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"It was at this time that he published an open letter to a Communist leader assuring him that Nazism and Communism were really the same thing."

William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany

"This government was Papen’s conception, his creation, and he was confident that with the help of the staunch old President, who was his friend, admirer and protector, and with the knowing support of his conservative colleagues, who outnumbered the obstreperous Nazis eight to three, he would dominate it."

It was largely Papen, believing that Hitler could be controlled once he was in the government, who persuaded Hindenburg to appoint Hitler as Chancellor in a cabinet not under Nazi Party domination. However, Papen and his allies were quickly marginalized by Hitler and he left the government after the Night of the Long Knives, during which the Nazis killed some of his confidantes.

William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany

A History of National Socialism (1934) Edit New York: NY, Rutledge, 2010 The Nazi party had been too hasty in incorporating the word ‘Socialist’ in its title, Hitler indeed wished it to be ‘Social Revolutionary.’ p. 85 Hitler expressed it in a form which made it intelligible to the masses. ‘We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany.’ p. 100

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Hi Bronto.

Can you even tell me who you are quoting?

I don't think you can, can you?

You appear to be selectively posting excerpts from the following page:-

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1437584-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-third-reich-a-history-of-nazi-germany?page=3

I put your first quote into Google and ran a search just on the quote itself. Not a single hit. Nothing.

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I'm not bronto. You are Nom though.

The source was provided.

William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany

Deflecting and not responding will not help you here. It helps me. I'm just fine with your non response.

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The source was provided.

I didn't ask you for the source that reported the quote. I asked you who you were quoting, dummy.

Deflecting and not responding will not help you here.

Ahahahaha!

Oh God, you're just so stupid. Lmao.

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"By making the trumped-up Communist threat “official,” as it were, to throw millions of the middle class and the peasantry into a frenzy of fear that unless they voted for National Socialism at the elections a week hence, the Bolsheviks might take over.”

William L. Shirer.

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany.

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A History of National Socialism (1934)

The Nazi party had been too hasty in incorporating the word ‘Socialist’ in its title, Hitler indeed wished it to be ‘Social Revolutionary.’ p. 85

Hitler expressed it in a form which made it intelligible to the masses. ‘We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany.’ p. 100

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Dreadnought(4) Disputed
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"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"

https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/ 2007/sep/17/greatinterviews1

You're not very good at this misrepresentation thing, are you Herr Bronto?

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Hitler: A Biography (1936)

At length a force of three million S.A. men was pushing on behind him [Röhm], and God knew whither they were pushing. There were large numbers of Communists and Social Democrats among them; many of the storm troopers were called ‘beefsteaks—brown and red within.

p. 390

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Der Fuehrer, Hitler’s Rise to Power (1944)

The bourgeois, even the Nationalist Press, began to take fright and talk of Bolshevism and Hitler himself boasted: ‘In our movement the two extremes come together: the Communists from the Left and the officers and students from the Right. These two have always been the most active elements, and it was the greatest crime that they used to oppose each other in street fights.’… Our party has already succeeded in uniting these two utter extremes within the ranks of our storm troops. They will form the core of the great German liberation movement, in which all without distinction will stand together when the day comes to say: The Nation arises, the storm is breaking!’

p. 122

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Röhm coined the slogan that there must be ‘second revolution’, this time, not against the Left, but against the Right; in his diary Goebbels agreed with him. On April 18 he maintained that this second revolution was being discussed ‘everywhere among the people’; in reality, he said, this only meant that first one was not yet ended. ‘Now we shall soon have to settle with the reaction. The revolution must nowhere call a halt.

p. 467

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The twenty-six-year-old Baldur von Schirach, leader of the Hitler youth, who could boast of standing close to Hitler, declared bluntly in those revolutionary June weeks: ‘A socialist and anti-capitalist attitude is the most salient characteristic of the Young National Socialist Germany.’

p. 501

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Dreadnought(4) Disputed
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In our movement the two extremes come together: the Communists from the Left and the officers and students from the Right.

So you are disputing your own argument that Hitler was a socialist by reprinting his actual lies that he represented the centre ground. Good one, moron.

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We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists.

Interview with George Sylvester Viereck, 1923

Go for it Nom. Make an attempt.

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