#1 |
#2 |
#3 |
Paste this URL into an email or IM: |
Click here to send this debate via your default email application.
|
Click here to login and CreateDebate will send an email for you.
|
If you say that evolution is a hoax, did you learn that in school, or church???
There's really nothing to add, here..
excon
Church
Side Score: 134
|
School
Side Score: 63
|
|
1
point
Here Ex. Listen to an Atheist biologist tell you about "evolution". Side: Church
check out my debte http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Side: Church
1
point
Here, every 8th grader is expected to know about evolution, and 3 alternate theories for origin of life (God put it, aliens put it, and something similarly boring - luckily, they aren't much heavier than that in syllabus...). Anyone who denies it is too unworthy for the truth... I wish I had such a convenient people at my disposal. You've no idea what many could give for it. Side: Church
3
points
1
point
|
4
points
3
points
It's like this Ex. I've seen every Richard Dawkins and Phil Gingrich video there is. One is a paleantologist and one is a biologist. Gingrich uses the words 'this characteristic was assumed' so many times in his demonstrations that it becomes hilarious. And with Dawkins, why does a biologist need to bring up God in every speech about biology? Because he's a dogmatic hack. You are a part of a religion and don't even know it. Side: School
1
point
Hello again, bront: Evolution is like cement.. It just IS. Therefore, I'm not interested in discussing whether cement is real, and I'm similarly not interested in discussing whether evolution is real. I'm interested in videos ABOUT evolution - NOT whether it's real. excon Side: Church
2
points
Not actually. Variation within species is real and has nothing to do with Darwinism. Darwinism is a myth never witnessed by human eyes. You having a child who is shorter than you is not Darwinism. You having a child with wings who begats offspring with wings is Darwinism. You never see species change kind. Bacteria are always bacteria. They've tried to replicate Darwinism in the lab. Never happens. It's a fairytalebased on faith, based on the things that are unseen. Side: School
2
points
There's a reason that militant atheist biologist, Richard Dawkins was forced to say "we don't need the fossil record". Because it doesn't match the theory in any way, shape or form. Now he's onto a theory of aliens seeding dna on the Earth. Google it. No? I didn't think so. There are actual atheist and agnostic biologists who say the theory is crap. Ask for links. Side: School
3
points
1
point
I think you are barking up an incorrect tree because I'm not religious. I believe in God, but not any particular version. Science has proven some type of creator through String Theory. I don't believe in Darwinism because it's a pre assumed position. That's poor science. You don't assume what the outcomes must lead to. You go where the evidence leads, and the evidence leads us to James Gates. Side: School
1
point
3
points
1
point
What are you talking about? Saint, you seem unhinged.... What exactly do you consider a Christian? A mass murderer of Christians, someone who tempted Christ per the devil, a prostitute, a guy who cuts ears off and denies Christ 3 times, and a group of guys arguing about who is the greatest in Heaven? Or were you looking for the Pharisees to show you the way? Get out of here with the Legalism herasy. No one could meet your version of salvation. That's why Paul told you to avoid it at all costs. What you are preaching is called self righteousness, one of the biggest no no's of all in the Bible. http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/ Side: Church
3
points
1
point
Everyone is "evil". If you claim you aren't, you have committed the greatest sin of all. You have deemed the words of the Bible to be a lie. The serpent is twisting his tail around your head. Not really sure which Bible you are reading. http://biblehub.com/romans/3-10.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/3-11.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/3-12.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/3-13.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/3-14.htm ----- http://biblehub.com/romans/3-20.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/3-21.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/3-22.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/3-23.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/3-24.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/3-25.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/3-26.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/3-27.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/3-28.htm ----- http://biblehub.com/romans/4-2.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/4-3.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/4-4.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/4-5.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/4-6.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/4-7.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/4-8.htm http://biblehub.com/romans/4-9.htm ----- http://biblehub.com/romans/4-13.htm Side: Church
1
point
1
point
1
point
I can give you hundreds of verses and examples that kill your claim. Are you fighting the Bible's teachings again? The Pharisees were just as convinced of legalism as you are. They went to Hell and were called the "children of the devil" by Christ. Are you begging for a one on one debate over legalism vs grace? You talk a big show, but can you back the goodies? Side: Church
1
point
Galatians 2:20-21 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing. Side: Church
1
point
Romans 3:25-28 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. Side: Church
1
point
I have debated many people like you who are heretics in the grace heresy...the devil completely blinds you to the plain call of God for His people to be holy. You don't even know what the grace heresy is, that's how blinded by it you are........it's a doctrine of demons used to keep you sounding like tinkling brass; ineffective in spreading the gospel Side: Church
1
point
1
point
Is that what you would have said to Jesus when He preached on Hell, repeating His warning of it's danger and telling people repeatedly of their need to be sure they are not going to end up where the worm never dies and the fire is never quenched and there will be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth? I guess you have not read the Bible enough to be familiar with how Jesus repeatedly and emphatically warned of the danger of Hell. Kiddo......how old are you? Side: Church
1
point
So are you ready for that debate? Grace vs your version yet? I'll give you a heads up. 1)I've had more debates on that one topic than you have total debates on this site. 2)I will copy and paste your old posts, disect them, and become hypothetical judge, jury, and executioner using your own claims to make that judgement. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
You're a buffoon tsk tsk Saint... 1 Corinthians 13:5-7 5 Love is not rude, is not selfish, and does not get upset with others. Love does not count up wrongs that have been done. 6 Love takes no pleasure in evil but rejoices over the truth. 7 Love patiently accepts all things. It always trusts, always hopes, and always endures. Side: Church
All you do with "dissecting" my posts is twist my words around, put words in my mouth, then argue against your own saying, creating your own straw man and arguing against your own words. You ignore the Bible, you won't listen........ There is no need to debate the truth. The truth stands without argument. Side: Church
You boast like a fool.....all you do when you argue against me is put words in my mouth and make accusations based on your own words...all you do is create a straw man to argue against, avoiding the Bible's teaching on holiness because you are in the grace heresy, you are a heretic. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
1
point
You know your repertoire of pet verses supporting your belief that God does not care if you are holy or not, but you don't know how often Jesus preached emphatically and repetitively on the dangers of Hell? That's what walking in the grace heresy does to a Christian, assuming you actually are saved which I can't help but doubt.....it causes people like you to have a skewed view of God and and imbalanced and uniformed concept of His word. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
1
point
1 Corinthians 13:5-7 5 Love is not rude, is not selfish, and does not get upset with others. Love does not count up wrongs that have been done. 6 Love takes no pleasure in evil but rejoices over the truth. 7 Love patiently accepts all things. It always trusts, always hopes, and always endures. Side: Church
Why do you act the same way atheists do when they argue against me, why do you quote the same Bible passages they quote to support your arguments? Why do you not see how worldly and unholy you are acting? And why do you completely ignore the Bible passages I presented showing clearly that God calls His people to be obedient to Him and to be holy? You have forfeited, go on calling me names...you have done exactly as I said you would do, acting and talking like an atheist, ignoring the passages I present.....you're really being childish and it's quite boring. Side: Church
1
point
Debating people like you is a waste of time, you are justifying yourself to be unholy and you won't listen. If you were going to listen, you would be reading it in your Bible and I would not have to point out the verses, passages, and doctrines to you. If I do point them out, you will brush them aside and fall back on calling me mindless names like "Pharisee" or "legalist" when your understanding of those terms has little to do with reality. You won't listen, you'll just make accusations and put words in my mouth and then argue against the words you put in my mouth. That is creating a straw man, and it's all your heartless unholy licentiousness can muster. Side: Church
1
point
Let's see you trash this: Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. 15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee. Side: Church
2
points
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world We try to, and then we trip and fall and sink in the water as Jesus pulls us up out of said water. Was Jesus' rescuing Peter an anomally or is that how Christ works when you fall short? The latter. Side: Church
Let's see you trash this: 2 Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: 4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) 5Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 6And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. Go ahead and trash that now. Side: Church
1
point
