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Brilliant reasoning there. Exact opposites are really the same thing.
The far left= a classless, stateless and moneyless society where everyone has the same opportunities and rights and society is governed through methodology and democracy.
The far right = a stratified class based society where some are born into wealth and others are born into poverty, the government has total control, everything is based on social constructs rather than reason and merit is something that is inherited rather than earned.
Brilliant reasoning there. Exact opposites are really the same thing.
Except that there's no difference. You both hate Catholics and Jews and use violence on them.
The far left= a classless, stateless and moneyless society where everyone has the same opportunities and rights and society is governed through methodology and democracy.
You treat half of the West like nonequal, while pointing to their perceived flaws and ignoring the same perceived flaws in other groups.
The far right = a stratified class based society where some are born into wealth and others are born into poverty
That's called reality, and the left has more billionaires than the right.
The government has total control
The right wants less government control.
everything is based on social constructs
You just described left wing identity politics to a T.
rather than reason and merit is something that is inherited rather than earned.
Most rich people didn't start off rich, and most rich people are left of center.
Except he's just explained the difference to you meticulously, you fucking idiot shill. Here's another difference. People on the left don't open two hundred different user accounts for the purposes of spamming the internet with utter bullshit. Your theory that the people who vote for social equality are no better than Hitler is as fucking stupid as everything else you write, on every account you use to abuse this website.
that there's no difference. You both hate Catholics and Jews and use violence on them.
I didn't even mention that you idiotic cunt. Stop ignoring reality and responding to your own right wing thought bubble of propaganda. Socialists don't use violence on catholics and Jews, we just don't like their retarded beliefs.
That's the reality capitalism has constructed which prevents the vast majority of people from reaching their full potential while placing privileged prats who are not special on a pedestal because their daddy was rich.
and the left has more billionaires than the right.
Which leftists? You mean the ones that are capitalists and American Democrats?
There is no "potential" in a classless, moneyless society you god damned dumbass.
Yes there is, you can still do pretty much everything you could do before, only you won't be held back by socially fabricated boundaries or given a status beyond your true merit due to privilege.
Most rich people had no "privilege" that got them their wealth, and what you describe in nonsensical. Without money or class, "you can reach your full potential" is gibberish. Potential for what? Obeying the hive queen?
Most rich people had no "privilege" that got them their wealth
Then why are the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, and others still the wealthiest people on earth after 200 years of capitalism? Because it's barely better than Feudalism.
"Believe it or not, no matter how hard top billionaires like Carlos Slim, Warren Buffett and Bill Gates work, and no matter how much money they rake in, they will never be considered as equals by the old rich families that have been wealthy for centuries. These families view themselves as a class of their own, made up of only a few select few, and newcomers to the world of the rich are not allowed to barge in to their stratosphere.
Old rich families are those whose wealth have been merely inherited and passed down from generation to generation. They are not like the nouveau riche, whose wealth came fairly recently as a result of business and investment successes. Old rich families think of themselves as having ranks equivalent to those of European monarchy. They consider themselves as high society and quasi aristocratic, whose names alone are enough to conjure images of prestige and class."
Without money or class, "you can reach your full potential" is gibberish.
Imbecile. Would you rather have the freedom to do anything or live your life chasing after money?
Potential for what? Obeying the hive queen?
The presence of a hive queen implies class. Monarchy is objectively more similar to capitalism than socialism. In fact there was a time when monarchists were called conservatives and capitalists were considered radical leftists. "Conservative" just means you are in support of maintaining the status quo rather than progress.
Then why are the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, and others still the wealthiest people on earth after 200 years of capitalism?
Because some wealth is obtained by people who pass it down. If they went broke tomorrow, you wouldn't suddenly get richer.
A few isn't "most", and even if it were, you still live like a king because of the innovations of a bunch of fairly wealthy entrepeneurs who got rich through innovation.
Oprah and Michael Jordan are "feudal lords"? Jesus Fucking Christ.
No, they're a woman with stupid opinions and a guy who is good at putting a ball through a hoop. Capitalism rewards people like them more than it rewards people with smart opinions and who can do things which are more valuable than playing sports.
