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Peace & prosperity. Boring news. No atrocities.
Debate Score:91
Arguments:67
Total Votes:98
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Imagine a world without Muslims, just imagine.

Just think, minimal security at airports. Enjoy a coffee with your family without fear of you all be blown to pieces. The billions of dollars spent worldwide on security could be diverted to improve public services such as medical care. 

Peace & prosperity.

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Boring news. No atrocities.

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2 points

Bet if they all converted to another religion which teaches peace, equality and tolerance we could all enjoy a more carefree way of life. The western economies are being retarded by the fear and restrictions which Muslims are placing on freedom of movement and open trading. Not so for the economies of Russia or China, oh no, their creed of ''No Muslims Here'' has kept them relatively free of the vermin. Hacking the heads of Christians for no other reason than their faith highlights just how demonic this religion really is and how our politicians, aided and abetted by the electorate have helped to foster the spread of the Islamic disease throughout the societies of the west. Imagine being able to hop on an aircraft without endless security queues, no having to get frisked, no opening of luggage, being able to conduct your business and leisure time without worrying about some Muslim suicide bomber or shooter. Is the swarthy person beside you on public transport with a beard carrying a rucksack a Muslim bomber? Is the person in a burqa approaching the pavement cafe in which your relaxing with a cup of coffee a crazed murdering Muslim?

Side: Peace & prosperity.
Hubri5(4) Disputed
1 point

That is a stupid thing to say... all religions spawn radicals, just look at the planned parenthood shooting a few weeks back... he claimed he was "a warrior for the babies" whatever the fuck that means... don't be so biggeted. The real answer to this is if there were no magic man in the sky then we would be a much better society as a whole than we are today. Almost ever extreme act of violence today comes from not only MUSLIMS but RELIGOUS PEOPLE, and almost ALL secular crazies that commit attrocities don't do it because there is no god, they do it because they are evil- hence why it happens less frequently- at least to my knowledge. (so don't bring up stalin. Mao MAYBE bt not stalin.) and since there is according to some figures one shooting EVERYDAY in america and america is full of white people and since the most common religion of those white dudes killing eachother is, i think we can agree CHRISTIANITY- WHY THE FUCK ARE WE NOT FREAKING OUT OVER CHRISTIANS! oh yeah it doesn't sell in the media... pity.

have a more open mind

Side: Boring news. No atrocities.
foratag(257) Disputed
2 points

Just how many of these people are killing in the name of Jesus. If none, then your comment holds no water. You can only be a Christian if you believe Jesus is the son of God. Therefore, if the murderer doesn't profess to do it for Jesus or in the name of Jesus, then it is not a Christian killing.

Side: Peace & prosperity.
Antrim(1287) Disputed
1 point

The gangster criminals, megalomaniac dictators and the mentally deranged may be black, white, yellow or purple with orange dots but they're not willfully targeting men woman and children because of their religion, political ideology or nationality. The religious or ethnic background of the aforementioned groups is irrelevant as they're not plying their trade of death and misery in the name of any mythical god. The group of people who represent the greatest threat to all western nations are Muslims. Tell me this you imbecile, when was the last time you read headlines about groups of Christian terrorists slaughtering Muslim men woman and children in their own countries for no other reason than for the faith? Even though there is no real point in trying to have fools like you understand what's going on in the world in which they live, it is always worth a try in the dim hope that one of your two brain cells may have sparked into life.

Side: Peace & prosperity.
1 point

This is pretty pointless and seriously not "my area" of expertise but nevertheless, i'd like to say that the world would be pretty awesome without our hoodie friends. You see, most moderate muslims say they believe in what they call "jihad of the pen" which is basically arguing for Islam through logic and not going "popcorn".

As such, whenever terror occurs anywhere in the world, they'd be the first to say "It's not our fault, these are just the actions of a few insane sects.".

It may seem pretty unfair to judge all these muslims as terrorists just because of the actions of a few but while I do agree that not ALL muslims are terrorists, it has to be said that ALL muslims are TROUBLE.

All the muslims (Or rather, all ideas) of the world can be likened to a live chicken. It's dirty and gross and noisy but if you pluck away all the feathers and drain out all the blood and intestines then you'll end up with a half decent meal. (I don't like chicken)

The so called peaceful mosques in America and other "western" countries are breeding grounds for muslim extremists. The simple fact is, you can't have moderate Islam without Extreme (ALLAH HU ACKBAR---Explode) Islam. The chicken comes with feathers and guts and blood.

