CreateDebate


Debate Info

29
33
Invade Let it be
Debate Score:62
Arguments:45
Total Votes:65
More Stats

Argument Ratio

side graph
 
 Invade (22)
 
 Let it be (23)

Debate Creator

Trudistian(99) pic



Invade Korea/Iran?

I personally believe that we should stay away from these countries, but I want to know what others think.

Invade

Side Score: 29
VS.

Let it be

Side Score: 33
2 points

Korea soon, Iran much later. North Korea has among the highest starvation rate of any other country. This isn't because the country is the poorest, it's because that psychopath Kim Jong Il starves his people intentionally for someone psychopathic reason.

The only difference between him and Hitler in essence is that Kim hasn't done as much as Hitler did... yet.

I really don't support war and death, but that man is evil. It's only a matter of time before he snaps and tries something as crazy as attempting to conquer all of Asia.

We WAITED before attacking Hitler. We waited until he had already killed innocent people and begun trying to conquer all of Europe. I believe in all honesty that invading North Korea and dethroning the Il Dynasty is for the greater good.

ONLY if it is not done recklessly and idiotically though! We lost too many men and killed too many innocent people when dethroning Saddam Hussein! We need to avoid that mistake again and do it right with North Korea.

Side: Invade
2 points

I wasn't aware that Il starves his own people. Thank you for bringing that to light and I might change my opinion.

Side: Invade
2 points

He does a lot more then just that to his people, but I'm glad I could be informative. I believe in stopping suffering, and while war is a horrendously hypocritical stance on ending suffering, sometimes you have to fight against evil... like with WWII. People like to think that Hitler was the last of this ilk, of his mindset, that invading Iraq was a horrible mistake and nothing good came of it... but you know, we killed someone evil. Justice is what matters when suffering is rampant. I do not believe in sitting around doing nothing in the face of injustice. We like doing diplomatic things over violent things nowadays, but you can't reason with psychopaths... you can't reason with Hitler.

Violence begets violence.

But sometimes, justice is worth it.

Getting involved in WWII just because the Japanese attacked us was a mistake. We should have gotten involved in WWII because Hitler was killing millions of people! The same should be said in relation to North Korea. Should we sit on our asses until they make war with China or South Korea? Sure... but sit on our asses STILL until they attack US? NO.

Sorry, I'm ranting. I'll stop now.

Side: Invade

From a strategic stand point, North Korea posses an enormous threat to the world. ( I will not comment on Iran because I have not made up my mind on it yet). Its leader is unpredictable, with no thought on what the consequences of up keeping the brutally deprived regime. His people starve and know of nothing beyond their country, and yet Il likes James Bond movies and exotic cars. This man must be removed from power at all costs, Korea is a very populous nation whose hunger will only get worse.

Side: Invade
garry77777(1796) Disputed
3 points

I think you'll find one of the greatest threats to world peace right now is Isreal, and the US action in pakistan, pakistan is at bioling piont, and the US unmaned drones that keep bombing them are providing fuel to a fire that is already bruing quite brightly, as for Isreal, they are unwilling to end the conflict legally based on the June 1967 borders, and the US backes them fully in their imperial conquest of palestian land, if they choose to attack Lebannon as they have done in the past, and it is my belif they will because they have been beaten twice by the Hezbullah, they could easily start WW3, Hezbullah are ready for any attack and will respond in kind unlike previous confrontations down thorugh the years where isreal would slaughter and destroy and get away with it, this time they will have to go much further as they are dealing with a very sophisticated, hardened and robust fighting force equipped with Iranian weapons, if hezbullah is being systematically destroyed Iran will come to their aid as they will know their heads are next on the chopping block, i dont need to explain how this could easily spiral out of control, i have no doubt Isreal would nuke Iran in such a conflict as it would be the only sure way to victory, at which piont the entire muslim world would be at war, that includes pakistan, then others would get suked into it, it isnt completely crazy to suggest it could lead to WW3, and given that Russia and China would probably team up against the US i think mutually assured destruction on all sides could follow. North Korea is not the threat you perceieve them to be, this does not reflect world public opinion, Iran is not a threat, they are the ones being threatened. I dont even know where to begin on this topic but i think ive written enough.