Okay. Said Christian got saved 3 hours ago, doesn't know the verses, has no knowledge other than heart knowledge, and 4 hours ago was doing drugs but gave them up. Sentence him or her, and forget completely that Christ didn't heal because of works, but because of faith, according to himself. What saved you? Your faith. What healed you? Your faith. It's easy to take a verse and ignore all others. You are quote mining. In other words you give selective verses that can be seen in a certain light without context and the full teaching. "He said to her, "Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering." Mark 5:34 http://biblehub.com/mark/5-34.htm Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace." Luke 7:50 "Then he said to him, "Rise and go; your faith has made you well." Luke 17:19 Side: School
1
point
What a legalist does is they take selective obscure verses to make a case. If you ask them about counter verses, they either ignore the verse completely or begin torturing what the meaning even means. Examples? "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9 "for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Romans 10:13 For your claim, you must push these verses to the side completely out of your narrative's way in order to push your argument forward. And the exact meaning of the verses I have provided is obvious, where your selection of verses takes a more in depth analysis. Point? We know exactly what my verses mean without guessing, debating, or disecting. Your verses need quite a bit of disecting, and you have made it fit into your narrative per your own definitions and exclusion of other verses that are direct and to the point and easily understood by even a child. So, what is legalism? Legalism is an attempt to gain favor with God or to impress our fellow man by doing certain things (or avoiding other things), without regard to the condition of our hearts before God. At the root of legalism is the sin of pride, because the legalist thinks that he is able to commend himself to God by his own good deeds. Invariably, he is only looking at externals, not at his heart. Also, the legalist’s pride motivates him to exalt himself in the sight of others by his outward behavior, again neglecting to see the corruption of his own heart. Thus legalism denies human depravity and exalts human ability. As such, it is opposed to the gospel of God’s grace. That’s why both Jesus and Paul clashed with the legalists. The best way to manifest the anger of Christ was to be self righteous. He intentionally did things to rouse the legalists like heal on the Sabbath, not have his followers wash hands, and hang out with sinners. ---"The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children." Matthew 11:19 ---"and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to bring charges against Jesus, they asked him, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?" He said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out?" How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath."Then he said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." So he stretched it out and it was completely restored, just as sound as the other." Matthew 12:10-13 --"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!" Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.' But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is 'devoted to God,' they are not to 'honor their father or mother' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:"'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.'" Matthew 15:2-9 Side: School
1
point
1
point
But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart." 1 Samuel 16:7 Proverbs 16:2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own sight, But the LORD weighs the motives. 1 Kings 8:39 then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men. Psalm 139:1 O LORD, You have searched me and known me. Side: Church
Trash this: Go on, trash it now 13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. 17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: Side: Church
2
points
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation Our parents gave us the same command, and we tried and failed. My parents didn't toss meaway. They disciplined me and tried to correct the error. We attempt full obedience, true, but as is exampled in your own dialogue on this site, even those who deem themselves "devout" engage in Biblically ungodly conversation. That's just reality in real life. You are not "holy" without Christ. You are unholy. You are commanded to be holy, but you aren't. I was commanded to be fully obedient to my parents and tried to be, but I wasn't always. The command still stood, my failure still stood, and grace stood in the end, otherwise they would have kicked me out and said good luck. Side: Church
2
points
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. And then we are told that "no man is good, no not even one". And we also see examples of unholy people recieving Christ's grace, from the adulterous woman, to the apostles, and even to the thief on the cross. Was the thief holy? Yeah right. He himself admitted he wasn't. Even Moses couldn't see God's face because Moses was not "holy". Yes we fall short of God's standards. Christ is referred to as "the holy one of Israel". Only He fulfilled this command. You and I will not meet this standard. We will try. We will fail. Grace has to come in, or we are both doomed. Side: Church
Now you are saying it's ok to be unholy? Show me one place in the Bible where it says it's okay to be unholy? See? That is the grace heresy. Moses was not holy? You're joking, right? Do you think anybody in the Bible was holy, other than the Lord Jesus Christ? Yes or no. Answer this: Do you think anybody in the Bible was holy other than Jesus Christ Himself? Comeon........answer yes or no Side: Church
Titus 2: 11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. It is the grace of God which allows sinners to exist in this world outside of Hell, it has appeared to all men, and some by it have been saved through faith. For those who are saved, the grace of God teaches " that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;" If you are not obeying God to live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world, you are not being holy, you are being worldly and ungodly and your fag faced dinosaur costume shows it. You might be saved, I really can't tell when you so adamantly make excuses for sin by saying "I can't be holy, I'm a sinner and God's grace makes it okay for me to be unholy". Your teaching is completely contrary to the Bible due to the fact that it ignores the Bible doctrine of holiness. 3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. 12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees; 13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed. 14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: From Luke Chapter 1: 73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, 74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, 75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life. If you say you can't be holy, you are making excuses for sin. God wants you to be holy, if you are not being holy you need to confess it as sin and start being holy. Side: Church
5
points
13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ Having to be "holy" as God/Christ is holy isn't hope. It's a death sentence. If you even have lust in your heart it's a sin. Try to honestly lift yourself to that measure of being "holy". Not happening. Side: Church
5
points
1
point
1
point
it is the grace of God which allows sinners to exist in this world outside of Hell, it has appeared to all men, and some by it have been saved through faith I have faith, otherwise I wouldn't be in here offering people salvation and doing debates with people bent against God. Side: Church
1
point
For those who are saved, the grace of God teaches " that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world I try to and with a temperment that makes that one slippery slope. That's why we don't judgepeople. You are climbing the particular mountain that God has presented them to climb. Peter wasn't some "holy" loveable teddy bear. He was always sticking his foot in it. He also was nominated to be the leader. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
1
point
1
point
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: He rebukes me like a mantra knowing my temperment serves His purpose and moves me and morphs me in His due time. He started the work that he promised HE would finish. Side: Church
1
point
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby Everyone is at a different stage of their salvation, everyone has different understanding/IQ, and everyone fights different sins/temptations. God doesn't trash you because you were given more burden or obstacles. He moves you according to your purpose and abilities. Side: Church
1
point
Again, you ignore the passage..why don't you come out and say "this passage does not apply to me, I do not have to follow peace and holiness, I do not need holiness to see the Lord." All you are doing is ignoring the word of God and assaulting my character. It amazes me how you can't see what you are doing, how you claim to be a Christian yet you can ignore so much of the Bible. So again, you are saying nobody in the Bible was holy except for Christ Himself? You already said Moses was not holy......comeon, say it again, say it loud and clear that you think only Christ was holy and everybody else in the Bible was unholy. Comeon......you pretty much said it already, I just want you to say it again, a little more directly. Do it or be a chicken and claim victory and have yourself a little parade of ignorance. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
"this passage does not apply to me, I do not have to follow peace and holiness, I do not need holiness to see the Lord. All passages apply to me, and I know the serpent's voice when I hear it. There is an obvious reason that you did not address me when I defined holy with the dictionary, then asked if that definition described you. Side: Church
1
point
All you are doing is ignoring the word of God and assaulting my character. I have rebuttaled all of your points, quite well actually, and provided verses. I don't care about your character. For all I know you are a Secular troll named Dermot or are demon possessed. Side: Church
1
point
It amazes me how you can't see what you are doing, how you claim to be a Christian yet you can ignore so much of the Bible. Not really. You offered small portions of the Bible. I might as well have rewritten it. I also showed definitive proof, logic, and verses that make you wrong or God a liar. That's called deductive reasoning. If X doesn't equal Y, and Y does equal Z, then X cannot equal Z... Side: Church
1
point
! Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. Moses was a holy man of God as were all of the men God used to record His word. You are walking where angels fear to tread when you say Moses was not a holy man....and then you proceed to trash every man of God in the bible calling them unholy. Your words are so contradictory to the Bible I have to conclude you really do not believe the Bible at all, I don't believe you are a child of God, I don't believe you are born of the Spirit of God, I do not see how any child of God can so adamantly speak against the word of God. I think you walk and talk in the grace heresy because not only are you a heretic, you are not even saved. I hope I am wrong about that, I hope I see you in Heaven, but in this world as you remain proud in your heresy, I am commanded to reject you. Titus 3:10 Side: School
1
point
So again, you are saying nobody in the Bible was holy except for Christ Himself? You already said Moses was not holy......comeon, say it again, say it loud and clear that you think only Christ was holy and everybody else in the Bible was unholy. Comeon......you pretty much said it already, I just want you to say it again, a little more directly. Lot was ready to let the men rape his daughters and then later did have sex himself with his daughters... (The only man saved in all of Sodom and Gomorrah) https://www.gotquestions.org/ Jacob lied. Aaaaah... the man that every Jew is related to...He also wrestled with God and stole his brother Esau's birthright. http://biblehub.com/genesis/32-28.htm Moses couldn't see God's face because? God was holy... Moses also threw the tablets out of anger over the people's idolatry and wasn't allowed to see the promised land. If that's what "holy" looks like, it looks like I'm safe. http://biblehub.com/exodus/33-20.htm Elijah was suicidal and asked God to just let him die. He'd lost hope. http://www.brandonweb.com/sermons/ Abraham jumped on his slave and had sex with her (adultery and disobeying God). He did this because he doubted he and Sarai could have a child as God had promised. He also was ready to let a group of men have sex with his wife to save himself. (And this is the Father of the Jews and the one God made the convenents with) http://www.womeninthebible.net/ Peter denied Christ 3 times, cut off an ear, sank in the water from a lack of faith, and cursed the people. Christ also rebuked him because Satan used him to tempt Christ. (He has the keys to the gates of Heaven) Jonah ran from God out of hatred for Ninevah. https://www.pbc.org/files/ David counted the people and murdered a man over a woman. (Referred to as "a man after God's own heart in the Bible) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/ All of the apostles bickered over "Who was the greatest." They also were not there for Christ in his hour of need at his request. They then ran away and fled.(They were "not lost" according to Christ's prayer, only Judas to fulfill prophecy) http://biblehub.com/luke/9-46.htm Thomas doubted. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/ The adulterous woman was... adulterous.... The thief on the cross was... a thief. (He had no works. He wasn't holy. All he had was a last minute plea to Christ for mercy) The Roman Centurion was a trained killer. (Chirst marveled at his faith) Sampson hooked up with a foreign idol worshipper. (God gave him super human strength and bid him his last request) Ahab was married to the Queen of Baal worhsip, Jezebel. She was so evil that even Christ mentions her in the book of Revelation. The woman at the well? Adultery. (Christ offered her "the water of which you will never thirst again) Adam begat the fall of mankind. (He is the Father of all humanity) Noah got drunk and passed out naked. His son then... (The man who led the only family allowed to live through the flood) https://www.gotquestions.org/ Job questioned God and cursed the day he was born. (God held him as a high example and allowed Satan to test him) The Psalmists lashes out at God, questions God, and makes demands of God. Paul murdered Christians, then after repenting of said murder, then began referring to himself as "the chief of all sinners". (He wrote much of the New Testament. NowASaint began calling people fools and used the word "fag" to reference brontoraptor's avatar that came from old debates years ago when someone referred to him as God's Zilla, which was my first real pseudo debate profile in college. He then began sentencing createdebate members to eternal hell fire. Anything else Saint? Side: Church
1
point
1
point
1
point
1
point
1
point
Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. Side: Church
Like I said, you ignore the Bible's teaching on holiness and resort to attacking my character. Why is it so hard for you to examine and comment on the Bible passages I am presenting? It is because the devil has you blinded so you reject the doctrine of holiness and cannot even acknowledge that you read the passages I presented. This is why I don't bother with you, all you do is create a straw man and attack it rather than looking at what the Bible says. You are demonized in the grace heresy and riding that horse proud and tall parading yourself around claiming to be the great brontoraptor, a talking dinosaur with a faggoty face. Side: Church
You are acting like a fool. If you are saved you are not a fool, but you are acting like one. The way you act, I have to doubt that you are saved and if you are not saved you are not my brother and the bible says you are a fool. People in the grace heresy use the exact same bible verses against holiness as do atheists against God. You're in rebellion against the word of God and I'm doing you a favor pointing it out but you are too stinking proud to see it. Side: Church
1
point
Whew. Better hope for mega grace Saint. If you are judged by your own words? Game over... Matthew 7:2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Side: Church
1
point
Im rebuking you Saint. Your proposal would give no person hope, especially an unbeliever. I'm rebuking you for purposefully trying to kill people's hope, abandoning the golden rule, and abandoning many Biblical commands, and then claiming actions we have seen you make on this very site are automatic damnation to Hell fire. That's bullcrap, and I'm calling you out on it. Side: Church
1
point
Are you kidding? You think you are making a point here? All you are doing is showing how little you understand God and His word. You need to start reading your Bible more. Here's a little lesson for you, I hope it helps but you will probably brush it aside, call me names, and insist that God does not want you to be obedient to Him to be "holy in all manner of conversation" as quoted from the passage which you abuse by taking a small phrase out of context and implying it means things it does not mean. The passage you are taking out of context is from 1 Peter 1, the context is verses 13-17, here it is for you since you seem to be unaware: Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. 17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: You might notice that the theme here is to be obedient, to be holy as the response to what Christ did for us to save us from the fire of Hell. "...without respect of persons" simply means that God judges according to His word and not according to your own claims of greatness or goodness. You completely turn it around to imply that God does not care how you act. God does respect those who obey Him to be holy. You don't remember that Jesus who is seated on the right hand of the Father literally stood up for Stephen as he was being stoned to death? Jesus, God, showed His respect for his servant who was obedient even unto death. The Bible is clear that God respects His people when they are obedient to Him, being holy serving Him in their trials; to those who suffer for His name's sake.
From Leviticus 26:3-9, notice in verse nine where God clearly says He will respect His people who obey Him:.......... If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; 4 Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. 5 And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely. 6 And I will give peace in the land, and ye shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, neither shall the sword go through your land. 7 And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword. 8 And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword. 9 For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you................... From 2 Kings 13:23 And the LORD was gracious unto them, and had compassion on them, and had respect unto them, because of his covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and would not destroy them, neither cast he them from his presence as yet. There are many similar passages........you are twisting things around, God is no respecter of persons simply means that he judges all the same according to His word....His word is clear that He respects those who obey Him to be holy, and those who suffer for His name's sake. The grace heresy changes the grace of God into a license to be worldly, to indulge in lusts of the flesh, the lusts of the eyes, and the pride of life.......the grace heresy is an excuse for friendship with the world which is enmity with God, and because you are such a heretic you think it's cool to portray yourself as a fag faced dinosaur rather than a child of God who in obedience carries His cross to follow Jesus to death knowing they have His life. Side: Church
1
point
according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear 1)I'm not going to tell you my works. God knows, and that's enough. 2)Oh trust me. I fear God. That's why I'm standing over here rather than there. Anyone who has watched me on here is unable to quote me being self righteous or claiming to be sme perfect, wonderful person. There's a reason I don't do it. Side: Church
You have capitulated by ignoring and brushing aside the few of hundreds or thousands of passages from the Bible where God calls His people to be obedient and to be holy. The grace of God enables His children to be obedient and holy in the midst of trials, you turn the grace of God into a license to wear the costume of a fag faced green dinosaur...a perfect example of the grace heresy is what you are showing.....go on and declare your victory, go on and call me legalist of pharisee or beam in your eye or whatever, I have told you the truth and you ignore God's word.... you have done exactly what I said you would do......in reality you have capitulated but you will claim victory and continue your childish name calling. Side: Church
This whole post is all about you, you're proclaiming how righteous you are....that's what the grace heresy does..."I'm only human, I'm not perfect, I can't be holy, so I"m not worried about it, I'm going to watch TV and cheer for the American Idols of WWW and there whorish apparel, and who cares if I look the same as all the ungodly people being entertained like me...and anybody who judges my behavior to be unholy is a pharisee and I will body slam them like Hulk Hogan........" And somehow by living in this king of thinking, you think you are being a good Christian..........sorry, you're a shining example of the grace heresy Side: Church