So ask yourself, are you willing to live with the risk of being terror bombed for no reason at all? And Islam isn't even any good at all! While some may disagree (And frankly I don't care) Islam is a women oppressing, male supremacist, "extreme conservative", backwards and in simple truth, stupid religon. It does have a few merits as I myself am conservative tending but nevertheless, Islam simply sucks.

No, I don't play golf with that idiot "what's his name Trump". It would be best for the west and indeed the whole world for muslims to just go (without a bang) but sadly it's impossible because "muslim" is not a race but a religon.

America should never have let Islam in in the first place and now unfortunately, you Americans (I assume most of you are Americans) are stuck with exploding maniacs for the rest of your generations.

So basically I am saying (No offense to the guy who created this debate) that this is a dumb question. We will never (Or at least, not in the next 1000 years) be able to get rid of muslims. It's a problem that can neither be deported (They are a religon) or converted (There are three types of religon in the world: That which makes sense but is ignored, that which makes moderate sense but is challenged and that which makes no sense and hence needs little thinking to believe in. Islam is no.3)

But yes, if there were no muslims in the world, it'd be much better, safer and less "EXplodeE".

Side: Peace & prosperity.
Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

Everything you said only makes sense if Muslims were the only violent people in the world. People have a massive history of violence and this is just another chapter. Without Islam we would just find something else to fight about.

Side: Boring news. No atrocities.
1-26-14-25(87) Disputed
2 points

That is a very negative world view which I hope you come around to changing. As Einstien once said, it isn't the people who are evil whom will destroy the earth, it's the good who refuse to do anything. Your kind of negative outlook on human beings is what will lead to inaction. As surely as there are evil, stupid and disgusting people in the world, there are also, wise, understanding, arrogant and awesome people like me. You need more faith in the human race or vader will chokie yuu! XD

Side: Peace & prosperity.
Antrim(1287) Disputed
1 point

We can only address tangible problems. It's Muslims who are slaughtering people in the streets of the towns and cities throughout the world. To speculate that if the the Muslim murderers were vapourized they would be replaced by another group of psychopaths is like saying I've got terminal cancer but sure if I didn't have this I would be dying of some other deadly disease. What a positive uplifting sort of a chap you are, full of brightness and promise for a better future. The thrust of my thread is to imagine a world without the Muslim filth. All you have to do is think of everyone living their lives, raising their families, going to work without the spectre of ''The Muslim Psychopath'' and their suicide bombers. There are of course other violent groups around including the drug cartels, other terrorist groups like the remnants of the I.R.A. filth. However, as we're addressing the Muslim filth, other violent groups or individuals form no meaningful part of this debate. An absence of Muslims would instantaneously improve the life for millions of people worldwide. Bring up the topic of other murderous groups under separate cover and I'm sure a lot of people will respond.

Side: Peace & prosperity.
fyha(53) Disputed
1 point

Let me remind that you are not a Muslim. What information you know about Muslims is 1/10th of what you. All you people do (referring to non-Muslims) is that you criticize Muslims just because all of you i literally mean ALL OF YOU! know the fact that Muslims are going to out number you and they always prove your theories wrong! Do you have any idea what "jihad" is? let me guess.....NO!

Let me phrase it this way, "people" (yes people not MUSLIMS) who cause trouble in this world do not follow any religion, since they are born and brought up in that religion they are said to be of that . In other words I'll just say all you people know is how to ACCUSE when you yourself know that you have no point to prove Muslims wrong. You dint even know this fact that people who did cause trouble themselves say that they are Muslims but NEVER follow the religion. Such people also have their punishments in the hereafter, so you become no one to judge them.

NO MUSLIM is a TROUBLE , its the mental thinking of others.

Islam is not a women oppressing religion, tell me any one woman who has protested against being oppressed. Found any? NONE! We are happy of what is given to us. the way we are asked to dressed, because you don't know the fact that there is ALOT of reward for the one who follows Islam in the best possible way.

it is not a stupid religion. Have you read the Quran to tell what is written? Have you ever seen the rewards and punishments? What you call women oppressing and male superiority is what we call the best advantage of seeking paradise. What you see is not what it actually is. You have never tried to want to know why we do it. All you see is "Oh she is covered, its because she follows Islam. Oh he is allowed to drive and move around, its because of Islam. Islam is definitely oppressing." This is what you know.

