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Uhhhh, NO King George wasn't so bad
Debate Score:31
Arguments:43
Total Votes:31
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In this great country of ours, should a county clerk IMPOSE his religion on you?

Hello:

In a thread that I was BANNED from, the poster thinks it's a wonderful idea for religious minded county clerks to REFUSE to issue marriage licenses to gay people.  In other words, he should IMPOSE his religion onto his citizens..

Should we go back to the days when the government TOLD us what religion to believe?

excon

Uhhhh, NO

Side Score: 12
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King George wasn't so bad

Side Score: 19
2 points

If it's the law then you follow it. If you don't like it then you work to change it but until then you are under the obligation as a person working in the government to enforce and be enforced by the law. Their personal opinion on the matter makes no difference, they are more than welcome to quit and get a job that caters to their ideals better.

Side: Uhhhh, NO

Nope. If the law says that gays can marry, then you issue the licenses or find another job.

Side: Uhhhh, NO
1 point

Hello bront:

So you DO have a liberal streak.............

excon

Side: Uhhhh, NO
2 points

I'm a moderate who leans right. The left pushed me right when they began meddling with the most toxic brands of racism and identity politics in recent history, sending race relations back 50 years. When the left decided being white or male was a cosmic sin, that Islam trumped feminism and gay rights, and that we should become a Socialist Republic, I found the door. There's nothing left on the left for me. They forced out anyone who thinks for themselves and has common sense.

Side: King George wasn't so bad
Amarel(5140) Clarified
1 point

His is the position of a consistent "law and order" conservative.

Side: Uhhhh, NO
TruthPrayer(26) Disputed
1 point

If homosexuality is a mental disorder, it is, and no homosexual orientation exists, then same sex marriage is a lie and King a George wasn't so bad.

Side: King George wasn't so bad
John_C_1812(279) Disputed
1 point

the law doesn't say that Gays can be married to each other, the fabrication of discrimination can be directed to a couple based on man and woman. legal Precedent dictates only that a gay man can be married to a lesbian woman as test for discrimination and that this process must be stopped to be discrimination based by marriage. Precedent and basic principle makes a claim that a discrimination is being performed, a civil law suit can be filed legal or not, so when a witness objects based on discrimination a correction might be guided by impartial judicial separation. A transfer of the burden of legal titling on a new Likelihood was not part of a description of discrimination, the clerks has a responsibility as only witnessing an even at a job, justification is the defending an ongoing likelihood under Constitutional common defense. As this accusation becomes a test of GOD to hold political office. Can the state offer a license for Binivir? As this is an impartial declaration to a public likelihood of two men? Note the clerk is not placed in harms way of the criminal charge of perjury as state licensing is an official document of law.

Side: King George wasn't so bad
1 point

The county clerk shouldn't be in this position as there should not be license requirements, tax breaks, or any other government perks and impositions for marriage. If the government wasn't involved where it never should have been, then marriage privileges wouldn't be so sought after, and anyone who wanted to formalize their relationship could do so in any church that finds the union acceptible (But not in churches that don't).

Side: Uhhhh, NO
excon(14600) Disputed
1 point

Hello again, A:

Shoulda, woulda, coulda... You don't wanna answer because you KNOW the people in your camp are WRONG, WRONG, and even WRONGER than that..

Unless, of course, you'd LIKE to DISAVOW the American Revolution.

excon

Side: King George wasn't so bad
Amarel(5140) Disputed
1 point

Shoulda, woulda, coulda is right. This entire debate is shoulda county clerk...

I don't think you know whose in my camp. I'm not a Christian. I have no problem saying that a government official needs to uphold the law. I also have no problem recognizing that licenses to marry put government where it doesn't belong and that if the government wasn't involved, this wouldn't be an issue that gays or anyone else cares about.

Currently the government does not allow license for multiple marriage partners. Should a county clerk deny religious liberty to a Mormon by not granting his second marriage license? Yes, he should. But that law should be changed too.

Side: Uhhhh, NO
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

EXCON so what if that county clerk was a Muslim and refused to grant a marriage license to homosexuals now would that Muslim you Leftist love be imposing his or her religion on the homosexuals ? What you got to say Basement Boy can you defend it ?

Side: Uhhhh, NO
TruthPrayer(26) Disputed
1 point

Nothing upjmpksted makes any sense, because gays had civil unions. They want to tarnjsh marriage and pollute thr sanctity. In less thsn a year, SSM will be a new virus that was extinguished.

Side: King George wasn't so bad
John_C_1812(279) Disputed
1 point

These so called perks, are not for the title marriage. they are rights granted under Constitutional separation of church and state delegating responsibilities that only a creator by declaration of independence by the Union of a man and woman, as creators of new life and citizens of a State already described and witnessed publicly entitled as a method to legally regulating this specific Constitutional states of a union.

Side: King George wasn't so bad
John_C_1812(279) Clarified
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The only known precedent to the creation of life is medical and is done all by the use of donation for all or part of required materials. The burden of adoption is not part of this willing or unwilling creation process. A child has been created and may be found or find understanding to voice say as witness.

Side: Uhhhh, NO
1 point

Now now, it is not the county clerk's role to impose on the people, that is the role of the Media.