2
points
2 Peter 1:21: For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. You are a heretic, a big mouth who knows practically nothing of the Bible and I don't want to be anywhere near you while you trash the men of God in the Bible. I have pointed out many times how you make things up for yourself, going along with ungodly teachers while you reject the word of God and do not apologize for saying things directly conflicting the word of God. I don't believe you are even saved, I don't see how a real child of God can say the things you say and then refuse to admit being wrong when shown how the Bible is directly opposed to your sayings. I don't believe you are a Christian at all.... i hope I'm wrong about that and I hope I see you in Heaven but since you refuse to recant your heretical teachings I am commended to reject you. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
You're a waste of my time...you have done exactly what I said you would do, consistently and have not changed...you completely ignore the Bible passages I present to you showing God wants us to be holy and obedient to Him, and all you do is try to impune my character. I challenged you to trash, as you said you would, the Bible passages I presented and by ignoring those passages and refusing to concede that they apply to you, you have indeed trashed those passages. You might as well rip those pages out of the Bible because you obviously think they don't belong there. I think you just want attention and want people to feel sorry for you.....parading yourself around acting like you are trying to convince yourself how great you are, wearing the costume of a faggoty face green dinosaur and trying to tell me you are being a good Christian. Sorry, I'm not impressed, and you have completely capitulated by ignoring and brushing aside the scripture I have presented showing God calls His people to be obedient, to be holy. Side: Church
You don't know your Bible very well, you need to read it more often, cover to cover once a year is good, it gives you plenty of time to apply yourself to understanding and learning prayerfully from God. Also, I suggest you pay special attention to God's call for His people to be holy, and be careful to notice the things they were doing when they were not being holy. Ask God to force the devil to lift the blinders off of your eyes so you can get to know Him better through His word, read it first thing in the morning every day after you thank God for His mercy and for a new day in which you can lay up treasure for Heaven..assuming you really are born again which I doubt due to the way you so adamantly avoid the Bible teaching on holiness. Side: Church
1
point
I read it every day. That's how I do religious debates. You are standing against Billy Graham, Adrian Rogers, Martin Luther and the vast number of evangelical preachers worldwide. If it's that far gone, there was never hope for anyone, and the "harvest is ripe" was a lie. "Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." Revelation 14:15 That verse can't possibly be true if your proposal is right, because narry anyone adheres to your proposal including your own school. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
Trash this one, big mouth: Matthew 16;24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. Side: Church
2
points
Matthew 16;24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 1)And I do in very human fashion as a flawed being. 2)And then Peter denied him 3 times, cursed the people out, and cut off a man's ear... he was given the keys to Heaven. You use human judgement which ignores that the variables and ripple effects of all things that God sees are incalculable to a human mind. Side: Church
1
point
I"m not interested in what you have done or what you claim you will do. I presented a passage of scripture in which Jesus talks of how we should live as Christians.......for Him, and you pretty much ignore it and talk about your own personal greatness, I'm not impressed. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
1
point
You're trying to drag me down into your feelings....it's pretty obvious you have a lot of hurts that are still festering......it won't do any good for you or me if I wallow in your mud with you....your perspective is out of whack, you need to go back to the cross. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
1
point
I'll present to you the fallacy that you are committing called quote mining. If you take these verses from Jesus' mouth you can spin a narrative that is deceptive- 18 A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 19 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 20 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’[a]” 21 “All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said. 22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” 23 When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealthy. 24 Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25 Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” Based on what I just read, without selling everything I have, I'm not worthy of eternal life, which is probably technically true. But we've left out the context. 26 Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?” 27 Jesus replied, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.” ----- The context is that everyone was flummixed by His statement because it's an extreme claim and they interpreted His words to mean no one can be saved, especially a rich man. (But they can be saved and were saved in the Bible.) The second context is that He himself said it was impossible for a man. (Something you appear to be trying to do anyway.) The third context is that only God Himself can save you. More verse support- Side: Church
I'm not impressed with your lesson here, all you are doing is putting on a show completely ignoring the doctrine of God's holiness which is the holiness He calls His people to walk in. You completely ignore the Biblical call for God's people to be obedient to Him. How in the world can you claim that you do not need to obey God simply because you are forgiven? How can you so adamantly ignore the call of God to obey Him and be holy? How can you act like the passages I present do not pertain to you, and you close your eyes and pretend those passages are not even there and you call me a pharisee like a spoiled brat? Side: Church
1
point
1
point
1
point
How can you act like the passages I present do not pertain to you I provided context. You chose not to. You chose to quote mine, as was demonstrated by the plethera of verses I provided. I can provide you quote mines, that by themselves say "everyone on Earth is going to Hell", "Only Jews can be saved", and that "Hell isn't eternal". But... context is your friend. Side: Church
Your lesson here is something I read before I believed on the Savior, and it is something I again read and easily understood very shortly after I received the Lord. All of your comments on this passage are just fluff you are throwing out there trying to sound like you are impressive. Your comments are more than trivial, they are superfluous and unnecessary. I have not spun any narrative, all I did was present a few Bible verses and passages which you are ignoring while you spin a narrative trying to bury the Bible when it speaks of God's call for His people to obey Him and be holy. You trashing the Bible? You winning your argument? I'm not making an argument, I'm only presenting scripture which you ignore as you concoct a narrative on a tangent trying to tell me how you are justified while you call me pharisee. Side: Church
4
points
trying to tell me how you are justified while you call me pharisee You act like the people who wanted Jesus dead, yes. (At least on this site) They preached works, works, works, the law, thelaw, the law, and they preached it to Jesus's face. He rebuked them. To say you can see means you are blind according to Jesus. Do I need to find this verse and provide it? If so, request it. Side: Church
1
point
So what I got from that was... I offered you arguments and verses. Rather than challenge them and offer rebuttal, you have retreated to "bronto is bad" as a defense mechanism rather than trying to prove me wrong. Looks like the debate tactic of someone else I know on this site... it's like magic... Side: Church
1
point
1
point
on a tangent trying to tell me how you are justified If you try to justify yourself, you have fallen from grace. I already gave you chapter and verse. I don't intentionally sin. I just do sin as a human being. So do you. That's why Christ died. I provided chapter and verse on this as well. And those verses are very straight forward. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
your perspective is out of whack, you need to go back to the cross. I may be wrong, but it appears that I am more dependent on that cross than you are. You plan on overriding it by "being holy". I plan on staying at its feet as is emphasized by Christ Himself. "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee (NowASaint) stood by himself and prayed: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other people--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.' "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.' "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves (NowASaint) will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted." Side: Church
Jesus did not say "stay at the foot of the cross", He did not say you are supposed to imitate a bumper sticker showing a soldier kneeling at the cross, that is ungodly symbolism......He said you are to deny yourself, and take up your cross daily, and follow Him. You might want to read your Bible more. The grace of God enables His people to obey Him, denying themselves of comforts offered to people who are not being holy and accepting the trying of our faith which will come for any who live godly in Christ. You are taking the grace of God and using it as a license to contrive your own brand of Christianity suited to your own personality and desires. Look at how you conclude......claiming you are justified only because you say "God have mercy on me a sinner". The concept there is that the man walked in fear of God being holy, having repented of His sin. If you think the guy said "Lord have mercy on me a sinner" and then went to hang out at the Coloseum and watch the gladiators, you are assuming that justified man is living in the grace heresy like you yourself are doing. You're whole "argument" is exactly what I said it would be from the beginning, ignoring the scripture I have presented and calling me a pharisee. You have a mental block to the doctrine of holiness found throughout the Bible, in every book from Genesis to Revelation, and all you can do in your Biblical incompetence is call me a Pharisee while you claim to be justified and go watch world wide wresting money whores blaspheming God all day. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
