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If the Bible is true

Then the universe is only six thousand years old, dinosaurs never existed, the world is flat and the earth is in the center of the universe, the Sun goes around the earth, demons, invisible spirits, ghosts, holy ghosts, demons, angels, snakes, bushes, and donkeys, can talk, virgin birth is possible, god and jesus live in the clouds above, prayer has secret powers over this god, miracles and blessing do occur, invisible souls can either be saved or unsaved, depending on what a person decides to believe in their heart, the heart is the center of all thought and emotion, people can talk to god and jesus with their heart, there is no such thing as a brain, people can be raised from the dead, people can walk on water, water can be turned into wine, 5000 people can easily be fed with two loaves and two fishes, only invisible jesus can save invisible souls, diseases are caused by demons, science is of the devil, a person can live in the belly of a whale for three days and nights, a whales'stomach acid has no effect upon humans.

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3 points

dinosaurs never existed,

The Bible does not deny the existence of dinosaurs. If anything it advocates the existence of them.

the world is flat

Theologians did not believe the earth to be flat

and the earth is in the center of the universe, the Sun goes around the earth,

The only basis for this is when the Bible says that the earth is immovable. It is taken out of context if one suggests this.

virgin birth is possible,

I don't see why people complain about this. 1) God can do whatever He wants. He created the laws of nature and He can break the laws of nature. 2) Evolution advocates the exact opposite, which is a scientific theory.

god and jesus live in the clouds above,

Omnipresence.

prayer has secret powers over this god,

No, they do not.

miracles and blessing do occur,

What about it?

invisible souls can either be saved or unsaved, depending on what a person decides to believe in their heart, the heart is the center of all thought and emotion, people can talk to god and jesus with their heart, there is no such thing as a brain,

What? "Heart" is the concept of the inner emotions and self. Soul is the life force within. The bible does not disavow the brain.

people can be raised from the dead, people can walk on water, water can be turned into wine, 5000 people can easily be fed with two loaves and two fishes,

Yet again, God can do what He pleases.

diseases are caused by demons,

This is of debate within theological communities.

science is of the devil,

Who says that? Science advocates the Bible.

a person can live in the belly of a whale for three days and nights, a whales' stomach acid has no effect upon humans.

The Bible does not disavow the effect acid has on humans.

Dremorius(861) Disputed
2 points

The Bible does not deny the existence of dinosaurs. If anything it advocates the existence of them.

Carbon dating shows that dinosaurs existed a long time ago, much further than the limit of '6000' years your bible presents.

Theologians did not believe the earth to be flat

"It is he [God] that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers…"

(Isaiah 40:22).

A circle. Not a sphere. A circle is a 2D shape.

The only basis for this is when the Bible says that the earth is immovable. It is taken out of context if one suggests this.

It wouldn't be taken out of context if it describes the Earth as non-moving, while the sun and moon still move around it.

Btw the Earth moves 108,000 km an hour, and if we were to all jump in the same place and at the same time, it would knock the Earth out of it's elliptical orbit by a tiny inch, but return soon after.

I don't see why people complain about this. 1) God can do whatever He wants. He created the laws of nature and He can break the laws of nature. 2) Evolution advocates the exact opposite, which is a scientific theory.

If God doing whatever he wants includes Genocide, murdering children or letting children get tortured/raped/killed in his Churches, he's lost me.

Omnipresence.

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth dwelleth not in temples made with hands.

If he does not 'dwell' in a certain place, he is not omnipresent.

Also, if God was not present when Satan tempted Eve, the same applies; he is not omnipresent.

No, they do not.

Blatantly denying is not disputing.

What about it?

For some reason, God can only 'heal' people with diseases you cannot directly perceive. Such as amputees. Another problem I find with miracles is that he seems to like making statues cry blood (aka the liquid that transports oxygen and nutrients throughout the body) and place his image on pizzas and toast, but when hundreds of starving children in Africa die everyday, he seems to ignore them and spend his miracles on toast.

What? "Heart" is the concept of the inner emotions and self. Soul is the life force within. The bible does not disavow the brain.

Well the bible hardly mentions the brain at all. It seems to relate 'love' with a the heart, even though a heart just pumps blood around the body. The brain is the giver of consciousness and emotion, but they wouldn't call the brain a heart. They use the heart with an incorrect concept which just seems senseless, really.

