana symbolised by it?"

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JatinNagpal(2678) Clarified
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You probably have problem with this unstated sentence :

Hell is clearly bad and is meant as a punishment.

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Grenache(6103) Disputed
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By definition. Hell could just as easily have been defined as just the place people who fall short of Heaven go to and wonder what they missed. It does not intrinsically have to have horrendous physical torment.

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NowASaint(1389) Disputed Banned
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If a person honesty seeks God's mercy they will find it. Most will not honestly seek God's mercy because they do not want to admit their complete lack of righteousness and their total depravity and being void of anything worthy of God's favor. Most people will not concede that they deserve to burn in Hell and they will never agree with God and they will never receive His forgiveness which He offers through faith in the blood of His Son who paid their price on the cross.

You are one of those people who will never know God's mercy, aren't you?

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NowASaint(1389) Disputed Banned
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Hell is a place created by God for the devil and his angels. It is the only place God has for unrepentant sinners, it is not designed for people but there is no other place for people who will not seek God's mercy and believe He provided for that mercy by executing justice against sin on Himself as the Son of God who conquered death to deliver from death and save from Hell all who will believe on Him and put their trust in Him and receive Him by faith as their Savior.

Obviously you will not repent of your sin, you will not seek God's mercy, you will not believe on His Son, you will end up in Hell. I hope you prove me wrong on that but you are only proving me right so far. As for your stupid judges you feel would give you the prize for winning the argument, can they keep you out of Hell?

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Grenache(6103) Disputed
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Once again, whomever writes the mythology can make it say whatever they want it to say.

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NowASaint(1389) Disputed Banned
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If a person honesty seeks God's mercy they will find it. Most will not honestly seek God's mercy because they do not want to admit their complete lack of righteousness and their total depravity and being void of anything worthy of God's favor. Most people will not concede that they deserve to burn in Hell and they will never agree with God and they will never receive His forgiveness which He offers through faith in the blood of His Son who paid their price on the cross.

You are one of those people who will never know God's mercy, aren't you?

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ok you have it your way. what will you get out of choosing to not believe in something that will save you. #atheistsarestupid

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I fear Trump and Putin FAR more than I fear hell. Reality is NOW, hell has never been.

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NowASaint(1389) Disputed Banned
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The fact that you have never been in Hell does not mean you have the right to exist outside of it. The fact that you have not been frying like an eternal sausage in the fire of Hell does not mean you are exempt from it. The fact (your claim, anyways, I don't believe you at all, I think you are just fooling yourself and pretending to be brave...a proud and brave fool)......the fact that you claim to not fear Hell will not make you feel better when you are falling into it. Just because you have one foot in the grave and one foot on thin ice does not mean the fire of Hell is not melting the ice as the flames hunger to devour you.

Don't be afraid.

Be brave.

Be proud.

Be a fool.

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NowASaint(1389) Disputed Banned
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If a person honesty seeks God's mercy they will find it. Most will not honestly seek God's mercy because they do not want to admit their complete lack of righteousness and their total depravity and being void of anything worthy of God's favor. Most people will not concede that they deserve to burn in Hell and they will never agree with God and they will never receive His forgiveness which He offers through faith in the blood of His Son who paid their price on the cross.

You are one of those people who will never know God's mercy, aren't you?

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AlofRI(3177) Clarified
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A trial just ended. A trial about several people, in a church, "seeking Gods mercy". What they GOT, I wouldn't call "mercy", wouldn't call "Gods favor", not by a DAMN site, "His forgiveness"! If it was caused by police negligence, we would be ALL OVER THEM! If you were right about this entity, it would be guilty of gross negligence, to allow that to happen "in HIS house", with all the "power" you think he has!

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is NOT omnipotent."

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Stop applying logic to the Bible

It's like applying blood to an open wound hoping that you somehow will stop it losing blood.

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