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Iran Nuclear Deal

Compare and contrast the different veins of Iran's government; one secular and with democratic institutions, the other theocratic and authoritarian.  You will argue your side of the Iran Nuke Deal debate using evidence that supports or negates the claim that Iran's government can be negotiated with and to some degree, trusted.
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5 points

Choosing to support the Nuclear Deal will allow Iran to have more money to fund national terroism. Iran is the biggest funder for global terroism, for groups such as ISIS. Iran, also, has executed more people than anyone, including China. Iran has executed more than 1000 Americans. The Nuclear Deal says how countries, including America, will give Iran $150 billion dollars for any use. Also, Iran has blatantly said how they wish to eliminate Israel, an ally and asset of America. So, if we choose to give $150 billion dollars to Iran, we are possibly ensuring the demise of Israel and the increase in global terroism.

0 points

I agree with this wholeheartedly, Iran is a threat to the world due to the wars it will start. These wars would obviously cause death amongst the world and most importantly other Americans

1 point

Iran is a threat to the world due to the wars it will start.

Except Iran has never started a war in its entire history as a country, the United States has started dozens, and you're a stupid little fuck who shouldn't be allowed to talk to adults.

4 points

While the Nuclear Deal allows us to have inspections, Iran is able to block the inspections from occurring allowing them to hide stuff from our country. Iran has the right to challenge the need for a surprise inspection. This gives Iran a window of 24 days before the inspector is able to legally come and inspect. During this time, Iran will be able to hide any suspicious equipment and nuclear weapons that they are in the progress of building. Also, if Iran is able to follow the deal for 10-15 years, Iran will have the time frame they need to build a nuclear weapon without having to take out funding from the countries. The time they need is about a year, especially if they have been storing uranium and cleaning it during their 10 years of following the agreement.

4 points

The nuclear deal lifts economic pressure off of Iran. If US, UN, and EU sanctions are lifted, it puts more money in Tehran. They would use this money fund terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas. Iran funds Hezbollah to harass the Isralei people in Lebanon. They do this because they want to resist westernization, and this also harms our Isralei allies. Why lift economic pressure when they are against westernization? --CW

3 points

Iran cannot be reasoned with, they do not have a legitimate democracy. In order to stop their nuclear advancement, we have to show them that we mean business. As an actual democracy with serious military and economic standing, Iran will listen to us if we are aggressive enough. Iran does not have a good history of being good at diplomacy, so we need to speak their language and assert maximum pressure from a direct economic standpoint and implied military standpoint. We don't need to be reminded about how well they negotiated with us during the Iranian hostage crisis...

I agree with this wholeheartedly, Iran is a threat to world security given they will start another decades series of wars that will affect American lives.

rpctdsamurai(11) Disputed
0 points

Already are the top military leader in the world yet they are still advancing a military weapons program. Historically the big stick approach cannot replace diplomacy and negotiation. Peaceful aggression does not create peach. A falsehood created by the idea that fear is a legitimate idea in the Iranian People. Look at the Cold War. 70 years on a stand off between world powers competing for the top spot, military and economically. Diplomacy brought the pressure down. Yes, Iran is a threat and has been since the revolution. But look at the majority of people of Iran. They lead normal lives who want economic freedom to have a global competitive economy. Playing the military card undermines the majority of Iranian’s who want peace. The minority who are in favor of terrorism and war are again a minority who want war and destruction to the United States. But are they actually suicidal enough to fight the United States. Us being the United States is already enough to back them into a corner military-wise. So a choice faces the United States. Build an even stronger military, we already have the world-leading spending by nearly 500 billion dollars, second given to China or do we recognize the legitimate desires of the Iranian people to be a legitimate country and economy. The choice is yours. -toastertoby

AuntChilada(2) Disputed
1 point

If we lift sanctions against Iran, they are going to gain economic independence that makes our economy irrelevant. The new influx of money won't go to the people, it will go straight to the bonyads, who will send the money to the revolutionary guard, who supports the violent Bajis, that even beat up their own dissident citizens...You should get the point.

What "diplomacy" brought the "pressure" down? Amadinejad was firmly against the nuclear deal, yet he was elected by the Iranian government while Obama was enacting "diplomacy."

The point is, it doesn't matter how suicidal they are or are not. They won't give the money back to their people. They never have and their theocracy is not set up to allow it. They have a strong system in place to manipulate the people through their religion, and it is dangerous to allow them the independence and chance to create their own nuclear weapons program. The theocracy is power hungry and it always had been. If they proved themselves to be a civilized democracy, the situation would be different. That isn't the case yet.

3 points

Iran continues to be hostile to the US despite the nuclear deal. The nuclear deal is not working to secure stability in the Middle East and does not help improve relations between the West and Iran. By backing out of the deal we will be able to put pressure on Iran economically to prevent them from destabilizing the region. Iran sponsors various terrorist groups, actively tests and exhibits its military capabilities, as well as helps Russia in its actions in the region. Iran seizes oil ships in the Strait of Oman only causing more issues in the region. By staying in the nuclear deal, we are supporting these actions.

