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Then we'd REALLY have a legitimately elected Republican POTUS … if we could find a real Republican, and he/she MAY have gotten about 60 million more votes than Trump! Me being one of them! ;-)
If you don't have qualifying health coverage, you must pay a penalty known as the individual shared responsibility payment.
The penalty is 2.5% of your household income or $695 per adult — whichever is higher. The fee rises with inflation. Final 2018 amounts will be published when available.
So if you don’t have health insurance, you have to spend money on a penalty — and pay for all of your health care yourself.
YES! YES! It WOULD be unbelievable if Obama was a Nazi! In MANY states you would be fined for not having auto insurance if you were driving. It's another one of those things that required you to "pay your fair share" to have the benefits, like a union. Like being a member of a country club. You HAVE to pay your fair share. Nothing Nazi-ish about unions.
Why should everyone pay for a young persons motorcycle accident, or drunk driving accident if THEY are not putting into the kitty!?? What's "Nazi-ish" about THAT???
By the way, he IS fining us for having no health insurance! WE have to pay the whole shebang if some have no health insurance, one way or another! MUCH better to have a "kitty" to draw from that THEY have, at least, contributed to! I admit it's "socialistic" …. most of the good things we pay taxes for, or memberships for, ARE!
I never heard of a union you couldn't leave. You want a non-union job, go for it.
We are obligated to care for someone injured or dying in hospitals. You can't "stop" getting sick or injured like you can not wish to drive. Somebody HAS to pay, one way or the other.
A socialistic, democratic government is controlled by THE PEOPLE. A nationalistic government is just that. Nationalizing an industry puts in control of the government, not usually controlled by THE PEOPLE
A socialistic, democratic government is controlled by THE PEOPLE. A nationalistic government is just that. Nationalizing an industry puts in control of the government, not usually controlled by THE PEOPLE
I never heard of a union you couldn't leave. You want a non-union job, go for it.
A very recent SCOTUS ruling made it so that more people could work non-union. Didn’t know you liked that ruling.
We are obligated to care for someone injured or dying in hospitals.
By “we” you include me, and by “obligated” you mean by law. I don’t approve.
You can't "stop" getting sick or injured like you can not wish to drive. Somebody HAS to pay, one way or the other.
Somebody has to pay for everything. Difficulties and catastrophes befall everyone. Other peoples’ difficulties and catastrophes should not be paid for by people who have no choice under pain of imprisonment.
A socialistic, democratic government is controlled by THE PEOPLE.
It is no more controlled by THE PEOPLE then any other representative government. Those representatives will always be the ones making the final decisions. And if it were truly, literally controlled by THE PEOPLE it would be a riotous lynch mob and we would cease to be a nation in short order.
A nationalistic government is just that. Nationalizing an industry puts in control of the government, not usually controlled by THE PEOPLE
THE POLITICIANS in THE GOVERNMENT represent THE PEOPLE. If you truly want control in the hands of the seething masses, then you are not a democratic socialist, you are a communist hoping for Utopia. Incidentally, when a country nationalizes an industry, they do exactly the same thing as when they socialize and industry.
I ALWAYS liked the right of someone to work non-union, if it was allowed, however they should not be paid as well, or get the benefits the dues paying members fought for. They have rights, but union members have (had) rights too.
You don't approve of caring for a sick or injured person that has no money? Well, I suppose Jesus loves you … I just don't know why … or for sure. Do YOU?
Don't have a "team spirit" do you. Do you approve of veterans who go to war and DIE for U.S.? Should we all pay for flying their remains home, or just let his/her wife/husband foot the bill? After all, we have NO RIGHT to use YOUR money! :-(
So we should have NO government? We should live by the "law of the jungle", every man for himself!
Those representatives are SUPPOSED to make the decisions by knowing just WHAT decision the majority of their constituents WANT, not just make the decision THEY want!
You obviously don't play well with others. Find your own country, THIS one is a democratic republic, has been for many years, you don't like it you can leave! WE give you that right.
You don't approve of caring for a sick or injured person that has no money?
I don't approve of someone taking my money, skimming a bunch off the top for "admin", then using the rest to pay for something that I have no say in, no responsibility for, and no stake in.
Do you approve of veterans who go to war and DIE for U.S.?
No. Why would I find approval in their death? I assume you really mean to ask if I approve of funding our military via taxes and the answer is yes. The reason is because national defense necessarily benefits the entire population regardless of who pays. Thus, general taxation for funding is reasonable.
So we should have NO government?
Capitalism requires the rule of law, which requires government. The question is how that government should be used and what laws are appropriate for a free people. Government usurpation of private property rights via nationalization is not conducive to maintaining a free people.
THIS one is a democratic republic, has been for many years, you don't like it you can leave! WE give you that right.
The "republic" aspect counters and limits the "democratic" aspect so that we don't fall into mob rule, or tyranny of the majority. It's a framework, not a moral edict. Being a democratic republic does not justify improper governmental acts, such as nationalization of sectors. Redirecting our governmental efforts toward socialism brings all the economic problems associated with it. If it goes far enough, it will bring the tyranical issues associated with it. As you said, this is a democratic republic, if you want democratic socialism, you have the right to leave, as many people will attempt if Bernie space-cases get their way.
1. Government FOR, BY and OF the people should guarantee that YOU have a say in it. WE have to work together to GET THAT BACK, not undermine democracy, as you do.
2. "Thus, general taxation for funding is reasonable." So, the funding of schools, snow removal, police and fire protection, etc. is ALSO reasonable, I would think … "it benefits the entire population, regardless of who pays" … like most other socialistic government projects … is reasonable.?