Islam doesn't need to be approved by ANYONE! an it never WAS! Did you know that what you call "early man" was our first prophet who WAS a MUSLIM!?

HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT? YOU HAVE NEVER READ OR KNOWN QURAN OR ISLAM FOR THAT.

I don't know what emotion this information will bring you , but let me tell you , it is a sign of the day of judgment that Muslims will no longer be left in the world....BECAUSE ( i am not done yet) ....you don't know the major and even worse TROUBLES that are there at the time of the Resurrection day, that our god has promised to protect us from it.( the reason why we wont be left at the end, and it will only be you going through that trouble) You think its peace? You don't know what is waiting for you after us.

Side: Boring news. No atrocities.

This is the best thing I've seen in a while. Not only would the Western world be a much safer place and we would have a lot of extra money but also the Middle East would be able to progress socially and specifically. There would be much more rights for women and tolerance.

Side: Peace & prosperity.
1 point

this is coming from an ex Muslims, indeed the world would be a way better place. women would be free, pedophilia wont be okay ( Mohammad married a 6 years old then fucked her when she was 9 so marrying a kid is okay as long as she puberty), less hate and i can go on and on. its such a terrible religion. read the quran its the creepiest thing on earth.

Side: Peace & prosperity.
4 points

I don't see any inherent uniqueness to the violent tendencies of Islam. I think the problem with Islam is regional. I think life is hard for people in those desert areas and they use violence as a coping mechanism. I think whatever would replace Islam would also be violent.

Side: Boring news. No atrocities.
1-26-14-25(87) Disputed
2 points

I disagree with what you have said here (Though not some of your other comments which I didn't read and might agree with) on the same topic.

Your misguided thought that life for desert peoples is difficult and that they use violence as a "coping mechanism" is quite frankly ridiculous.

Violence is either forced upon a people or the choice of an individual. In the case of the middle east, a claim can be made that the uprisings in Egypt, Libya (Arab Spring) etc. are forced as it is the oppressed peoples fighting against an evil feudalistic government,

However, in the case of terrorists (Which we are talking about)---read my post to the left where I say Islam and terrorism are two sides of the same hamburger---it is in no way a coping mechanism.

It is a simply a crazy and barbaric sect of Islam going popcorn on everybody because of stupid and wrong convictions.

PS: This is unrelated but is your icon a guy from the show "South Park"?

I've never seen south park but I hear it's a nice show. Is it?

Side: Peace & prosperity.
1 point

It is from the show South Park. It is the character named Eric Cartman. The show is very good. It is a little vulgar though. They have a lot of creative concepts and are able to discuss current events.

Side: Peace & prosperity.
Antrim(1287) Clarified
1 point

I feel that any religion which can spawn so many fanatical and brutal murderers must have satanic roots. Slowly, ( well maybe not so slowly) Islam is having a devastating impact on western society and is challenging the freedoms which so many people sacrificed their lives to retain. As our values and culture are eroded by the influence of Islam so is the ''way of the Muslim'', such as mutilation of the female genitals, sharia law and crimes of, so called houour becoming commonplace. If the brains of these hysterical psychopaths become frizzled in the sun then let them knock seven bells out of each other in the deserts of the Middle East without slaughtering westerners who are just going about their everyday life in their own countries. They scurry around like rats hiding behind their burquas, beards and ski masks plotting their next atrocity. The Muslim bullet is going to have to be bitten sooner or later.

Side: Peace & prosperity.
Cartman(18192) Clarified
3 points

I feel that any religion which can spawn so many fanatical and brutal murderers must have satanic roots.

That's kind of stupid since Satan hardly kills anyone in the Bible.

Slowly, ( well maybe not so slowly) Islam is having a devastating impact on western society and is challenging the freedoms which so many people sacrificed their lives to retain.

Probably due to jealousy.

The rest of your post goes away from imagining a world without Muslims, so I am not sure if I should respond at all.

Side: Peace & prosperity.
1 point

Re: "I think the problem with Islam is regional." It's worldwide. Just look to Europe and all the problems they have there, Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand; it's just what they do.