3 points

Even though we cannot deny the fact that Iran has normal citizens and a young population of people, we can not throw a blind eye to the fact that those people would not even receive the funding that Iran would receive when sanctions are lifted. The money would go to bonyads and to the Revolutionary Guard. The assets that they would receive would not even benefit the citizens of Iran because it would be used to fund terrorists groups and other things that they see fit to resist westernization. Moreover, the Iranian government is a theocracy, therefore, the people do not have much of a say in their government. --CW

2 points

Israel, a prominent strategic ally in the Middle East is being threatened by Iran. The US and Israel share a commitment to liberty, self-government, and economic prosperity. The US and Israel are committed to a fight against international terrorism. Israel and Iran have engaged in proxy conflicts before and to this day have disputes and pressures from each other. As an ally to Israel, it is our duty to help it defend itself and protect its sovereignty. By backing out of a nuclear deal with Iran we are able to once again put economic pressure on the country. This will inevitably help our Israeli allies and weaken the tyrannical Iranian regime.

Flamacue(2) Disputed
1 point

While backing out of the deal may weaken Iran's economic situation, it for one gives them reason to prepare against further US-Israel contemptuous behavior, but also gives them the ABILITY to. This is literally handing your enemy a weapon and then angering them. In addition, the concepts of economic prosperity and liberty do not coincide with imposing economic sanctions because you are scared of a country weaker than you.

Tamplank(3) Disputed
1 point

Iran is an illegitimate country. The money that comes out of lifted sanctions goes to only help the Iranian regime. A regime which oppresses minorities and other religions that goes against their own. The Nuclear Deal was not helping ease tensions as we can see by continued hostilities by the regime. By backing out of the deal they are still in the same political tension as before. Iran is still far off from their goal of enrichment as well so in no way are we handing them a weapon.

2 points

The Iran nuclear deal requires Iran to enrich its Uranium to 3.67% which is not enough for medical grade Uranium at 20% enrichment. This can increase the mortality rate among Iranians due to the fact that radioisotopes such as Uranium can be used to treat cancers such as leukemia, sterilize a patient, and also show doctors, the area in which the problem is occurring.

2 points

We should not limit Iran's Uranium capacity to 300kg because this is limiting Iran's capability to use Nuclear power. In return, Iran will continue to use oil which is much dirtier energy which will continue to widen the Ozone hole. If you want a clean beautiful world you should be against the Iran Nuclear Deal.

1 point

From a world peace standpoint, pulling out of the JCPOA will only exacerbate fragile foreign relations between Iran, the US, and the other countries involved in the deal. Iran benefits from the Iran Nuke Deal. Thus, pulling out of the agreement means our pre-2015 sanctions will be reimposed, giving Iran’s economy a major blow. Therefore, even if pro-nuclear weapon Iranians are happy about the end of the JCPOA, there will be a large number of liberal Iranians (who may be existing supporters of the US) who will be angry that Iran is cut off from the world economy. Anti-American sentiment such as that of the attitudes expressed by the Iranian students who, angry at the fleeing of their Shah, took American Ambassadors hostage in 1979, is fuel for war. This started a major conflict, and nuclear weapons were not even involved. Imagine the anger Iranians will have towards America for once again crippling their economy in an age where nuclear warfare is dawning upon us. Not only this, leaving the JCPOA means they are able to enrich Uranium to dangerous levels once again. Leaving the JCPOA may backfire on the US.

1 point

In terms of age, the older population of Iran are outnumbered by the younger population. The younger generation are more educated and as a result, view the nuclear deal as a good thing for the people of Iran and their economy. The younger population is also heavily democratic, and they do not want those sanctions placed on their economy by the US.

Without this deal being in place, the younger and brighter members of Iran's society will eventually leave in search of more opportunity and advancement in other countries, which will result in a heavy "brain drain" in Iran, but these sanctions being lifted will keep the younger generation in the country.

unidolphin02(20) Disputed
1 point

The younger generation of Iran is unable to have any real say in their government. While they have the ability to vote, candidates are all vetted by the religious clergy. This means this "more educated" population have no real say in what truly happens in Iran.

AuntChilada(2) Disputed
1 point

Iran does not have a legitimate democracy. The elected leaders barely have any power and they don't make a difference. It doesn't matter how democratic the younger population is. Iran also has a high rate of unemployment among the younger population, meaning that none of the money that would come from a lifting of sanctions would go to the democrats you want to support anyways. All of the money is set up to fund the theocracy by going straight to bonyads. If anything, this younger generation is going to see that the lifting of sanctions didn't do anything for them, making them just as likely to turn against it.