Darth Sidious is a fictional character roaming around in a fictional death star. He doesn't even exist.
That's not the point. It's the mega rich who are the real problem, and they are the ones who have been at the top of the pyramid for centuries. I used Sidious as an archetype of supreme evil.
Believe it or not, no matter how hard top billionaires like Carlos Slim, Warren Buffett and Bill Gates work, and no matter how much money they rake in, they will never be considered as equals by the old rich families that have been wealthy for centuries.
Why would I or Bill Gates give a fuck about their approval? What, are you 12?
These families view themselves as a class of their own, made up of only a few select few
Liberals view themselves as an elite class. So what? You want to take down Soros? Go ahead. Make my fucking day. Speaking of useless billionaires who didn't invent or innovate anything and see themselves as a demi god, and then passed down their wealth to their goblin son.
Why would I or Bill Gates give a fuck about their approval? What, are you 12?
Their approval is what allows people like Bill Gates to reach such high levels of wealth. The mega rich own the country and choose who they allow into the 1% and who gets shut down.
Liberals view themselves as an elite class.
I'm sure some do. I'm not a liberal though, I'm a far left socialist who is far beyond and an entirely different beast from what you commonly associate with "left wing" in America.
You want to take down Soros? Go ahead. Make my fucking day. Speaking of useless billionaires who didn't invent or innovate anything and see themselves as a demi god, and then passed down their wealth to their goblin son.
I agree. People like Soros are the scum that capitalism rewards.
Why would I or Bill Gates give a fuck about their approval? What, are you 12?
Their approval is what allows people like Bill Gates to reach such high levels of wealth.
So what? Without these innovators and money to cause them to innovate, there'd be no internet or modern conveniences.
The mega rich own the country and choose who they allow into the 1% and who gets shut down.
Then why do people from all over the country, of every race, and every economic class, keep inventing, and performing, and getting super rich?
Liberals view themselves as an elite class.
I'm sure some do. I'm not a liberal though, I'm a far left socialist who is far beyond and an entirely different beast from what you commonly associate with "left wing" in America.
We know about your brainless, brainwashed cult.
You want to take down Soros? Go ahead. Make my fucking day. Speaking of useless billionaires who didn't invent or innovate anything and see themselves as a demi god, and then passed down their wealth to their goblin son.
I agree. People like Soros are the scum that capitalism rewards.
And what you are leaving out is that without capital, the Marxists can't create their dream or end their opposition.
It's been that way for 10,000 years. If you destroyed their ability to make money, innovation would cease, and you'd be no richer. You'd probably be poorer because you couldn't find any more funds to take from them. This is what is meant by "at some point you run out of other peoples' money".
which prevents the vast majority of people from reaching their full potential
Back to the full potential, but you can't tell me, the potential for what. Wealth? Status? Pfffft.
while placing privileged prats who are not special on a pedestal because their daddy was rich.
Oprah Winfrey was born into poverty. She's the richest woman on Earth and has no children to pass it to. Mark Zuckerburg created facebook from his dorm room. Most mega rich people had to innovate or create something that society wanted or needed. They also had to have the ambition to pursue it. Without their innovations, you'd live in a third world shit box.
Is there any difference between the far left and the far right
Move to the far left, and you start hating Catholics and Jews just like the KKK. How interesting.
Hello A:
The extremes differ MAINLY between the people they HATE. You nailed the far left above. But, you neglected to mention the far right ALSO hates Catholics - if they're BROWN Catholics. That TOO is just like the KKK.
The extremes differ MAINLY between the people they HATE. You nailed the far left above. But, you neglected to mention the far right ALSO hates Catholics - if they're BROWN Catholics. That TOO is just like the KKK.
They both hate Catholics regardless of skin color. Democrats created the klan, then re-elected Robert Byrd from Klan days until 2010.
They both hate Catholics regardless of skin color.
Bronto, you say the most incredibly stupid things and then for some inexplicable reason expect to be treated like you haven't just made up your own facts. Ninety seven percent of Catholics voted for either Clinton or Trump in 2016.