Says the person that blocks people on debates simply for offering rebuttals or counter arguments.... beam in eye Saint. Beam in the eye. You know the difference between you and me Saint? I don't condemn people to hell for acting like me. You must have missed Christ reaching down to the adulterous woman who was about to be stoned. Condemn? No. He forgave and showed grace. Something I'm waiting to see you manifest. Pick up your cross and follow me, right Saint? Side: Church
1
point
blah blah blah....you wanted me to post scripture for you to argue against and you completely fail to argue against any....all you want to do is have a mud sling with me....keep it to yourself and wallow in it. I'm still waiting for you to tell me the scripture I posted does not apply to you, and for you to trash it as you said...all you are doing is trying to nitpick on my faults.......your whole claim to know so much Bible just fell in the dust. Side: Church
You completely failed to show how any of the scriptures I posted do not apply to you, you completely failed to show that God does not want you to be obedient to Him to be holy...... All you do is as I said you would......call me pharisee, beam in the eye, judgy wudgy boo hoo childish stuff Side: Church
1
point
You drinking Jim Beam? You see, this is why I pretty much ignore your wild postings of scripture....you are not interested in what the Bible says about holiness, about friendship with the world being enmity with God. You probably have no idea what "friendship with the world" means because as a grace heretic you are worldly and a fan of the world...a participant in ungodly ways.... call me pharisee, legalist, beam in the eye, cry me a river about being judged......I believe the Bible, I don't cut out the expansive teaching on holiness which is found from Genesis to Revelation......you seem to have a mental block so when I present scriptures to you, your brain shuts down and you start with that robotic "beam in your eye, pharisee" stuff which is an automatic defense mechanism in your dishonesty trying to deny your unholy indulgences in friendship with the world. Side: Church
And by the way, many atheists have laid down their life in battle as have I......so what? It's normal love for a man to give his life for his friends. Don't be riding your high horse pretending like you are better than others...you only fool yourself and sound quite arrogant in it. Side: Church
Altering behavior and being holy are two different things...Atheists often alter their behavior, often for better, some of them even are or become politically conservative....the most conservative atheist who by all appearances acts like a Christian is still evil, ungodly, unholy...... You just don't get it because you are in the rut of the grace heresy Side: Church
1
point
Who is this holy person you are talking about? Some magic unicorn person that doesn't need the blood of Christ? What? Why does the Bible talk about first giving babies milk if they must be "holy" per your definition? How would they have the time and when would they become "holy" per your definition? It's not logical or coherant. "I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready." 1 Corinthians 3:2 Side: Church
1
point
1
point
1
point
and you pretty much ignore it and talk about your own personal greatness, I'm not impressed So I have the most arrogant person on here preaching to me about arrogance? You do know the teaching about beams in the eye do you not? I didn't provide the link to boast, but to show you that you'll be getting into a debate with a seasoned "grace" debator. Quit judging everyone when you do the same. It's a sin. Side: Church
what do you want to do, man? box? You obviously don't have the spiritual backbone to do a Bible study with me.......how in the world can you dismiss the doctrine of holiness which is found from cover to cover in the Bible? And you can throw out hundreds of verses? And I'm supposed to be impressed with you? Seems to me like you are just trying to cover your pain wanting attention and I do feel sorry for you...but feeling sorry for you is not going to make me hold back from speaking the truth...if I tell you less than the truth it would be apathetic which is hateful. Love speaks the truth and if it bothers you it's for your own good and you should get over it. Side: Church
A seasoned "grace" debater.......hahahhaha.....a seasoned grace heretic is more like it. The scriptures I posted destroy your whole argument and that is why you have to ignore them. And that was only a few off the top of my head, I can show you in every book of the Bible where God calls His people to be holy, to obey Him in all things, to be consecrated for Him in every word, thought, and action....it's all through the Bible, God wants us to be holy as He is holy and you have taken the grace of God and changed it into an excuse for being unholy....the grace of God is what enables us to obey Him in trials, to deny ourselves to serve Him.....you're a heretic if you keep going as you have been with the grace heresy. Side: Church
This is why I don't bother with you. You completely ignore Bible passages I present and all you do is try to assassinate my character, put words in my mouth, and argue against your own straw men. I don't believe anything you say...........okay, I guess I"ll give you the benefit of a doubt and assume you are being honest in the personal details of your life......but for crying out loud, you act like you think you are so great...we both deserve to burn in Hell, get real. Side: Church
You really think you are all that and a bag of chips, don't you? I'm not impressed, you're just a big mouth too chicken to look at the scriptures I present and apply them to yourself as they are for all Christians. You think it's all about you. I'm not impressed. All you want to do is drag me into your childish character attacking, you want to ignore the Bible passages I present and just attack me. You are in the grace heresy, and you cannot in the grace heresy apply these passages to yourself because you think you are good without them. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
Debating people like you is a waste of time, you are justifying yourself to be unholy and you won't listen 1)No one listens to you because you are cruel and block anyone that challenges you. 2)You have head knowledge with no heart knowledge, and we both know scripturally which is the lesser of those two knowledges. 3)In a debate, yes, you have to point out the verses. I'm not going to make your argument for you. It'd be ridiculous. 4)You are a Pharisee. You condemn people to hell that you know nothing about and have never had a deep conversation with or seen their daily routines to even form a reasonable opinion. For all you know they got saved 3 weeks ago. . Romans 14:1-3 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Side: Church
1
point
I"m not debating, I'm presenting truth and you are arguing against it trying to make an excuse for being unholy. God says "be ye holy, for I am holy", and you say "I can't be holy because I'm a sinner, thank you God for your grace allowing me to be unholy". That's not how it works, unless you are trying to provoke God to anger so He will chastise you......if you are trying to get God's attention by being unholy, you are likely to succeed. If I were you I would get on my knees and confess my unholiness and count myself dead to sin but alive unto God to obey Him and be holy......but you will probable force God to drive you to your knees before you recant of your lame excuses for not being holy. I was like you, I fell in with Christians who taught the grace heresy the same as you are teaching it. I went to Bible college, two years of study under professors who promote the grace heresy, failing to distinguish between worldly and godly, or worldly and holy.....failing to acknowledge the grace of God is what enables Christians to obey God to be holy "As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. I PETER 1:14-16. The grace heresy teaches that you are supposed to quote Jesus saying "there is none good" and then claim you can't be holy because you are a sinner, and the grace of God allows for your disobedience. That's not the grace of God, that's not how it works. Side: Church
1
point
I'm presenting truth and you are arguing against it trying to make an excuse for being unholy Nope. I have no excuses, nor have I made one in this debate. Youare welcome to quote me "making excuses". I did not. I simply said that no man is "holy" other than Christ because that's the truth. I've never met a "good Christian man" that wouldn't tell you his faults and struggles. Never met them. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
1
point
1
point
That's not the grace of God, that's not how it works Then it's not grace. What, are you claiming a "partial grace"? Seek and you shall find... unless you don't... Knock and the door shall be opened unto you... unless you aren't holy... slam! He who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Is there some fine print I missed?) God loves those who diligently seek him... unless they are ever "unholy". Then the deal is off. More invisible fine print? Where are your accusers now? I have none Lord. Then neither do I condemn you.... I know you are an adulterer and I haven't condemned you...but later I will reject you as unholy and toss you in the fire. More invisible fine print. Remember me in your kingdom. I tell you today I will see you in paradise. Psych! You weren't holy. You were a thief your whole life and have no time to be holy! Sucker! More invisible fine print. For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believe on him should not perish but have ever lasting life. But don't ever be unholy, cross your fingers, hope for the best, and pray you don't burn in hell. More invisible fine print... Point? What are you talking about Saint. My salvation comes and goes like a ping pong ball dependent on whether I perfectly mind? That doesn't even make sense, nor is it Biblical. "I will finish the good work that I started in you." "I will never leave you nor forsake you." Oh wait. Must be lies. The holy clause wasn't read. Side: Church
1
point