Iran has a radical, theocratic government that can not be trusted. While their government does have elected presidents, their presidential candidates are vetted by a theocratic-driven group of people who work for the supreme leader. The supreme leaders have been seen as against anti-western, like Khomeini who was in charge of the American hostage crisis. Also, they do support the idea of going to war, as we have seen with the Iran-Iraq War. The young, liberal people of Iran does not have any real say in who runs their government either. The government is controlled by one religious authoritarian.

1 point

Nuclear fuel, 2.4 cents per kilowatt-hour, is 10 times cheaper than fuel produced from oil, 22.48 cents per kilowatt-hour. This is why Nuclear fuel is better than oil which is what Iran currently uses. So if we impose the Iran Nuclear Deal, then we would be limiting Iran's capabilities to use Nuclear energy further putting Iran in an economic strain which does not promote global cooperation. America's isolationist days are over. We should work together as a world in order to take down our new enemy, CHINA!

1 point

As a result of the sanctions, the unemployment rate in Iran is increasing, and a result prices of basic necessities such as food and fuel are being lifted, which is hurting the people of Iran in terms of health. How can they survive if the prices of what they need such as food is constantly being raised to the point where they are un-affordable?

The biggest problem with the Iran Nuclear Deal is that it is a temporary fix for a long term problem. The deal gives the US about ten years of no nuclear warfare, but we all know that there is not a real diplomatic relationship between the US and Iranians. This deal is more of a way to appease the Iranian government. Moreover, Iran would receive long term benefits for such a short term fix.

The democratic institutions of Iran are enough there to ensure there isn't a widespread rejection of any form of government, as people don't listen much to people who don't listen to them. Though the authoritarian aspect of their government is hidden behind a religious banner to justify it, strict sharia accordance, Islamic law, and little Shia laws amongst it all. Given Iran's history of funding terrorism, the nuclear deal will quite obviously allow them to develop weapons to start trouble be it outright or through extremist puppets. The 150 billion for whatever needed is dumb, Iran has plain-faced said it wants Isreal blown off the map, they will not tolerate a Zionist Jewish state in the area. If the deal were made obvious wars would get started in MENA and that would in turn of course waste many innocent American lives on the conflict. The inspections are something that have lopeholes in them, the same as anything. Iran simply cannot be reasoned with

0 points

One of the pros for the nuclear deal is that as Americans we wouldn't have to worry about a nuclear weapon being made for roughly about 10 years. Keeping Iran at a 5% uranium level would help us eliminate any threat to the United States until we find a better solution.

AuntChilada(2) Disputed
3 points

10 years is a lot of time for Iran to build a significant economic standing. Right now, we have leverage to pressure them because the are desperate. When they can no longer withstand the pressure, they will give in on their own accord, without being rewarded. The only way to keep the Islamic Extremists at bay is to continue to assert maximum pressure. The last thing we need is for them to be able to stockpile money.

0 points

The sanctions being lifted are very good for Iran's economy. With the sanctions against Iran, their economy is being crippled. Some of the sanctions include difficulty for Iranian businesses to access materials to make manufactured products, such as automobiles, metals, and plastic.

The worst of the sanctions, aim to cut off 80% of Iran's oil revenue, which is a HUGE source of income in Iran, and as a result has caused them to miss out of billions of dollars in income.

Even though Iran has other sources of income aside from oil, as a whole, they are missing out on other aspects of revenue alongside the oil due to the sanctions from the US, which is hurting their economy slowly but surely.

AuntChilada(2) Disputed
2 points

Why would they need to have a flourishing economy? Building nuclear weapons is expensive. Iran does not have a legitimate democracy; they cannot be trusted with a flourishing economy. Unless Iran establishes a civilized system of government, they cannot be trusted not to use their revenue to build nuclear weapons. Iran is a power-hungry regime, and the first thing they would do with the revenue from sanction removal, historically, will not be to give it to the people, it will be to invest in devastating nuclear power.

0 points

Due to the long history of the two countries being known enemies for decades and constant threats from Iranian leaders, the United States felt this nuclear deal would be the best way to ensure the safety of their people within the country. Overall, there is a major distrust between the two, leading to the question of “will we be hurt?” By agreeing to the Nuclear Deal, the United States will have control over how much uranium Iran can use. Uranium is a chemical substance that has been used to concentrate energy for numerous years. This chemical substance is also used to form nuclear weapons, weapons that can ultimately kill thousands of people in an instant. With the agreement of the deal, the United States would ensure that the people of the United States would not receive any danger from the Iranian people.

AuntChilada(2) Disputed
2 points

Iran does not have a civilized democracy. The Islamic theocracy has a long history of allowing terrorist groups to flourish. Needless to say based on recent historical events, Iran is not the most consistent or honest country. If they get the economic backing to continue their nuclear weapons program on their own, they won't care what the US is giving them. Once they gain independence, they will just continue to ensure permanent power for themselves through their nuclear weapons program. Citizens don't actually get any of the money, their economy is set up to send money to bonyands, not to give it back to the people. The revolutionary guard is not the people, they are the extremists that fund terrorists organizations like the bajis.