Ninety seven percent of Catholics voted for either Clinton or Trump in 2016.
Because the 2 candidates for President were Clinton and Trump. Most of those same Catholics voted for Obama.
Shut up. You're literally a fucking moron.
How is being jobless and playing Skyrim all day working out for you? Not very good? Who could have guessed that?
Your statement also has absolutely dick to do with anything Caspion said. Catholics voting has nothing to do with Catholics being targeted by extremists.
STUPOR STUPID is tooooooooo IGNORANT to understand what CUMS out of it's LYING MOUTH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's reference to the KKK shows how stupid the TROLL is and what it does not know about HISTORY ! But we cannot blame the BOY for it's IGNORANCE because IGNORANCE is all IT knows !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, because both parties have their issues, and are ruining this country........................................................................................................................
If we use Stalin and Hitler as examples of the political extreme left and extreme right respectively then the common denominator is repression of whole populations and 10s of millions of corpses.
The two opposing ideologies do of course follow different doctrines but the net result of massacre, torture and wrongful imprisonment of innocents along with population subjugation is the inevitable upshot of both forms of political fanaticism.
If we use Stalin and Hitler as examples of the political extreme left and extreme right respectively then
Then you'd be a retard without any idea what you were talking about. Stalin was a right wing dictator who saw an opportunity to seize power for himself and took it. The entire fucking premise of left wing politics is the dissolution of leadership and hierarchy, so stop mislabelling far right ideas such as fascist dictatorship as belonging to the left. Reading your misinformation is annoying as fuck, especially given that this is the third different account you have thus far used to comment in your own debate.
Stalin was a right wing dictator who saw an opportunity to seize power for himself and took it.
He was a Marxist you fucking dumbass.
Initially presiding over an oligarchic one-party system that governed by plurality, he became the de facto dictator of the Soviet state by the 1930s while holding the posts of General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (1922–1952) and Premier (1941–1953). A communist ideologically committed to the Leninist interpretation of Marxism, Stalin helped to formalise these ideas as Marxism–Leninism, while his own policies became known as Stalinism.
The entire fucking premise of left wing politics is the dissolution of leadership and hierarchy, so stop mislabelling far right ideas such as fascist dictatorship as belonging to the left
Basically all of these little dictators in third world countries are socialists, that not excluding China and Russia. Name us any country run by Marxists that isn't a dictatorship.
You're hilarious. You literally don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. Stalin did the precise and literal opposite to everything Marx wrote needed to be done in order to eradicate hierarchy and oppression. On the one hand, you insist Stalin was a communist because you want to create the impression that communism is terrible, while on the other you are literally rejecting everything except the word of Stalin about what is true. You did exactly the same thing with Hitler. Completely fucking ignored every historical scholar and political analyst who has ever researched Hitler's actual politics, and instead took Hitler's word for it when he claimed to be a socialist, even though you know full well that he was lying.
The fact of the matter is that you're a joke. You are a deranged, disingenuous dunce who lies every time he opens his fat idiot mouth.
You're a rather uneducated dumbass aren't you nom?
STALIN:
As we know, the goal of every struggle is victory. But if the proletariat is to achieve victory, all the workers, irrespective of nationality, must be united. Clearly, the demolition of national barriers and close unity between the Russian, Georgian, Armenian, Polish, Jewish and other proletarians is a necessary condition for the victory of the proletariat of all Russia.
from "The Social-Democratic View of the National Question", 1904 (aged 26)
It is impossible to finish off capitalism without having finished off social democracy in the working-class movement.
What would happen if capital succeeded in smashing the Republic of Soviets? There would set in an era of the blackest reaction in all the capitalist and colonial countries, the working class and the oppressed peoples would be seized by the throat, the positions of international communism would be lost.