Side: Peace & prosperity.
TrumpsHair(310) Disputed
3 points

Interesting. The Philippines are majority Catholic, Vietnam is split between 6 religions (none of the major ones being Islam), Europe (obviously) is predominantly Christian, and Indonesia, while it certainly has its problems, is nothing like Afghanistan, Pakistan or Yemen, the three of which are nothing like the UAE or Saudi Arabia.

Incidentally, the places where Islam takes its most violent forms are the poorest, least developed countries. That also applies to Christianity, where its most violent forms are located in the poorest countries, such as African Christian countries that execute homosexuals and employ female genital mutilation alongside general female oppression (including forcing them to wear headscarves).

Do you really not see a socioeconomic link there?

Side: Boring news. No atrocities.
Cartman(18192) Disputed
3 points

Europe is being attacked by the Islamists from the Middle East. We don't see the kinds of violence you are referring to in Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, or Thailand. In those regions you have the standard hate every other religion complex that is seen with religions.

Side: Boring news. No atrocities.
1 point

These options are so incredibly biased. You're not creating debate, you're creating traps and bait.

Imagine a world without Christians. No violent and bloody Crusades, no Inquisition, no raging wars throughout the European continent over 500 years that killed millions.

Sipping coffee at an airport, not having to worry about someone murdering you for not reading the bible.

Side: Boring news. No atrocities.
Antrim(1287) Disputed
2 points

I've no intention of getting into a 'whataboutery'' tit for tat exchange with you, but for the sake of accuracy I will point out the following for your education. The Crusades were triggered as a consequence of, the appropriation of Jerusalem ( a sacred place for Christians) and other holy places of Palestine and the slaughter of 3000 Christian Pilgrims in Jerusalem by Muslims. Christian churches were either destroyed or turned into stables. As this persecution continued Christendom reacted. The inquisition was a shameful period of history for which the Roman Catholic Church will stand forever condemned. Roman Catholicism violates the doctrine of the Bible in numerous fundamental ways and is not considered by many to be part of the Christian faith but more of a cult. The European wars to which you refer were the result of the harnessing of aggressive nationalism by megalomaniacs such as Hitler. Neither of the two world wars were associated in any way with religion. The European wars were not fought in the name of any god nor was religious faith cited as justification for the carnage. However, it should be recognized that if at any point in history and including the present, Muslims had the ability to wage global warfare with weapons of mass destruction they would have done so, and would be doing exactly that now. I'm talking about now, right now. There is no doubt that the world would be significantly safer, happier and prosperous if Muslim filth didn't exist.

Side: Peace & prosperity.
verbluffen Disputed
1 point

30 years war. 80 years war. The Schmalkaldic Wars, the French Wars of religion, which encompassed eight different wars, not to mention literally all of the Troubles caused by hatred between Catholics and Protestants. Not to forget all of the Jacobite invasions, and this is just in Britain alone. The Northern Crusades, and the first Crusade itself.

We know today that the supposed 'atrocities' committed by Muslims in the middle east were inflated to sound much more vicious than they were. Most Christian actually lived happily in Seljuk-controlled Palestine, as long as they paid the Jizya. We all know that the Crusades were just a ploy for Urban II to unify Christendom, as there was already the dispute with Clement III to deal with. It was also an opportunity for Alexios Komnenos to retake the land lost by his predecessor's incompetence, and supposedly restore the Byzantine Empire.

And let's not forget the amazing brutalities committed by Christians during the Crusades. Like the MULTIPLE bands of Crusaders, specifically those led by Peter the Hermit, who decided that it was too much hassle trying to reach Jerusalem, and instead resolved that looting and pillaging the Serbian and Hungarian countryside was the best option. Their relentless slaughter of Jews and the Byzantine garrisons defending them meant that they had killed many Christians, many Byzantines and many, many Jews by the time they reached Constantinople, with not one Muslim slain to their name.

Once they finally got over into Turkish territory, it wasn't better. Because it was Seljuk land, the Crusaders said that they could basically do whatever they want, like, I dunno, slaughter all the civilians. And that they did. All the inhabitants of Western Anatolia, nearly all of whom were Greek speaking Christians who had been Roman subjects just years ago, were killed without mercy and their towns burned, because they belonged to the Turks and hey, all's fair in love and war.

