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Individuality Nationalism
Debate Score:77
Arguments:94
Total Votes:81
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 Individuality (35)
 
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Individuality vs. Nationalism

Is it more important to work together as a nation, or strive to be an individual?

Be yourself all the way?

Or help eachother?

Individuality

Side Score: 41
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Nationalism

Side Score: 36
3 points

Personally, I strive for individuality if you exclude wildlife as being 'others'.

Consequently, in order to strive and achieve 'great' things you must do things that helps others (even investing, in a sense, is helping others).

If I am wrong, name one renowned individual who created/did something that only helped him/herself.

Side: Individuality
1 point

If I am wrong, name one renowned individual who created/did something that only helped him/herself

This is worth re-emphasizing. It's not even possible to better ones self in civil society without helping others.

Side: Individuality
1 point

There is nothing wrong with both.

We are all individuals and each of us can strive to reach whatever goals we set for ourselves and in doing so that can also mean that our own personal achievements also add to the sum of our family, to the sum of our community, and to the sum of our country.

Nationalism is born from individuals and the achievements of their collective endeavours that creates a sense of a unity of purpose.

Side: Individuality
flewk(1192) Disputed
1 point

We can have both.

You have described Nationalism from a capitalistic standpoint, where self-achievement leads to overall benefit.

I would argue this is not the case in practice as seen by every capitalistic nation in the world.

Side: Nationalism
DKCairns(869) Disputed
1 point

You have tunnel vision.

When I worked in North Vietnam the people I worked with did not belong to a capitalist society yet they had goals that they wanted to achieve and in so doing they were proud to be contributing to the benefit of their families, their community and their nation.

You do not have to be a capitalist to engage in achievements that benefit everyone.

Side: Individuality
1 point

I don't see any reason why you can't do both. After all. A nation is made up of individuals.

Side: Individuality
0 points

I prefer to be an individual. .

Side: Individuality
Atrag(5538) Disputed
2 points

Says the person who names herself by combining two political labels.

Side: Nationalism
1 point

Nationalism is more important as it is a basic foundation for society. Every advancement we have achieved has been together as humans.

Irrational xenophobic tendencies are different from nationalism.

Side: Nationalism
joshv(35) Disputed
2 points

I would have to disagree with you. Mostly every advancement we have achieved has been done through people following their own self-interest. and desires.

Side: Individuality
flewk(1192) Disputed
1 point

Almost no scientific advancement was achieved alone. Just because Newton gets the credit doesn't mean he came up with everything alone. I am not referring to the Leibniz controversy. I am referring to the various thinkers who provided the foundations for Newton. The fundamental ideas for calculus and gravitation were presented long before Newton ever published his works. From Archimedes all the way to Fermat, Newton himself recognized the works of his predecessors. "Isaac Newton would later write that his own early ideas about calculus came directly from "Fermat's way of drawing tangents."

Einstein hung the pictures of Maxwell, Faraday, and Newton on his walls to remind him of the people that he "worked with".

Collaboration is a fundamental aspect of discovery.

Side: Nationalism

Nationalism is more vital than single work-United we stand and divide we fall.

Side: Nationalism
joshv(35) Disputed
2 points

Yet almost every innovation that has been created, and benefited society in some way, has been done through self interest.

Side: Individuality

You can still be your individual and unique and still take pride in your nation and strongly identify with it and support it. I can understand why if you lived in a shit country like America you would be unpatriotic but I am fortunate to live in a country worth taking pride in.

Side: Nationalism
GenericName(3429) Clarified
1 point

Just remember who pulled your asses out of WW2, you tea-sipping Torie.

Side: Individuality
2 points

Actually it was us that saved us from the Germans, not you. In 1940, before either the USA or the USSR were in the war and Britain was pretty much on its own against Hitler, we won control of the skies in the Battle of Britain, scotching the threat of a Nazi invasion.

Secondly, with or without you Hitler would have been defeated by the Soviets. 90% of German casualties were on the Eastern front. Your contribution meant very little.

Also you only joined the war for your own selfish reasons. The majority of Americans wanted to leave Britain to it, until the Japanese attacked you.

I am not a tory, "tory" refers to the conservative party and I don't support them, I support the UK Independence Party. Also why do you think there is something bad about drinking tea? It just shows we are more civilized than you. Only barbarians do not drink tea, and I'm not even joking when I say that.

Side: Nationalism
Atrag(5538) Disputed
1 point

What exactly do you think Britain has that America doesn't? The USA has the NSA spying on their own citizens the UK has GCHQ. The USA goes to war, the UK goes to war. They have extreme Christians you have extreme Islam. They are both moral shit holes.

Side: Individuality
1 point

A culture to start with. A language that actually is ours. A history the spans more than a few centuries. Food (from our own country) that is more than some hormone injected, processed meat in a caramelized bun.

We also have less religious people. Muslims are minority in England but Christians a majority in America so they are clearly worse. Being spied on by the government just doesn't worry me that much.

Side: Nationalism