Side: Let it be
3 points

"I think you'll find one of the greatest threats to world peace right now is Isreal, and the US action in pakistan, pakistan is at bioling piont, and the US unmaned drones that keep bombing them are providing fuel to a fire that is already bruing quite brightly"

I agree.

"as for Isreal, they are unwilling to end the conflict legally based on the June 1967 borders, and the US backes them fully in their imperial conquest of palestian land, if they choose to attack Lebannon as they have done in the past, and it is my belif they will because they have been beaten twice by the Hezbullah, they could easily start WW3"

I agree.

" i dont need to explain how this could easily spiral out of control, i have no doubt Isreal would nuke Iran in such a conflict as it would be the only sure way to victory"

I agree.

"and given that Russia and China would probably team up against the US"

That I don't agree with, at least not yet.

"North Korea is not the threat you perceieve them to be, this does not reflect world public opinion"

I am anti North Korea more on the basis of the state of the people, i think they are too scared to actually confront us.

"Iran is not a threat, they are the ones being threatened"

I agree.

"I dont even know where to begin on this topic but i think ive written enough"

Unless you feel like me continual agreeing with you except on certain things yeah I think you have put more then enough lol.

Side: Invade
5 points

Okay... Invasion? That word just creates something down the spine that causes one to overlook the reasons and commit the kind of things that have been committed in places of invasions. All that an invasion is doing is creating more death, terrorists, hatred and why... Is an Invasion the only Goddamn option?! Nobody even knows half the things that really go on there because of the corrupt media. We cannot support something so cruel with out knowing the obvious why? That is either hidden or manipulated!

Side: Let it be
2 points

I have to say i couldn't agree more, these occurences are so rarely questioned by the people, take Libya, that kind of snuck up out of nowhere, i mean one minute were watching civil unrest in the country the next minute the US, France and Britain are bombing the place, this kind of unhinged needs to be held accountable.

Side: Let it be
1 point

There are a lot of things people just tend to ignore. Information is biased when it reaches the masses. The other side of the story is almost always unknown. There is just too much misuse of power. And every other negative impact the World is facing is because of this.

Side: Let it be

When will America stop being the global policemen and only use military force to defend?

Side: Let it be
1 point

I think we should let Iran be, but what about North Korea?What about the people who starve and swim in deprivation? Never mind the fact that never in history has there been such an insult to the Libertarian viewpoint

Side: Invade
2 points

It is a insult to the libertarian viewpoint with North Korea's oppressive government, but it is also the libertarian viewpoint particularly in foreign affairs as isolationist.

Side: Let it be
garry77777(1796) Disputed
1 point

What about the people in Bahrain being slaughtered, or Yemen, this isn't even being reported anymore but you can be sure it is ongoing, what about the people living under authoritarian rule in Saudia Arabia, what about the Palestian's lving in Gaza currently starving and being deprived of their basic human rights by an internationally recognised illegal blockade, i understand this opinion of yours but i cannot support an invasion, the US intervenes when it suits their strategic aims to do so, they don't care about about civilians, there is really very little evidence to suggest this, and a hell of alot of evidence to support it that im not even going to get into. I cannot and will not condone an invasion that is gauranteed to produce more carnage and destruction and harm than is already taking place.

Look at Iraq, the claim was that the invasion would help the Iraqi people, well, lets look at the facts have the Iraqi people been helped, their country and infrastructure was one of the most developed in the middle east prior to gulf 1, now the country lies in ruins, they have had to endure unending terror from both the US and Britain and Islamic extremists, the war has caused the deaths of 1.2 million Iraqis, think about htis number for a while, its easy to write this stuff and not really appreciate what it means, i see this all the fucking time on this site, their resources have been completey and totally explioted, so based on this, do you think the US should invade another country illegally? Even if said country is as bad as it is?