Side: Uhhhh, NO
1 point

EXCON you ever heard of the 1st Amendment ? When comes to religion ? Shall we refresh your mind FRAUD ? I think we will !

Now what does this say and read carefully STUPID !

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

So by this heading -"In this great country of ours, should a county clerk IMPOSE his religion on you?"

1st Amendment says "prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

Are you opposed to the 1st Amendment in this great country or are you to STUPID to understand the 1st Amendment ? Has to be one or the other !

Side: Uhhhh, NO
John_C_1812(279) Disputed
1 point

Outlaw60,

I love the 1st Amendment just about as it applies by Amendment to United States Constitution.

Congress shall pass no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Is a disclaimer to an inalienable truth and one Constitutional fact only. Legislation falls by basic principle upon the state to which Congress represents by assignment of their political office by his/her states voters.

This is in fact is an intellectual way to describe voters have legal obligation that come with the power to vote on political matters of public affairs, for any congressional representative to preserve, protect, and defend the United States Constitution is constitutional legally link to the state of which they reside.

Fact one: The United States Constitution describes a creation of impartial judicial separation, so any Amendment to this document only effects the weight of judicial impartiality.

Fact two: The law which regulates the prohibiting of religious free exercise thereof, comes directly form the Declaration of Independence preamble. Not United States Constitution, so the First Amendment to United States Constitution is not an Amendment made to Declarations of first introduced fact regulating Independence. As in life we are granted liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Liberty is not freedom the basic principle which separates these two words is self-value. Prohibiting the exercise of the lack of self-value is impossible by law, and must be conducted by a state of basic separation under the direction of three things. 1. Basic principle 2. Legal precedent. 3. Impartiality. These three things can be united by state consistently producing an outcome describe generically as separation.

Fact three: The First Amendment is a law. All law can be legally tested in any Court of law. This is among many things a foundation for the construction of Constitutional international law. To which democratic politics may have compromised some basic principles. Hoping to find which laws had or would be broken by civil action without offering a common defense to the general welfare, as it measure of Constitutional law carries a dollar value when performed legally.

All that aside it is nice to see you weighing in on the matter of public likelihoods. Sorry for the long read hope it is understandable. For the record Excon the clerk is imposing religious belief on the Constitutional separation of church and state. The republic considers this a distress call for help. As a clerk is incapable of performing a separation of church and state, be it male or female on their own behalf legally.

Side: King George wasn't so bad
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

As i said before and i will again what if that county clerk was a Muslim and refused to grant a marriage license to homosexuals would that be imposing the religion of that Muslim on those homosexuals ?

Side: Uhhhh, NO

I'm on the line for this one...

If it's legal, then for the greatness of your "great country", you shouldn't have any problem with it.

Side: King George wasn't so bad
1 point

You try to impose your jack ass pot head garbage on everybody else.......so of course you feel like if somebody is telling you the good news of Jesus Christ, you are being imposed upon to give up your sin.

Side: King George wasn't so bad
excon(14600) Disputed
1 point

Hello Now:

Nahhh... If I handed you the joint, you COULD turn it down.. I don't MAKE anybody smoke it..

excon

Side: Uhhhh, NO
TruthPrayer(26) Disputed
1 point

Likewise, if the County clerk turns down the same sex marriage licenses then gays can find a NAMBLA county clerk to sign one

Side: King George wasn't so bad
NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Hi pot head. Have you proved that you have the right to live outside of Hell, and dying is not forever? Smoke another joint, pot head, and in those dark spells when death haunts you, try to tell yourself that you have the right to exist outside of the fire of Hell and dying is only temporary.

Side: Uhhhh, NO

Why do gays like to marry in a Church and be blessed by a God who hates them.

Why won't gays dare marry in a mosque or some budhist temple.

Because it is easier to call yourself a christian and can maneuver the law to unfairly force(others voluntary, they can't be followers of christ)pastors to marry gay or else it is disrespect to the law?

The law in the first place isn't right.

It used force and lack of beneficiary/disadvantaged(citizen) concern to implement it and even forged results when the votes went against the new law.

The clerks as good citizens of America know in their hearts that that is not what America really wants. It's all fake law.

It has nothing to do with religion.

He just won't let peverts have their way.

Side: King George wasn't so bad
1 point

How come gays are not trying to get married in Muslim countries or Russia? Are they afaid of being martyred for thst cause or is it that the cause is not a cause, but an Obama wet dream.

Side: King George wasn't so bad
1 point

EXCON so what if that county clerk was a Muslim and refused to grant a marriage license to homosexuals now would that Muslim you Leftist love be imposing his or her religion on the homosexuals ? What you got to say Basement Boy can you defend it ?

Side: King George wasn't so bad
excon(14600) Disputed
1 point

Hello puppy dog:

Ohhh, I'm getting it.. You think this all about suppressing Christianity, huh??? Sorry, poochy boy. It's about the Constitution, and a Muslim can't impose their religion on us anymore than Christians can..

Now go lie down.

excon

Side: Uhhhh, NO
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

EXCON a Muslim can't impose their religion on anyone if they were a county clerk LMAO !

Side: Uhhhh, NO