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yes, dictators unwelcomed. no, let the KGB flourish.
Debate Score:16
Arguments:10
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In the interests of world peace, should Putin step down as well?

yes, dictators unwelcomed.

Side Score: 5
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no, let the KGB flourish.

Side Score: 11
0 points

Putin is unpopular in the US because he has made himself a permanent fixture in the Russian government. He has also acted with extreme aggression to the countries around Russia.

We value freedom and oppose tyranny. On the other hand, this is kind of a funny thing to debate about, because of course he won't step down, that's half of the problem :p

As far as the Nuclear defense system, I don't think we would have a problem with Russia installing a nuclear DEFENSE program in canada, but who am I to say.

I find it funny that everyone blames Bush for all of this too. It's a totally seperate arguement, so I won't list it here, but... well, I won't :)

Side: yes, dictators unwelcomed.
-1 points

The removal of the George Bush doctrine by the American people is a clear voice

of our intent as a nation, that we the people desire peace and harmony with our

world neighbors and we have spoken. The obstacles that remain include the

deceptive and honorless Russian dictator Putnin. Lets get one thing straight

about Russia, there is no president there, just an illusion. Putnin pulls the strings like a Mafia godfather. He manipulated a person who was easy to manipulate (G.Bush) and who could not see through the "thug" KGB Putnin is.

The world media and citizens are always quick to denounce the injustices of the

Bush administration because they can without fear or threat. Try to denounce

Putnin in Russia, or the creep in Venezuela or Iran, and you disappear or wish

you'd kept your mouth shut. Why don't the citizens of this world voice their

displeasure against the "organized political crime units of the world"?

To the citizens of Russia, most Americans have no desire to ever cause you any

harm, to maintain a cold war policy towards you, or approve of a missle defense

shield without mutual cooperation. That's Bush, not us! And he will soon be

history. Once before you arose as a nation to better yourselves and if world

peace is to ever have any hope, you need Putnin to be history as well. Think

about it, what one thing has he done to promote world peace? He is a self-

centered thug who will never step down voluntarily. I believe most Russians

feel the same about peace, but I do understand you cannot speak out like

you would care to. There is no sound reason why we cannot be friends and

be good world neighbors. War is not what we think about in this country and

Putnin's rhetoric is nothing more than his personal preference to alienate us.

I am an American, I do not condone the aggression initiated by Georgia. The

Bush response was his, not the will of the people. The Russian response was

excessive as well. The ordinary people understand this, why not the politicians?

If what I say is wrong, then let Putnin and me go fishing, in Russia or here, lets

put the hogwash inflammatory agendas behind us and live as human beings

should, not to be our own worst enemies. If Putnin has any aspirations toward

world peace then start talking about it, practicing it, and lead by example. The

world does not need any more war mongers. I would be enlightened if my

judgements were wrong.

Since I envision Putnin as the phony backstabber he is in my opinion, yes, in

the interests or world peace, he should step down.

Side: yes, dictators unwelcomed.
xaeon(1095) Disputed
2 points

Putin. P. U. T. I. N.

It is hardly a dictatorship. Putin is extremely popular in Russia. Medvedev was the elected president, as Putin was unable to be elected again, but he chose to name Putin as Prime Minister as, like I said, he is extremely popular in Russia.

And to be honest, I don't really think Russia are in any way bothered about the US. You can hardly blame them for their aggression in regards to the proposed missile system in Poland. Would you allow Russian missiles in Canada? Nope.

Putin has bettered Russia in regards to actual Russians. He's overseen steadily rising oil prices and cheap credit from western banks, the economy bouncing back from crisis, GDP increasing six-fold, poverty cut more than half, and average monthly salaries increasing by 150%. His human rights record is, as you say, sketchy. But your rhetoric is sadly misplaced towards the Russian people, who happen to think Putin is great.

Side: yes, dictators unwelcomed.
0 points

No, were talking about Putnin, what you never heard of him? (joke)

Anyway, your overstating his popularity. Much of that has to do with people being afraid to speak poorly of him, and of course cheating at elections.

That aside, the list of popular leaders who in spite of their popularity it would have been in the interest of world peace had they stepped down (which of course they never do) is pretty long. That's the premise of the arguement I think.

At any rate, it hardly matters, because even if he stepped down, another would step in much the same as he.

And what was the name of that sovereign country they invaded for no reason? I mean we're one to talk I guess, but just because we had a sh&#ty;president doesn't mean we can't complain about someone else's sh&#ty;president.

Side: no, let the KGB flourish.
2 points

You've so much to say about him but you can't seem to get his name spelled correctly. It is Vladimir Putin and he is no longer the President of Russia, Dmitri Medvedev is with Putin being his Prime Minister. Putin has been an extremely popular President and is still a viable member of the Russian Government as Prime Minister. Medvedev was groomed for the position by Putin since he is in agreement with Putin policies and they see eye to eye. The U.S. and Russia have enjoyed a very successful relationship through the years but the relationship had taken a downward turn with George Bush as our President in recent years. There is no doubt in my mind that President-elect Obama will bring that relationship back up to where it belongs.

The U.S.A. and Russia must remain on friendly terms lest the threat of nuclear war hang over our heads at all times. We are able to work together and will continue to do so. The cold war is long gone and unless something unforeseen occurs, it won't be back! In many ways Russia is still finding its true self in the 21st century. Do you have any idea of how many political parties Russia has and how many are Democratic? It takes many years for a country like the U.S.S.R. to break apart into several smaller countries and find their way to a viable political system. It was one way, since the Russian Revolution, for so long that I can but imagine the effort on everyone's part to make this transition and build it from the ground up.

The "creep" in Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, and the other creep in Iran, Mamoud Ahmadinejad along with Dmitri Medvedev don't go around kidnapping people and making them disappear! That's a pretty amazing statement to make without proof.

There are no dictator's that are welcome in the world but they've always been there and most likely always will unless they all have an epiphany right after Christmas at some year or other. The American people did NOT remove the Bush Doctrine, it is still in place! I don't know where you get your information from but it is faulty.

Side: yes, dictators unwelcomed.
2 points

First of all as others have pointed out, Putin isn't the president of Russia right now and thus legally isn't in control of Russia. Also Putin is popular in Russia for what he has done for the country. After the breakup of the Soviet Union the majority of the population's living standards dropped and the economy was even more crippled. Russia still has a long way to go but Putin, while he was president, has done a lot to raise the living standard and get the economy going even if it is still slow. Putin isn't a bad person, but he is bad in the eyes of many Americans because he doesn't blindly and passively accept all US foreign policy. In the interest of world peace we shouldn't try to continually demonize Putin or Russia just because they don't agree with some of the United States foreign policies such as the missile shield program being developed in Poland and the Czech republic. In the interest of world peace the United States and Russia need to be willing to compromise and listen to each others concerns and ideas. This isn't the cold war and there is no reason why any country should seek increased tensions for the sake of power and influence in areas they have no positive plan or intentions for. Putin has dealt with the United States in a way other nations should have. He didn't easily get pushed aside by hollow assurances of honesty or promises from the United States. He didn't accept United States polices on presentation and face value alone. He didn't worry more about upsetting the US government than about protecting his citizens. He wasn't afraid to stop dealing with a nation that doesn't care whatsoever for his citizens. In the interest of world peace nations should put aside their pride, put aside the commanding religion, put aside the economic system and just worry about the protection of their citizens from those who mean harm either directly as in warfare or indirectly as in denying aid to those in need.

Side: no, let the KGB flourish.