Oh, you are super human because you have no legs.....I missed that. Thanks for letting me know. You would not want to go through the things that I have gone through...you probably would not have survived. Most people do not make it through what I went through and come out with any health or sanity. I am thankful for everything I have including the injuries that still plague me, I am thankful for the difficulties I went through, I am thankful for the pains I endure, I thank God for His mercy as it is the only thing new in this world, I know I do not deserve to live but He is my life and for some reason He keeps me here and gives me the ability to express praise and honor to His name........and He is doing as He promised He would do, making me a fisher of men as I follow Him according to His word. You can be unholy if you want to. God owns my life, I want to be holy as God commands me to be holy so I do what He says in order to be holy. You can make excuses, I make none, I don't buy your excuses for not being holy and God buys them less than me. Don't you know the Bible clearly says that we are to give thanks for all things, and in all things? Are you thanking God that you have no legs, or are you blaming Him, complaining, and moping? God fashions every human heart the same, and I was indeed like you in your teaching and emotionalism...that's what it all is, emotionalism, and you are twisting the grace of God trying to pacify your emotions.....instead of believing God, taking Him at His word and doing what He says you should do and avoiding what He says you should not do, you are doing it your own way which requires you to play the victim card, say "I'm a sinner, it is not possible for me to be holy", and ignore one of the most intricate and basic themes of the Bible which is the holiness of God and His call for His people to be holy. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
1
point
You can be unholy if you want to. God owns my life, I want to be holy as God commands me to be holy so I do what He says in order to be holy. You can make excuses, I make none, I don't buy your excuses for not being holy and God buys them less than me. Everyone has different skills and talents. If you saw all of my pms throughout the years, you'd understand why I do what I do, but you cannot see them, thus, you will never know. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
Don't you know the Bible clearly says that we are to give thanks for all things, and in all things? Are you thanking God that you have no legs, or are you blaming Him, complaining, and moping? My response was to defend Christ and do religious debates on the internet for 20+ years against the nastiest unbelievers imaginable. I didn't do it simply for giggles. Only partly... for giggles. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
If I am, most all Christians are, which per deductive reasoning, would mean the Bible lied when it said that the harvest was ripe in the end of days. It would also be problematic for you because those being beheaded in the name of Jesus all over the Middle East believe my claim over yours, and they are fulfilling the prophecies of being faithful even unto death in the book of Revelation (per beheading). Also, your version has not been "preached to every nation" (another prophecy). My version has. Anything else Saint or is deductive logic not allowed in this particular court... Side: Church
1
point
So you disagree with God's word, when He says He fashions all human hearts alike you go with worldly pop-psychology and say no, they are not all fashioned alike by Godl Psalm 33:13The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men. 14From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth. 15He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works. Typical of people in the grace heresy, you really don't care what the Bible says and that is why you think the passages I presented to you do not apply to you. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
which requires you to play the victim card, say "I'm a sinner, it is not possible for me to be holy I have no thoughts of being a victim. I'm a truth lover. I can be holy. So could Adam. We fell. We need Christ. The difference between you and me is that I admit it, and haven't created a fairytale world to live in where I claim to be "holy", yet am not and often on this very site. You also never rebuttal this charge. Side: Church
I have presented the word of God, God says "Be ye holy, for I am holy'. If you are not being holy, you are being unholy, there is no in-between. If you are not being holy, you are in sin and not walking after the Spirit. If you are not obeying God, you are not being holy, you are being ungodly. These are simple truths and you are arguing against the truth. I am not arguing, I am presenting the truth and you are avoiding it because your thinking is skewed in pride. God never says, "I am holy, and I want you to be holy but I know you can't so it's okay if you are unholy." God says "Be ye holy, for I am holy". You have completely failed to show how what God says "Be ye holy, for I am holy" it does not apply to you. All you are doing is making excuses for being unholy. At least you admit you are unholy. Side: Church
If you are a truth lover, why when God says he fashions all human hearts alike, why do you say "no he does not, there are different types of hearts" and you are in agreement with ungodly Anti-Christ psychologists rather than in agreement with the word of God? Pslam 33 13The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men. 14From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth. 15He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works. If you love the truth and believe the Bible, for once in your life it is time you admit you were wrong when you said God does not fashion every human heart alike. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
but the sympathy you want won't do you any good I don't want sympathy. I like being nipped at by trolls, unbelievers and legalists. It's why God called me. He knew their insults were meaningless white noise to me and that I simply do not care about insults, false dichotomies, false equivalencies, or fake outrage. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
1
point
I was like you, I fell in with Christians who taught the grace heresy the same as you are teaching it. I went to Bible college, two years of study under professors who promote the grace heresy And if it is you committing the herasy? I have provided sound arguments and verses that question your proposal. Side: Church
You have completely ignored the Bible passages I presented, God says "be ye holy, for I am holy" and you say you can only be unholy. Your whole debating is nothing but a straw man argument ignoring the call of God to be holy, all you do is try to put words in my mouth and argue against your own fraudulent version of my words, then you call me names like "pharisee". You don't even know what the grace heresy is because the devil has blinded your mind to it, and that is why you are unable to take in the verses I have showed you which apply to you the same as they apply to me and all Christians....the devil has pulled the wool over your eyes and you seem to be enjoying it........go on telling everybody how you cannot be holy, and how you can only be unholy which is ungodly.....go on and tell. Side: Church
1
point
1
point
I don't remember why or when I called you an idiot or a fool, but if you will give me the context of when you were called those names (if it was as you claim), I'm sure I will be able to point out how you were being like an idiot or like a fool. Did I flatly call you a fool, or did I say you are acting like a fool? And once again, your icon pictures you as a fag faced dinosaur...have you looked at the face on that thing? And you think it was not designed by a faggot? Side: Church
1
point
1
point
Come now Saint. You're claim is that you are this?... Holy: -exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness. Side: Church
Webster also defines Catholic as Christian, and Christianity as a religion. I get my definitions from the Bible, I do all I can to obey God as He commands, my life is consecrated to Him, all that I have and do is dedicated to Him, I live a life in the world while separated from the world because without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. If you are not being holy, that is your choice. At least you admit that you are ungodly, that is a start. Next you need to call it sin and repent, and start believing and obeying God to be holy. Side: Church
1
point
Jesus hates legalism according to? Himself... Luke 11:37-54 After Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee asked Jesus to eat with him. So Jesus went in and sat at the table. But the Pharisee was surprised when he saw that Jesus did not wash his hands before the meal. The Lord said to him, “You Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are full of greed and evil. You foolish people! The same one who made what is outside also made what is inside. So give what is in your dishes to the poor, and then you will be fully clean. How terrible for you Pharisees! You give God one-tenth of even your mint, your rue, and every other plant in your garden. But you fail to be fair to others and to love God. These are the things you should do while continuing to do those other things. How terrible for you Pharisees, because you love to have the most important seats in the synagogues, and you love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces. How terrible for you, because you are like hidden graves, which people walk on without knowing.” One of the experts on the law said to Jesus, “Teacher, when you say these things, you are insulting us, too.” Jesus answered, “How terrible for you, you experts on the law! You make strict rules that are very hard for people to obey, but you yourselves don’t even try to follow those rules. How terrible for you, because you build tombs for the prophets whom your ancestors killed! And now you show that you approve of what your ancestors did. They killed the prophets, and you build tombs for them! This is why in his wisdom God said, ‘I will send prophets and apostles to them. They will kill some, and they will treat others cruelly.’ So you who live now will be punished for the deaths of all the prophets who were killed since the beginning of the world from the killing of Abel to the killing of Zechariah, who died between the altar and the Temple. Yes, I tell you that you who are alive now will be punished for them all. “How terrible for you, you experts on the law. You have taken away the key to learning about God. You yourselves would not learn, and you stopped others from learning, too.” When Jesus left, the teachers of the law and the Pharisees began to give him trouble, asking him questions about many things, trying to catch him saying something wrong. Side: Church