BTW if you doubt any of the info i have presented id be happy to provide you the sources

Side: Let it be
1 point

The reason these countries dislike us in the first place is because we got involved when we shouldn't have. If we invade they will fight back and we don't need a war right now.

Side: Let it be
1 point

You would allow North Korea to continue its total starvation of its people? Forget Iran, but North Korea must be stopped.

Side: Invade
1 point

I wasn't aware of the lengths of the problem in North Korea. I'm sorry.

Side: Invade
1 point

Well, let's clear a couple things up first... These countries don't hate us, their regimes do. And let's be clear that you are referring to North Korea, not South, which is one of America's greatest allies.

I don't think we should do anything to either country. We can't afford to police the world any more and we shouldn't have ever done that in the first place.

Now, if Iran attacks Israel, then it's on! And if North Korea attacks South Korea, then it's also on... and actually they have done that and the south has shown amazing constraint. But if the north gets even friskier and the south needs our help then we should step in.

Side: Let it be
1 point

I was talking about N. korea of course and I know that it's the regimes, not the actual countries. Countries can't hate the people and governments can.

Side: Let it be
1 point

That's cool... but you need to be specific. You can't just say "Korea"... there are two of them and they couldn't be any more different.

Side: Let it be
garry77777(1796) Disputed
1 point

"These countries don't hate us, their regimes do"

Thats entirely correct, i dont hate americans despite what many on this site have labelled me, i just can't stand the regime, well thats a bit extreme, i think its more correct to say when all the positivs and negative of the american regime are examined its negatives greatly outweight its positives.

"We can't afford to police the world any more"

Im sorry to be the one to tell the hard truth but you are not world police you are world criminals and the facts that have been so skillfully concealed from you bear this hard truth out.

"I don't think we should do anything to either country."

I completely agree you have no moral or legal right, just like no other country has the right to attack you.

"Now, if Iran attacks Israel, then it's on"

Iran will not attack Isreal, Iran have not attacked another country in hundreds of years and there is no sign they have any intention to do so in the near future, your countries propaganda has taught you Iran are dangerous but have you ever done any serious independent investigation into them im telling you if you did you would begin to realise they are not the danger, Isreal is, Isreal was allowed to massacre 1400 people in Gaza after they broke the ceasefire (scrupulously observed by hamas i might add) by killing 6 Hamas officials, then they proceeded to commit grave human rights violations, they are fucking danger.

Let me ask you this, if Isreal invades Lebanon tommorrow with no grounds for the invasion other than to commit murder like in Gaza and soley to make the arabs afraid of them, do you think your country should help???? You know liek the disgustingly large militsry aid they sned them every year.

"And if North Korea attacks South Korea, then it's also on... and actually they have done that and the south has shown amazing constraint."

This is an unbeleivably innaccurate portrail of the tension between them and heres the proof, please read it if you consider yourself open minded:

http://rt.com/news/north-korea-nuke-despair/

http://rt.com/news/korea-tensions/

http://rt.com/news/south-korea-exonerates-north/

Side: Invade
1 point

Iran will not attack Isreal, Iran have not attacked another country in hundreds of years and there is no sign they have any intention to do so in the near future

So, that doesn't mean they won't and when their president runs around saying things like Israel should be wiped off the map, or the Holocaust never happened or there are no homosexuals in Iran.. one has to wonder just how stable that regime is... he didn't even win that last election and we all know it.

If Israel attacks Lebanon? No... they can handle themselves... I never said that the US should help Israel if they attack someone else but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

As for North and South Korea... get a grip Gary. The North Korean people are being starved to support their military and the South is free and has a huge economy.

Side: Invade
1 point

With the kind of debt America has right now, the last thing we need to do is fund another war. Let's wait a bit and see how things play out.

Side: Let it be

Oh yeah lets invade for no reason and make America look even more like an asshole with to much power... >_>

Side: Let it be

Keep out of those countries and pull all the troops out immediately. It is now 2015 and war is still going on in the Middle East.

Side: Let it be