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Because the majority of people are still held back by their arbitrary moral tastes. It is my opinion that your morals are irrelevant to the grand scheme of the universe. In other words; they ain't worth shit.
Now there are certain things that are "wrong" (I use the term loosely, I don't believe in right or wrong, but I can't think of a better word right now) because they harm other people. Like murder, or rape. And thus it follows that these should be illegal, seeing as the powers that be are obliged to protect their people.
But take something like bestiality. Is it disgusting, gross, or anything else? By most arbitrary standards, yes. But let's once again review what the powers that be have to do. Protect their people. Anything else should not be dealt with by these powers, and left to the people to preserve freedom.
Does fucking animals hurt the people? Only if the animal of another person is fucked, in which case that should be illegal. What about animals that aren't owned by anyone? Does it hurt anyone?
No.
So why is it illegal? Which takes us back to the arbitrary moral standards.
I really do not encourage bestiality, and I feel zoophiles should seek medical help to be honest, but let's face the facts. Bestiality hurts no-one, and thus should be legal.
In our increasingly liberal society, I do find it strange that people are so passionately against bestiality.
it almost mirrors the way homophobes treat homosexuality. In an age where liberal values, sexual freedom and social progress are upheld - it's outright paradoxical to ban something only because someone finds the act, which is harmless, disgusting.
Saying that it's disgusting is quite a weak defence. I'm sure you'd laugh at anyone who thinks ''it's disgusting'' is a good knock-down argument against homosexuality.
Unless of course you are against homosexual relations.
If there is no severe force involved, like forcing it to have sex with you or anything violent or extremely degrading, I don't see why it should be illegal for people who own willing pets to have sex with them. Animals have sexual instinct, which could be interpreted as "lack of intelligent consent", but it also can be interpreted as "animals want to have sex, and you do too, so if Whiskers doesn't mind, there is no reason not to."
If there is no severe force involved, like forcing it to have sex with you or anything violent or extremely degrading, I don't see why it should be illegal for people who own willing pets to have sex with them.
Can you tell my why we need consent from animals in regards to having sex with them - yet we don't apparently need consent to eat them, test medicines on them, put them in zoos, use them in sports, put them in circuses, or take them for a walk?
We already forcefully inseminate mares, force various animals to breed for the sake of livestock and/or purebred specimens - does that mean that human beings are accomplices of rape?
....Perhaps we should start a movement about this issue.
We can join up with the LGBTQ squad. LGBTQZ.
But yes, you do appear to be correct. Although sex is seen as immoral, in reality, it's not nearly as bad as the rest of the stuff PETA rages about. In fact, it's quite a bit more harmless.
Wow, cannot believe you'd say such a thing. Firstly, I'm proud to see that you acknowledge that "it is rather gross." On the other hand, you state: "Animals want to have sex, and you do too, so if whiskers doesn't mind, there is no reason not to."
Have you ever taken into consideration the fact that animals are quite horny and sometimes when lacking sexual activity they consequently begin to express their sexual tendencies on humans by humping their legs and what not. However, this gives a human being NO right to act back and fulfil the animals sexual 'desires'. Rather instead, if the human was really A HUMAN, they would realise how morally wrong it is and the fact that an animal gains much pleasure from intercourse with another animal rather than a bloody human. Also, above all, there's a thing called diseases and viruses. For example, sexual contact with animals can put the person at risk for worms, fleas, ticks, salmonella, campylobacteriosis, scabies, and possibly viruses!!! So put aside the so-called "pleasure" gained from this disgusting act but also bear in mind the long-term affects it has on your health. Thus, this all accounts for the reasons as to why it is still illegal and shall continue to be.
Circumcision. Paying women less than men, despite the same work.
The fact that we buy new cellphones and throw the old ones out without a care, while people in other nations have no cellphones OR FOOD OR FRESH WATER.
Yes, if you want to get into the disease issue, what about driving? Do you think air pollution is a big deal? What about all the deaths that occur due to car accidents? What about McDonalds? Should that be illegal too? All fast food?
You think humans are above animals? Says who? YOU? Yeah, you surely aren't biased.
Yes, animals ARE quite horny, and humans are animals too. Very horny animals.
Do you think if this is legal, that suddenly everyone would start humping their pets? Would you?
The people who are into this will do it anyways, illegal or not.
I couldn't care less what YOU think is gross.
Don't take away my freedoms.
You know what else is gross? Buttsex. You know what I think is a person's freedom? Buttsex.
Morals are different for everyone, in case you haven't realized, and although I also agree that it is wrong to do this to an animal, other people might not, and looking at other arguments here has convinced me that as long as we hold chickens and cows and other farm animals in small cages, born only to die as food for humans, that if you humans can get away with that disgusting behavior, then this, a sign of love, because not all zoophiles likely conform to your idea that they are rapists, I would expect. I'm sure many that do these things are people just like you or me, just with an odd hobby.