Listen, punk....I was like you for years, I attended a Bible college which unknowingly taught the grace heresy which you practice gleefully in your unholy ways being in friendship with the world. I could toss out scripture much better than you or anybody you know trying to defend excusing myself in unholy things.....one full semester class was devoted to showing how our unholy worldly indulgences can be excused, my term paper in the class pointed out some flaws in the text author's theme while supporting the basic teaching of the grace heresy; a teaching unintended but unavoidable when God's call to be holy and not in friendship with the world is ignored. You're a smarty pants kid who is full of himself. Quit crying about why you feel you should have a license to be unholy Side: Church
1
point
Go ahead? I don't practice the grace heresy any longer......you don't even know what it is. You are tossing out scriptures to support your claim to have a license to be in friendship with the world, to indulge yourself however you feel is not too bad for a Christian.......I was like you, I used to do the same thing and I know the Bible much better than now than you probably ever will in this world......I could coach you in making a stronger argument to support your position but I won't because it is against the word of God, it's a corruption of doctrine in grace. You think you are so stinking good and smart and you don't even know what the grace heresy is. Side: Church
1
point
Go ahead? I don't practice the grace heresy any longer 1)So Billy Graham is going to hell and Adrian Rogers did already despite devoting their entire lives to Christ? Wow... 2)So the devil tricked you into using works of the law, not love, to justify yourself. Speaking of herasies... Side: Church
1
point
I've been debating religion 20+ years. Let's go. Quit stalling. Tell an unbeliever, based on your claim, why they shouldn't just quit right now. Then tell us what the "hope" is that the NT talks about? Hope that grace is false and that if we don't commit enough works, god rebukes His role as Father just cause? By basic logic and reason, your claim makes Him morally inferior to many human parents. I'd never forsake my child at any and all costs to myself. Are you claiming God does? Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- biblehub.com/ephesians/2-8.htm Side: Church
1
point
1
point
So let's examine. You literally used "going to a theological school" as a personal credential. Then you claim their teaching was false. So.... 1)If they were false going to school there is a knock against you, not a credential. 2)You are now telling us that YOU know more than theologians, in the biggest Christian nation on Earth, and they know less than you including Adrian Rogers and Billy Graham... wow. Side: Church
1
point
I don't have a license to "be unholy". I am free and accept that I am human, just as Christ accepted in the most extreme manner. "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do." http://biblehub.com/luke/23-34.htm You appear to not have this kind of outlook. You have an outlook of criticism and judgement when that position was not appointed to you. "There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you--who are you to judge your neighbor?" James 4:12 Side: Church
1
point
1 Corinthians 13:5-7 5 Love is not rude, is not selfish, and does not get upset with others. Love does not count up wrongs that have been done. 6 Love takes no pleasure in evil but rejoices over the truth. 7 Love patiently accepts all things. It always trusts, always hopes, and always endures. Side: Church
1
point
realize the assumptions Assumptions are everywhere, to use that to prove something wrong, is wrong.. logical assumptions are made every now and then, what matters to us is how close our assumption is to practicality, so that those assumptions are feasible and can be used, in a specific domain, where it coincides with practicality. and even hear them admit their dogmas Biologists don't have time machines, they try deducing from what is provided to them. Side: Church
3
points
I've never been to a church that talked about Evolution. I actually studied it. Darwinism doesn't match the evidence. If it was any other type of theory it would have been dismissed, but atheists can't let go of it in the same manner that the religious people can't let go of their dogmas. The Cambrian Explosion destroyed Darwinism decades ago. Side: School
3
points
Yeah, but I went to Baylor University, and they actually told us to watch every video of the 4 horsemen of Atheism, and they told us that because they knew we would see the flaws. If you read enough of Dawkins you realize his hatred for God, which mutates the "science. If you watch Hitchens, you realize he wants to believe. If you watch Sam Harris you see that he sees Christianity as a wall that keeps out worse versions of government. We actually had to write papers on their presentations. Side: School
Hello again, FH: Thanks for responding.. I don't read Dawkins, or watch Youtube videos. I don't know who Sam Harris IS, and I don't care if he hates God. I don't NEED anybody's support for my belief. I'm an atheist because I looked around, and came to that decision INDEPENDENTLY. Atheists do NOT gather together to share their beliefs.. That's a RELIGIOUS thing to do. If atheists gather together, it's NOT to promote atheism. It's to promote a POLITICAL agenda, which is DISTINCT from promoting atheism.. excon Side: Church
3
points
Wrong. Atheists have mega churches, books sold by the millions, take donations, and even pass out irreligious pamphlets. That's what a religion is. Admit it excon. You're a part of a religion. Your a dogmatic religious hack that drank the koolaid. How was it? What flavor was that crap? Side: School
Hello again, bront: I'm an atheist.. I believe in NOTHING. I simply CAN'T believe that people would gather together to celebrate NOTHING.. I live in a very liberal city, and IF there were these atheist mega churches, they'd BE here in Seattle.. But, I don't know of ANY.. Got a link? excon Side: School
1
point
http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/11/11/ Now admit you are a part of a fundamentalist dogma. Side: Church
2
points
1
point
1
point
1
point
1
point
1
point
1
point
As far back as I can remember, maybe even before I started school at 5 or 6 years old, evolution was being taught on television and publications aimed at children. Of course the schools reinforced that teaching and the indoctrination continued and I really did try to believe it for a few years, and...until I figured out that if it is true that man evolved from molecules, then all that really matters is survival and life is ultimately meaningless. The indoctrination of evolution was against us being created by God, that was obvious to me even when I was a little child and it's easy to understand that if there is no God, there is nobody above me to determine right and wrong and nothing really matters because we are stuck in dying and in evolutionary belief we lose it all. For the next 15 years or so, evolution was pumped down my throat and while I had to believe God is there or nothing in the world or life makes any sense at all I tried to accommodate the possibility of God causing life to evolve. I was not a Christian, I guess you would say I was a theistic evolutionist....a deist, yet I was smoking more weed than the stupid excon, who loves the dope more than life, can shake a stick at. It was plain common sense which led me to fully reject belief in evolution. Life does not emerge out of non-living things, reptiles do not turn into birds or mammals, and monkeys do not turn into people. If you believe any of these things happen or ever did happen, you are a sucker....and like the guy who had that famous circus said, "A sucker is born every minute". The question of belief in evolution is not a question of science, it is a question of religion and philosophy. If you believe in evolution, you believe life emerged out of non-living things and you are projecting supernatural ability into natural elements; a religious belief. The philosophical concepts which follow are might makes right, survival of the fittest, natural selection, no objective morality, no objective meaning of life, exoneration in death. Evolution is evil, pure and simple, encouraging people to try to justify their sin and hope for exoneration in death and it is used by demons to pull suckers down to the fire of Hell. Amen. Side: School
You are a sinner who deserves to burn in Hell. If you are "a much better person", why can't you get yourself out of death? People want to believe in evolution for one reason: pride; they are simply to proud to admit that they are not as good as God and do not deserve to exist outside of Hell. You show your pride in your "I'm a much better person than you" garbage. It's not me you have to stand before on Judgement Day. Deny it until you are blue in the face if you want to, you're not getting out of it in your pride. Amen. That's good preaching. Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Side: Church
1
point
1 Corinthians 13:5-7 5 Love is not rude, is not selfish, and does not get upset with others. Love does not count up wrongs that have been done. 6 Love takes no pleasure in evil but rejoices over the truth. 7 Love patiently accepts all things. It always trusts, always hopes, and always endures. Side: Church
You created this debate as a means of insulting anybody who does not believe in evolution. Somehow you don't see your own rudeness when I tell the truth saying it's stupid to believe in evolution. This is what you have been programmed to do...to insult anybody who does not agree with your belief in evolution, to claim science is exclusive for those who believe in evolution. It's really childish and more than anything shows your own lack of intellect. Side: Church
Oh, yep, I did call you stupid.....well, you are being stupid and you wont' stop being stupid, will you? You won't believe the fire of Hell is the worst possible place imaginable until you are burning in the fire and wanting out, correct? You're stupid, man, and when you start to listen for your own sake I'll stop calling you stupid. All you are doing here is calling every Christian on the planet stupid, and if you cry about being called stupid then you are just a cry baby.....and if you keep on going the way you are going, you will find yourself in Hell wanting out and you will remember these words and be haunted by the fact that you refused to listen and preferred to be stupid.....and you will say "How could I be so stupid?" Side: Church
1
point
1
point
Ouch. Skating on thin ice Saint. Better hope you are judged by grace and not by your words... Matthew 7:2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Side: Church
1
point
1 Corinthians 13:5-7 5 Love is not rude, is not selfish, and does not get upset with others. Love does not count up wrongs that have been done. 6 Love takes no pleasure in evil but rejoices over the truth. 7 Love patiently accepts all things. It always trusts, always hopes, and always endures. Side: Church
1
point
3
points
