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Debate Score:76
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If you're an addict, is it because you're DUMB, or because you're ADDICTED?

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Side Score: 39
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Years ago the devastating effects of drugs were little known and many people perceived their use as a bit of harmless recreational fun.

However, as the life threatening/changing effects drugs have has been public knowledge for many decades it can be taken as read that those who start taking drugs are mindlessly reckless and totally devoid of any common sense and should therefore be left to wallow in the quagmire of of their self imposed mental and physical agony without pity or state assistance.

These weak minded lotus eaters should be left to perish just as mother nature's natural selection process intended.

Side: Dumb
seanB(959) Disputed
1 point

However, as the life threatening/changing effects drugs has been public knowledge for many decades it can be taken as read that those who start taking drugs are mindlessly reckless and totally devoid of any common sense and should therefore be left to wallow in the quagmire of of their self imposed mental and physical agony without pity or state assistance.

Not all drugs are life threatening or life changing. Plenty of illegal drugs have marginal risk of negative social, psychological and physical effects. For example, natural cannabis strains with low THC content and higher CBD content have been used as relaxation medicines for thousands of years in myriad cultures. Only since the development of high THC, purpose-bred strains has this plant become synonymous with psychosis.

Likewise, not all legal drugs are harmless. Tobacco and alcohol -- two drugs which we know are highly addictive and destructive -- are legal. Not everybody who has a drink and ends up with a drinking problem are "mindless and reckless". Many people only discover the depths of their addictive personality after they have naïvely partaken in a culture where binge-drinking is somewhat a rite of passage. Likewise, most smokers have parents for smokers: it is often learned behaviour.

I should also point out that a lot of people who get into drugs don't get into drugs because they are devoid of common sense or because they are mindless: it is often because of peer pressure in socioeconomically deprived areas of society, where drugs offer an easy escape from a myriad of problems that come hand-in-hand with impoverishment.

The criminalisation of drug possession and the various three strikes laws in the US also make it the case that a person who has a problem with illegal substances becomes a criminal instead of a person with a medical issue. We treat alcoholism as a medical problem; we treat a gambling addiction as a mental health issue: why not other drugs or forms of addiction?

These weak minded lotus eaters should be left to perish just as mother nature's natural selection process intended

Social darwinism is only one small step from eugenics, and it fails to account for the plethora of social factors that play into addiction. What you're essentially saying is "addictive personality is a genetic weakness and mother nature should weed these people out of the gene pool". Well actually, addiction generally has only a minor genetic component. There is a higher risk of addiction in some people because their neurochemical reward pathways are dulled; they require more stimulation to get the same satisfaction from reward as less addictive people. But that only explains risk. It doesn't factor in the various social experiences that have had a psychologically and neurologically negative impact serious enough to lead to said addiction.

A person can be at heightened risk of Crohn's disease but able to stymy its onset by making good diet choices, the same way a person can be at heightened risk of addiction but able to stymy its onset by making a choice to refrain from addictive substances. The issue is that by the time a potential addict finds out they are more likely to be addicted: it's already too late.

It should, therefore, be treated as a health issue if we really want to eliminate its destructive effects on society. We can't just leave people to descend into chaos and death because they happen to have neurological wiring that makes them more susceptible to addictive substances. It's like saying we should leave cancer patients to die because their genetics put them at significantly higher risk of cancer.

Utter bollox.

Side: Addicted
Cocopops(343) Disputed
1 point

It's a pity you don't agree with me, but I can't force you to be right.

I can only trust you will acquire some sense as you grow older and become more mature.

Side: Dumb
1 point

It depends. If you happen to be addicted due to a dumb doctor, that's one thing, then, there's just plain dumb …… :-P

Side: Dumb
outlaw60(15501) Disputed
1 point

Like here the PERVERT and it's side kick MINT want to blame DOCTORS for the illegal drugs that are crossing the OPEN BORDERS they approve of.

Side: Addicted
outlaw60(15501) Disputed
1 point

AL must believe that CRAZY BERNIE will not send patients to a DUMB DOCTOR !!!!!!!

AL what does the DUMB SON OF A BITCH known as CRAZY BERNIE know about HEALTHCARE ????????????????????????

Side: Addicted
outlaw60(15501) Disputed
1 point

You FACTLESS DUMMY who BLAME'S your WIFE for living in a PERVERTED STATE. Does she also need to be blamed for YOU not knowing the COST of CRAZY BERNIE'S INSANE health insurance costs ???????????