As disgusting as it seems to you, to say that others are not allowed to do this on the basis that "it's dangerous" or "gross" is a shit reason and you should not enforce your baseless opinions on other people without adequate reason.
Circumcision is not wrong when done as a baby. You have no memory of it at that age so there's no long term negative side effects psychologically.
Now for a time I was convinced "Yeah, that's fucked up cutting skin off a baby's penis, I'll bet that must have hurt."
But turns out since circumcision is losing popularity the instances of gross-I-don't-clean-my-penis diseases have increased. That's not just bad luck for guys because we tend to just carry stuff around with no problems then give it to girls who inevitably have a way bigger problem with whatever bacteria/disease we're carrying.
It's not a myth, surprise, boys don't wash very well.
Even if they did, it's a pouch and collects bacteria, it's the nature of a pouch.
Sometimes evolution does fuck up. I'm 100% for circumcision.
... the rest of your argument is 100% correct as usual.
Not wrong? I heard lots of guys wish that they hadn't been circumcised. They have regrowth techniques and everything.
It's a big deal to people. I don't think it's morally wrong the way raping a young baby is, but it's certainly a good comparison when talking about bestiality. Just the sort of thing some people don't like, and others are fine with.
Well, I was circumcised and didn't even know what it was till I was an adult. It doesn't bother me in the least. Maybe the doctor just did an exceptional job. I've never heard of anyone who was upset about missing that flap of skin, but I'm sure they exist. Given the choice for myself I would have definitely chosen to be circumcised. It just seems like a pain in the ass cleaning it and it's not like we're running naked through the woods anymore and I need it for protection.
I understand this is a very touchy subject and as such, has been ignored or dismissed. However if we look at the current trends in our society, the illegality and immorality of bestiality is on very weak ground.
While I'm no zoophile myself, in our increasingly liberal society I'm finding it very awkward to be against bestiality. As my professor said - Only someone who is dogmatic and bigoted would opress zoophiles.
Zoophilia is considered animal abuse and has it's grounds more in animal welfare than religious reasons, I think.
If the animal is not able to give full consent, then it goes beyond just dogma stating it's wrong.
However, I think zoophilia is already ok in the way that drugs like marijuana are. If you do it in your own home and tell no one about it, I think you would be safe. There is plenty of porn online about it, and the instinctual nature of animals to have sex separates it from an issue like pedophilia greatly. However, that still does not make actual intercourse with animals ok.
Imagine you are proposed the question, "hey, I can slaughter you and eat you, or fuck you against your will, what do you want?"
The answer's clear...
but, we are animals and we need to eat, and we're not past the stage of eating meat (and fuck you animal rights bitches, I love animals too, but millions of humans would die if we all stopped eating meat (and hence stopped stocking and raising meat) and I like people more than animals... well the idea of people, individually I like animals.)
Back on point, ideally we would only kill animals for survival, and even if it is in the spirit of some hunting and getting in touch with that animal instinct in us, okay, you're still using it.
Sex though, we can help that. We don't need to fuck animals to survive. Well okay I know most hardcore animals-are-people people won't get my point.
I'll put it this way, if we suddenly as a species stopped killing animals for food millions of humans would die. If we as a species completely stopped fucking animals, no humans at all would die, plus those animals would be happier, plus whatever weird diseases that would create would not exist.
Disease? I don't think people into zoophilia exactly contribute to the gene pool in any significant amount. Perhaps they do, but I don't really see that happening as common as a non-zoophile, which is why disease would be limited to just the people into it.
However, I don't think most domesticated animals that people would diddle with would have any truly bad diseases.
We don't need to fuck animals to survive, but we don't need computers or electricity or really anything to survive.
Also, I think the biggest issue is WHO will be fucking these animals? I can't see anyone but people who already do it in the privacy of their own home doing it. I doubt that you or me will do this even if it becomes legal. It's just such a ...strange thing to do that all it would allow was for people who do it anyways to be able to feel safe doing it and get help if they need it without fear of the law.
Well it wasn't sex with an animal, but HIV started, it's believed, from people hunting a particular type of monkey on an island somewhere around the Philippines (though it could be Indonesia, heard it on the radio and forget).
That one near impossible chance that a hunter would have a cut and be bled on by a monkey he was hunting, and the even more unlikely chance that the disease would chance upon cells and be able to multiply, and the slightly higher chance that hunter would go have sex with someone, and that person would have sex with someone else...
Well, that was pretty unlikely, yet it happened, and many diseases probably have an equally unlikely beginning.
It only takes one random thing and time, and all sorts of odd diseases can be spread. Because the immune system of different animals, especially humans compared to various animals, is so different, it can spawn some very odd things.
So sure, it's unlikely. But should zoophilia ever become any type of norm those unlikely chances become more likely. Just takes one random set of circumstances and some time.