I learned it by actually watching these scientists explain their positions. After a while, I learned Darwinism is a bs myth. Try it some time. You won't believe it either. The problem with atheists is they watched the bs highlight real, were indoctrinated, and are too brainwashed to know anything else. Side: School
I did not ask for anything from you, I don't want anything from you. Honesty would be nice, but you can keep it to yourself if you want to. You want something and you are not being honest in stating what it is. I don't want anything from you. What do you want, and why do you want it? All you did was say a bunch of goofy nonsense except that you did say helping others makes you feel good. So lets see if we can get a bit of honesty out of you based on your desire to feel good by helping others. Do you feel bad when you are not helping others, so that when you help others the bad feelings about yourself are not so bad? So the more you help others, the less you feel bad about yourself? Why do you feel bad about yourself? Is it because you are a sinner? Is it because you are deformed by sin? Side: Church
You answered too fast, before I could edit, so read it again and try to explain why helping others makes you feel good, and try to explain why you feel bad about yourself so that you need to help others to feel better. I did not ask for anything from you, I don't want anything from you. Honesty would be nice, but you can keep it to yourself if you want to. You want something and you are not being honest in stating what it is. I don't want anything from you. What do you want, and why do you want it? All you did was say a bunch of goofy nonsense except that you did say helping others makes you feel good. So lets see if we can get a bit of honesty out of you based on your desire to feel good by helping others. Do you feel bad when you are not helping others, so that when you help others the bad feelings about yourself are not so bad? So the more you help others, the less you feel bad about yourself? Why do you feel bad about yourself? Is it because you are a sinner? Is it because you are deformed by sin? Side: Church
Ok. I will rip apart your dumb shit. Whatever. I did not ask for anything from you, False. You asked me what I wanted. Honesty would be nice, but you can keep it to yourself if you want to. I didn't keep it to myself, but you thought I did and even though you think I did keep my honesty to myself you didn't let it go. So, clearly I can't just keep it to myself. You want something and you are not being honest in stating what it is. False. I stated exactly what I wanted. I want you to tell us what you hate. You are hung up on the why, you know the what. don't want anything from you. That's weird because you keep asking me for stuff. Talk about dishonesty. The stuff I all you for I actually want. . What do you want, and why do you want it? You made a claim about hating things you don't believe in. If you actually believe that is true you will have to hate the things you don't believe. I want you to tell us that you don't hate anything to prove you don't actually believe your claim. All you did was say a bunch of goofy nonsense except that you did say helping others makes you feel good Oh wow, you actually recognized that helping others isn't goofy nonsense. You are growing as a person. So lets see if we can get a bit of honesty out of you based on your desire to feel good by helping others. That's hilarious coming from you. Do you feel bad when you are not helping others, No. , so that when you help others the bad feelings about yourself are not so bad? No, normal people don't need bad feelings to motivate them. So the more you help others, the less you feel bad about yourself? Nope. I unlike you haven't done terrible things to need to feel bad about myself. Why do you feel bad about yourself? That's a huge assumption you are making. Strange too. Since I only mentioned feeling good, you clearly must have emotional problems to not understand that. Is it because you are a sinner? Is it because you are deformed by sin? It is a shame when intellectually fragile people such as yourself get brainwashed with such negativity. Instead of motivating you it just shatters your self worth. That's what really sucks. Side: Church
What do you want, Cartman? If I say that everything you say and do is ok, right, and/or good, will that make you happy? Do you want to be happy or unhappy? Do you want to live or do you want to die? Do you want to be God, or do you want to be you? Do you hate life because you can't get out of death? What do you want, Cartman? What do you think will satisfy you? Side: Church
What do you want, Cartman? Do you want to be happy or unhappy? Do you want to be satisfied or dissatisfied? What do you want to have and be, what Comeon, Cartman, let it all out, tell us who you really are. What will it take for you to be happy and/or satisfied. Obviously you won't be happy or satisfied with me........so what is it, Cartman, what do you want? Side: Church
If you will honestly tell me what you want, I can probably tell you how to get what you want......though you probably won't believe it is possible to get what you really want. You're not being honest, Cartman, you are trying to hide behind a facade of often nonsensical word play. Tell us what you really want, what is your heart's desire, Cartman. What do you think will satisfy you? If I did not care what you want I would not ask. Side: Church
I am on a debate website to debate people with thoughts in their heads. I made the mistake of thinking that you were one of those people. As is obvious to everybody else here, this is a debate website. I answered you in the context of a debate website. There was no reason for me to ever think you wanted to talk about what I want outside of this website because you can't help me with that. There is not a thing that you have accurately described on this website, so you having any kind of negative opinion of me is only a good thing. Side: Church
What you want outside of this website is the same as what you want here, it's the desires of your heart....what is it, Mr. Cartman? What do you really want? Why do you want it, and will you be satisfied if you get it? You think it's a good thing if I have a negative opinion of you, so you want me to have a negative opinion of you? So you feel good if I have a negative opinion of you, and you feel good when you help others........so you feel bad and you want things to make you feel better? We may be getting to the bottom of this, keep talking please. God loves you, Cartman. Side: Church
What you want outside of this website is the same as what you want here It isn't for me. Why is it for you? You act horrible on this website. it's the desires of your heart It's a debate website, you psycho. You think it's a good thing if I have a negative opinion of you I will put it in terms that you can understand (maybe). Do you think it is a good thing if Satan has a negative opinion of you? you want me to have a negative opinion of you? I would until you stop getting everything backwards. So you feel good if I have a negative opinion of you, and you feel good when you help others There is no conflict there. You have negative opinions of everyone that helps you. so you feel bad and you want things to make you feel better? Just because you use the words that logical people use doesn't make your statement logical. Are you claiming you don't have a negative opinion of me? We may be getting to the bottom of this, keep talking please It takes so much talking to get through top someone add blind as you. It is really a shame you don't want to improve. God loves you, Cartman. How would you know? You hate God. Side: Church
It seems like you want situations or things that make you feel bad so you can know what it is to feel better by doing or saying things that make you feel more positive about yourself.......and that is why you act like such a jack-ass with me, so you feel better at times when you are not being such a jack ass with others? Is that it? Side: Church
No. That's not it. I have told you exactly what you are trying to figure out and yet you keep trying to figure it out. There is nothing for you to figure out and yet you spend time trying to figure it out. You have been told the answer and you say something else. That doesn't look good for you. Side: Church
Please explain how you know that you have not wasted what was given to you, and you have not made God hate you. You want to help others, it seems like you have found a very good thing in life, please explain how you found it and how you know it is true, it will be a great help to others. Or admit that you are not being honest. Side: Church
So you don't feel good when you are not helping others, and you need to help others to feel good, so you want to help others because that makes you feel good? That's what you really want, to help others and why you want that is so that you feel good? So why do you feel bad when you are not helping others? Are you sure it's not yourself you are tying to help when you help others, while in reality you are trying to help yourself feel good? How do you feel now? Do you feel good? Side: Church
1
point
Hello again, DB: Yes, I DO remember.. Look.. The problem is, you don't have the mental capacity I do.. I'm sorry a poor soul like you has to find enemies on the internet.. That's fine.. I'm NOT here to make friends with you.. I'm not going to indulge your rudeness any longer.. Stuff it, right winger. excon Side: Church
3
points
Hello again, Now: Words matter.. You called ME stupid.. You DIDN'T say what I thought was stupid.. That's when I claimed the high road and suggested I was better than you because I don't call names.. Then you clarified that you were saying that it's stupid to believe in evolution... I took that as an apology.. So, let's be clear.. I'm better than you if you call me names.. If you don't, I'm not.. excon Side: Church
Oh Boo hoo....you created a discussion/debate for the sole purpose of calling everybody who knows evolution is a hoax stupid. You are calling every Christian here stupid, and then you claim to be a better person than those who stand up to you. A 74 year old cry baby, no wonder you like to smoke weed and avoid growing up. Side: Church
Hello again, dying sinner who is on his way to Hell boasting that he is okay with roasting like an eternal marshmallow in Hell forever. Why do you think I want to read the ramblings of a fool? You invented this discussion as nothing but an insult to people of faith or to people who do not believe in evolution. The question of the title of this debate is an insult, you are a jack ass and just because you state your insults in a phony intellectual arrogant pompous way does not make you any less of a jack ass. I am stating the truth, you are doing nothing but framing insults pretending to be a sophisticated jack ass. Side: Church
1
point
http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ check out my debate Side: School
1
point
|