Side: Addicted
outlaw60(15501) Disputed
1 point

DUMB ASS where does the money come from for FREE HEALTHCARE ??????????????

Side: Addicted

Depends on the precise situation. If you're addicted, it could be because you were unaware that it was an addictive medication, but it could also be because you're stupid. So my answer is both.

If you are addicted and want to get better, go to a detox facility and stop supporting political positions that allow drugs to flow across the border.

Side: Dumb
Hootie(505) Disputed
1 point

Depends on the precise situation. If you're addicted, it could be because you were prescribed an addictive medication, but it could also be because you're stupid.

So, since they were never "prescribed addictive medications", we can thus infer that you believe Charles Dickens, Sigmund Freud, Vincent van Gogh, Ulysses S. Grant, Winston Churchill and Tchaikovsky were all stupid.

I have a counter theory. I think you are stupid.

Side: Addicted
1 point

Look up the world "could", and then ponder what the following means-

Bronto: "Depends on the precise situation. If you're addicted, it could be because you were unaware that it was an addictive medication."

Then come back with a full report once you have mastered the English language.

Side: Dumb
1 point

Sigmund Freud stupid

Well, if there really is a lexicon of 756 genders and infinite identities, his claim of us wanting to hump our mom's must be wrong, seeing my mother self identified as a cabbage, and I identify as a planetary system.

Ulysses S. Grant

No. I don't think a Christian, Conservative Republican trying to free slaves from Democrats is stupid.

Winston Churchill

You tell us Nom. By your standards he's be an Islamophobic Socialism hater like Donald Trump.

Tchaikovsky

Nah. A guy who intentionally left Communist Russia to live in the Capitalism driven West is not stupid.

Vincent van Gogh

Disturbed would be a better word, seeing he killed himself at a young age due to years of mental illness and poverty.

Charles Dickens

A lot of Christians are brilliant people, including him.

Side: Dumb
outlaw60(15501) Disputed
1 point

DUMMY Ulysses S. Grant has a role in the stupidity you typed ?????????????????????

Side: Dumb

As always, to excuse the truth of how irresponsible it is to become addicted to anything, Liberals try to equate those who get addicted on medicine, with the dead beats we are talking about.

Liberals REFUSE to hold people accountable for their mindlessly stupid choices in life, so they blame Doctors. ROFLOL

Who doesn't know some people get addicted to pain killers?

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Dumb
1 point

SUPER STUPID what you got to say about the drug addition in SEATTLE ??????

Speak up you IGNORANT BASTARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.city-journal.org/seattle-homelessness

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/homeless/are-most-homeless-people-living-outside-because-of-drug-abuse/

https://www.kuow.org/stories/q-where-do-the-drugs-that-contribute-to- homelessness-come-from

SUPER STUPID you should address the problems your STATE has and ask this question that you typed - If you're an addict, is it because you're DUMB, or because you're ADDICTED?

What you got to say LITTLE BASEMENT BOY ?????????????

Side: Addicted
0 points

It depends on the reason you became an addict. Becoming addicted to pain medicine prescribed by a doctor trying to help versus just wanting to try cocaine, are two different scenario's.

Side: Addicted
excon(13709) Clarified
1 point

just wanting to try cocaine,

Hello Mint:

You don't become addicted for trying it.. It's NOT like one hit, and you're hooked..

Of course, I'm including tobacco too.. That's one of the most serious of addictions.. It's the hardest to break, and it WILL kill you..

excon

Side: Dumb
Amarel(4984) Clarified
2 points

You don't become addicted for trying it.. It's NOT like one hit, and you're hooked..

So you have to be dumb a few times over.

I'm including tobacco too.. That's one of the most serious of addictions..

Because it’s so unhealthy.

It's the hardest to break

Because it’s behind every counter. Let’s not pretend nicotine is on par with heroin.

and it WILL kill you

When you’re old. Because it’s a bad health choice.

No one is going to tail spin in a downward spiral of cigarette and dip use that they spent every last dime on and took out loans from sharks just to get their fix which they accidentally overdose on only to be found by their 8 year old.

Side: Dumb
outlaw60(15501) Disputed
1 point

You Precious Jewel of Misinformation fed to you by MSM !!!!!!!

Doctors should be blamed for illegal drug addiction in the United States of America ???????

Side: Dumb