Yet again, God can do what He pleases.

Yet again, children are starving everyday.

This is of debate within theological communities.

But it's what the bible says. Even though we already know what diseases look like, with their microbes under the microscope. We know how they work, and how they spread. They are basically tiny little lifeforms that want to survive. No demons included. The debates from theological communities are irrelevant if this is what it already says in the Bible.

Who says that? Science advocates the Bible.

By denying how the galaxy formed through the elements produced in the furnaces of stars and their super-novas making a chaotic jumble and mess of elements we see today in our Galaxy, and denying the fact that we were evolved lifeforms, with evidence on our bodies enough to confirm that. (eg, the remnant vertebrae on our coccyx that prove we used to have tails.)

The Bible does not disavow the effect acid has on humans.

You are merely denying, not providing evidence of any kind. It is impossible for a human being to survive that long without a suitable supply of oxygen, water and nutrients. The powerful enzymes in the whale's stomach would have already seriously dissolved the flesh of any man for that period of time. The reason they put that in the bible is beyond me, but since it is in the bible, you need to do a little more than to deny it.

Btw, you avoided/forgot to dispute a number of main points such as how the bible depicts the world to be 6000 years old, and how bushes, snakes and donkeys seem to be able to talk, without the suitable 'vocal parts' needed.

But seriously, this is sounding so much like a story book that it isn't funny.

Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
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what nothing about earth being 6000 years old ?

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I'm not denying that. .

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I don't see why people complain about this. 1) God can do whatever He wants. He created the laws of nature and He can break the laws of nature. 2) Evolution advocates the exact opposite, which is a scientific theory.

1. You make the presupposition that God exists already. First, establish that god exists, then we can assume that He can do whatever he pleases.

2. Last I checked, women were not capable of producing sperm to self fertilize.

Yet again, God can do what He pleases.

If we automatically assume he exists as described by Christians, then I suppose he could. But what christians have failed to demonstrate is that God exists.

This is of debate within theological communities.

Lol what? Why is this even up for debate? We already know what causes diseases, it is bacteria and viruses or deficiencies in our immune systems!

Who says that? Science advocates the Bible.

No it does not. Science refutes quite a lot of the bible. Let me correct you, what you meant to say was creationist pseudo science supports the bible. Real science does not.

lolzors93(3225) Disputed
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1. You make the presupposition that God exists already. First, establish that god exists, then we can assume that He can do whatever he pleases.... If we automatically assume he exists as described by Christians, then I suppose he could. But what christians have failed to demonstrate is that God exists.

The title of the debate is "If the bible is true," which indicates that if the Bible were true then the things they were complaining about would be possible because God would be real

2. Last I checked, women were not capable of producing sperm to self fertilize.

The first sexual reproducing organism came from an asexual reproducing organism according to evolution. Why is it illogical to assume that, if evolution is true and that something can randomly change from one reproduction system to another, a woman can become an asexual reproducing organism?

Lol what? Why is this even up for debate? We already know what causes diseases, it is bacteria and viruses or deficiencies in our immune systems!

The word "demon" in the New Testament, the ones that Jesus cast out, might have been simple illnesses and other like things. Kind of like someone saying, "This is my demon in life." Someone's troubles and shortcoming and illnesses and physical impairments.

No it does not. Science refutes quite a lot of the bible. Let me correct you, what you meant to say was creationist pseudo science supports the bible. Real science does not.

Science is "knowledge." It is not a process. The term science has evolved over time to make it only applicable to naturalistic possibilities. In that definition then, yes, you cannot know anything about God. However, this is not what science is. Science is truth, which most logically requires God to answer.

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But the Bible isn't true.

It's just primitive myths that don't describe reality. I pity people who think it's actually real.

2 points

And I pity the people that mindlessly down-vote arguments of truth, due to their own ignorance.

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thought it would make a fun debate topic .

The Bible was written by man, therefore, the Bible is prone to human error.

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Sounds pretty awesome to me... and it's not "If the Bible is true", because the Bible is true. Sadly though, life isn't completely like that. It would be really cool if we could walk on water, I plan on building my faith and accomplishing that in the future.