And once they finally DID get to Jerusalem, what happened? Oh yeah, everyone died. The Crusaders got in and started killing everything they could. Muslim, Jew and gentile alike. Slaughtered by the thousands by bloodthirsty knights. Only the Prince Tancred tried to halt the massacre, by offering Muslims shelter in a mosque. By the time he had returned from fighting, every one of them had been murdered.

This was just the first crusade. Let's not forget that there were almost ten more, each with a corresponding level of brutality. Talk of Muslim aggression is overplayed by a lot. And even if this supposed 'oppression' was NEARLY as bad as you claim it to be, it certainly does not justify the wholesale slaughter of thousands of people by these supposed liberators.

Side: Boring news. No atrocities.
foratag(257) Disputed
2 points

Hey Verbluffen, I got news for you. If Christianity were never around many if not all the wars in Europe still would have happened, they just would have fought over something else. Study your history over the past thousand years and you will see that religion was not the only factor in almost every war. In fact, religion had absolutely nothing to do with it in some to many cases. Now you know something that you didn't a few minutes ago.

Side: Peace & prosperity.
1-26-14-25(87) Disputed
1 point

I disagree with this categorically, that is on only one category, your mentioning of the crusades. As a historical "correctionist" I must say that you have assumed the wrong idea about the crusades. True the pope was evil and it is also right in saying that the christian armies massacred many innocents but the crusades were also necessary to stop a muslim take over of what was the "civil" world at the time. Civil world meaning Europe which was more tolerant. You should look up some history videos. The crusades were not good but they weren't evil either.The reason why we all can choose our religons today is because of them.

Side: Peace & prosperity.
1 point

Or better yet imagine a world without any deity based religions, no bigotry, sexism, deity envy, religious based hatred (islamophobia), misguided ancient deity based morality, no martyrdom, ect..

It would improve the world by leaps and bounds

Side: Boring news. No atrocities.
1-26-14-25(87) Disputed
2 points

I disagree with this as "Islamaphobia" is actually quite justified. If you have no criminal record, no mental instability record and am an otherwise upstanding citizen but your brother is a mad axe wielding (or rather bomb strapping) murderer, I have a legitimate right to be afraid of YOU.

Also your over-generalization of categories: "bigotry, sexism, deity envy, misguided ancient deity based morality" is an over-generalization. Many otherwise logical and good ideas and arguments have been unfairly bashed in the stupid social media of the insane, demotist movement leaders of America and the (UN)civilised world.

PS: That was a pun. I hate the United Nations. Now, i'm waaaay too busy to give comments on that and it's also off topic, so I have no objections if you object to this (Only what is written in this PS note). I will probably write on it some other time.

Side: Peace & prosperity.
1 point

A problem cannot be redressed until it is addressed. Unfortunately the problem cannot even be addressed as according to a few people who must have been living on the moon for the last couple of decades, Muslims do not represent a threat. ''The degree of liberalism which people afford a particular problem is always in direct proportion to their distance from that problem''.

Side: Peace & prosperity.
smilinbobs(590) Clarified
1 point

I didn't disagree that religious extremists are a a threat to humanity. currently it is the Islamic faith that has the title the most brutal followers of God. in the early written history it was the Hebrews killing those with different Gods for a while it was the Christians killing those of a different faith. The point I was making is that people use religion as a reason to kill others or discriminate against others. It is a detriment to humanity for religious people to judge others based on their religious belief system. To clarify my comment: (sexism) in some religions females have no standing; I was siting islamaphobia as one of the (religious based hatreds); (misguided ancient deity based morality), the religious hatred of homosexuals; martyrdom people who in the name of god are willing blow themselves up in a crowd of infidels or to kill the people at an abortion clinic. What my point was that humanity would be much better without that religious garbage.

Side: Peace & prosperity.
1 point

Absolutely no doubt, but that more comprehensive clearance could safely wait until the Muslims had all disappeared up their own rectums.

Side: Boring news. No atrocities.
1 point

Hmm. Then Israel following WWII would have become a larger swath of the Middle East, which means the Jews would control a large amount of oil, and now we'd be fighting with them instead over oil.

Meanwhile back in the US a larger swath of angry blacks would be in your Christian churches instead of becoming Muslim, which would hold some sway on the direction of your Christian churches. You'd probably have an internal power struggle going on.

Side: Boring news. No atrocities.