3. "Capitalism requires the rule of law" … The question is what laws are appropriate for a "free people". Certainly NOT the laws "appropriated by" lobbyists, in the INTEREST of those capitalists! THAT allows corporate "usurpation" that is not conducive to the benefits of that "rule of law".
4. I agree, socialism CAN go too far, (which is the reason I DIDN'T vote for Bernie), just as capitalism HAS gone too far. If capitalism goes too far (and it's a bit over the edge NOW), it WILL bring the same oligarchical situation that exists in Russia today, and in America in the late 1800's. The "republic aspect" is the problem, at the moment. Conservative politicians (and a few others), are paying little attention to their constituents wishes and more attention to their ability to make big bucks off their jobs! We have a right side weighted government that NEEDS a heavy, left side counterweight at the moment to bring U.S. back into balance FOR THE PEOPLE, not the rich capitalists who are gorging themselves on our money … under "rules of law" that they made (or paid for) with money from tax breaks that they ALSO made, or paid for! (Made easier by the "rule of law" called Citizens United)!!
1. Government FOR, BY and OF the people should guarantee that YOU have a say in it. WE have to work together to GET THAT BACK
Our powers to elect are unchanged.
So, the funding of schools, snow removal, police and fire protection, etc. is ALSO reasonable, I would think …
Almost. Fire in a city is a hazard to everyone, since buildings are so close. Fire is a public matter. Rural citizens are neither at risk of neighboring buildings, nor do they put others at risk, nor will they ever benefit from a fire dept too far away. Rural citizens being taxed for fire is only justified by most FD's expanded role to make them relevant to the country.
like most other socialistic government projects … is reasonable.?
Not at all. One cannot help but benefit from public goods, such as street lights and police pressence. Everyone necessarily benefits. This is not the case for most socialist programs, where you benefit if you take part, but not otherwise.
Certainly NOT the laws "appropriated by" lobbyists, in the INTEREST of those capitalists!
Free market capitalism would not have the government meddling in the economy, for good or ill. There would be institutional barriers, such as in the Constitution. This is not what we have. Lobbying for government sway is the opposite of market forces.
just as capitalism HAS gone too far.
This isn't correct.
Conservative politicians (and a few others), are paying little attention to their constituents wishes
Conservative politicians are ignoring approximately half the country. That half is not their constituency. It is the half that you are in, which means they are ignoring you. Which is why you're angry, but that doesn't make you correct.
not the rich capitalists who are gorging themselves on our money
If someone has stolen from you, I suggestion you report it to the police.
The money made by businessmen is NOT your money. Money kept instead of paid to the state is NOT your money. The only money that is yours that isn't at your disposal is TAX money. If some corporate welfare program gives your money to some business, bitch to them because that's not Capitalism. If I keep more of the money I made, keep your hands off. That's Capitalism.
The current admin isn't responsible for bank bailouts or Solindra style chronyism. THAT was your money. MINE isn't.
It is who is available to be elected that is the issue, as you know full well. Why do you deliberately use fallacies like only including half of the parameters?
Your posts are literally an exercise in the abuse of logic. All of them.
We disagree about a lot, and this is a debate website. It only makes sense to contradict the things people say here that I disagree with. Sometimes it gets a bit too focused on the details, but those are still disagreements on a debate site.
I’m sure we have a few things to agree on as well, but I come to debate sites for the disagreement.
YES! YES! It WOULD be unbelievable if Obama was a Nazi! In MANY states you would be fined for not having auto insurance if you were driving. It's another one of those things that required you to "pay your fair share" to have the benefits, like a union. Like being a member of a country club. You HAVE to pay your fair share. Nothing Nazi-ish about unions.
Why should everyone pay for a young persons motorcycle accident, or drunk driving accident if THEY are not putting into the kitty!?? What's "Nazi-ish" about THAT???
By the way, he IS fining us for having no health insurance! WE have to pay the whole shebang if some have no health insurance, one way or another! MUCH better to have a "kitty" to draw from that THEY have, at least, contributed to! I admit it's "socialistic" …. most of the good things we pay taxes for, or memberships for, ARE!
Crazy AL there are many Nazis that inhabit the Socialist Mind ! Can you define them and then find them ????? LMAO
There are no Nazis inhabiting MY socialist mind, or the mind of any socialist I know. You accuse us of "being" Nazis, while you (and yours) do Nazi things … the conservative way!
I can find ONE. It's the ONE that wants to take away the First Amendment Rights of proven patriots that simply disagree with him and rightfully (at least in the minds of many), criticize him. I could go on, but, you'd just laugh your ass off 'cause you can't "undefine" the dick!
It would be a really STUPID message if it was anything but a stupidly made up message from YOUR party. I have nothing against anyone who votes against a socialist. I never voted for a "real [democratic] socialist", like Bernie, in my life. I HAVE voted for a few Republicans when THAT Party existed. It doesn't look like it will be coming back so I won't be able to again. The choices are very slim now, I may just HAVE to vote for a democratic socialist, certainly NOT a Trumpist/Putanist. That is, if we still have the RIGHT to vote another time
The Right To Vote AL is what you Leftist are opposing and complaining about it does you no good at this point. Here is your message for all to see written in your words - NOT a Trumpist/Putanist.
So anyone that votes against your wishes from this point forward are Russian. Your IGNORANCE is glaringly STUPID
Fair enough. It is ironic that most prolifers oppose Mdicare for all....................................................................................................