Speech at The Seventh Enlarged Plenum of the E.C.C.I. (December 1926)
Far Left: A lot of government control (we are robots of the government)
Far Right: eventually CORPORATIONS have monopoly control (we are Slaves of the corporations)
Nah- not much freedom either way
When will people realize that the sweet spot is in the middle (free market with some social programs (I get shot down bc of Holocaust- but Hitler /national socialism was a true middle ground- don’t worry we don’t have to create genocide to learn economics
Far Left: A lot of government control (we are robots of the government)
This is actually the exact opposite of the truth. If you know what the left/right paradigm actually is in it's true historical context then you know that the right is about preserving hierarchies and traditional values and the left is about social equality and challenging traditional values. The true implication of an extreme left wing system is that there is no class or systemic hierarchies built into society and therefor the very existence of a government or institutionalized authority is incompatible with the far left. The left/right dynamic was first conceived of during the french revolution, "conservatives" were those who defended the aristocracy/monarchy and "liberals" were those who sought to decentralize power.
Far Right: eventually CORPORATIONS have monopoly control (we are Slaves of the corporations)
Capitalism is actually the part of the right side of the spectrum that is closest to center. During the french revolution, "classical liberals" (who are considered conservatives by today's standards) were actually considered radical left wingers back when monarchy was the status quo. In reality if you look at the far right, what you will see is fascism. Essentially the key defining difference between the left and the right is that the left promotes equality and the right promotes stratification on a class basis.
When will people realize that the sweet spot is in the middle
There is no sweet spot. We will always have to change and adapt and grow as a species, left wingers are often called "progressives" for a reason.
free market
There is no such thing as a free market. The freer the market, the freer a small minority of people are to buy up all the important land and resources which reduces economic freedom and mobility for everyone else to zero eventually.
with some social programs
Social programs are not inherently left wing. Social programs such as the "steal tax money from the poor to bail out rich investors" program is very right wing. Social programs such as the "divide everyone into classes based on race and have the government provide special programs for aryans while murdering everyone else program" are very right wing.
I get shot down bc of Holocaust- but Hitler /national socialism was a true middle ground-
National socialism is a lie, Hitler was a fascist who hijacked a left leaning worker's party and ran on a platform with which he attempted to appeal to both the left and the right and then proceeded to murder all the true leftists who opposed him once he got into power. Then he started dividing people into classes based on race and implementing a totalitarian regime which provided for Aryans and shit on everyone else, just as capitalism gives special treatment to the wealthy and shits on the poor as if it's designed to keep them down.
So are you supporting revoking individual ownership of land/property as the communists?
I disagree with you on free market- free market with TRUE competition will naturally control price and monopoly. I do agree that currently there exists “corporate welfare “ like tax payers bailout of banks etc. that’s NOT Freemarket
So are you supporting revoking individual ownership of land/property as the communists?
Yes. It is important to understand that one cannot own anything. The concept of ownership is a social construct, believing that you "own" something is a superstitious belief. In a truly advanced civilization people will outgrow resorting to socially fabricated fictitious thoughtforms with no basis in objective reality just to co-exist with other humans.
free market with TRUE competition will naturally control price and monopoly.
You can also address that by not having a monetary system or private ownership.
Also a true free market would be anarcho-capitalism which leads to a vast number of problems.
1) The entire society would be based on a profit motive. Virtually nothing would be done that isn't motivated by personal profit. That means you can say bye bye to the environment among other things.
2) There would be nothing stopping monopolies from forming and thus the government would become whoever has the most money.
3) There would be no one to make sure the non-aggression principle and other such Anarcho-Capitalist bollocks is maintained because whoever has the most money would make the rules and do whatever they want.
4) There would be no law or police to defend and establish property rights and thus who owns what would be decided very often through the initiation of force.
5) The closest thing to police would be the armed thugs and extortionists working for the wealthy.
6) Eventually a super wealthy class would form and all the important land and resources would be owned by the one percent, thus the average person would have little to no economic freedom or property rights.
7) It would end up reverting back to croney capitalism and having a government and we'd be at square one.
They both hate and use violence on the exact same groups.
Oh for God's sake shut up you annoying little idiot. Everybody here knows you and the OP are both Bronto alt accounts and if you had half a goddamned brain cell rattling around anywhere in that empty skull of yours you'd stop replying to your own fucking idiotic smear campaign against the left. Fuck off, you irritating little no life.
