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Abortion is now illegal. Back to the dark ages.
Debate Score:29
Arguments:27
Total Votes:29
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Is America descending back to a quagmire of misguided-morality driven ignorance?

So, a bunch of moralizing bureaucrats have decided that women must proceed with their pregnancies whether they wish to or not.

Abortion is now illegal.

Side Score: 16
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Back to the dark ages.

Side Score: 13
1 point

As the population of unwanted children will escalate due to this draconian legislation it is worth remembering the words of Mother Teresa;- '' The greatest disease in the West today is not T B or leprosy, it is BEING UNWANTED, UNLOVED AND UNCARED FOR''.

This cruel legislation has launched the population explosion of UNWANTED, UNLOVED AND UNCARED FOR CHILDREN.

Side: Abortion is now illegal.
1 point

Calm down, liberals. No one is coming for your abortions. We just want common sense abortion control.

Mandatory background checks with mental health evaluation. Must be placed in a national abortion registry. $200 tax stamp and 1 year waiting period. Outlaw assault abortions after the first trimester and limit the number you can have. No one NEEDS more than one abortion.

We need abortion free zones to protect the children. Of course, someone might show up with assault abortions and try to abort the fetuses. We're just going to have to disabort the entire population.

Ban coat hangers. The founders didn't forsee weapons of mass abortion.

(Seriously though, if you're going on about"my body my choice" and a year ago you were all for forced vaccination, congratulations, you're a hypocritical fucking cunt.)

Side: Abortion is now illegal.
Norwich(1576) Disputed
1 point

AH NO, IT'S NOMSHIT AGAIN.

WHEN YOU SNEAK IN LIKE THIS, AS YOU HAVE DONE ON THIS OCCASION, YOU USUALLY MANAGE TO GET IN BELOW MY RADAR.

As you just cannot suppress your coprolalia tourette syndrome you feel compelled to leave your tell-tale calling card of profanities.

POOR OLD NOMSHIT.

Side: Back to the dark ages.
1 point

• Accuses me of "Not being able to express {my} viewpoint coherently"

• Instead of expressing viewpoint coherently, spends the remaining several paragraphs of his argument insisting that it's because my mother is a prostitute

You're adorable. See previous comment, I believe there's a rather eloquent line that will help you with understanding your position... It goes something like "hypocritical fucking cunt".

But! Fair enough, sometimes I spend too much time being a sarcastic asshole and not enough time articulating my opinions... Though in my defense, if leftists had the attention span to read and comprehend an alternate opinions, then they wouldn't be leftists. Therefore I can rarely expect much to come of rational discussion of policy (we can't even expect that in Washington, much less on the internet at large, much less in a backwater cesspool of societal rejects like CreateDebate). To summarize: yes, I believe with limits in a woman's right to choose. No, I don't think that takes priority over state's rights to legislate over issues which are not specifically given to federal authority. If the Democrats wanted to give themselves constitutional authority to protect abortions, they could have amended the constitution sometime over 50 fucking years and multiple periods of supermajorities. Fuck, they're still in control of the capital, they may still be able to pull it off, it might be the only political win for the Democrats since Biden took office. (And yeah, you should be worried about gay marriage. That's no more constitutionally recognized than abortion, and could have been overturned just as easily. Get a fucking amendment passed.) That said, there's a reason I'm not sharing anything about my opinion beyond "believe within limits in a woman's right to choose": my opinion doesn't matter. I'm certainly not going to get into the drama orgy that is the direct debate between pro life and pro choice. If you don't see a fetus as a living individual, you think the issue is a matter of women's rights. If you do see a fetus as a living individual, you think the issue is a matter of murder. On and on the bickering will rage, neither side realizing that they're speaking a different fucking language. All of these opinions definitely take a backseat to the issue of limiting federal authority within the confines clearly stated in our founding documents, and if you wanted to expand the Fed's reach to protect abortions you've had your chance. Frankly I hope this is the first domino to fall of many. I hope that with these "new" precedents plaintiff's printers are catching fire right now printing up lawsuits to sue the federal government down to the size that it should be, because we've been letting these assholes run roughshod over ever industry they goddamn well please since the FDR administration, may that insufferable despotic commie rot in hell.

And all of this talk of state's rights gets your head spinning with impotent rage, let me take you on a trip down memory lane to the previous outrage all of 24 hours before Roe v. Wade was overturned. NYSRPA v. Bruen, opinion writen by Clarence Thomas and released on the 24th of this month. A decision that not only has put the kibosh on may-issue permitting schemes for concealed carry of handguns (which, open secret, is directly used as a means for bribery) but more importantly has called out lower courts' two-step verification process of means-end as "one step too far". In other words, in one fell swoop, Clarence Thomas has just removed the legal structure propping up assault weapons bans, handgun rosters, magazine limits, everything that California and New York have been trying to get away with four 20 years. Aaaaaand you can fucking bet that the plaintiff's printers at the NRA, GOA, SAF, etc are definitely on fire. I'm gonna need popcorn and a cigarette for the upcoming legislation. But why do I bring this up? Because not 25 hours before Roe v. Wade was dropped like the illegal turd that it was, Cori Booker, AOC, Feinstain, and Uncle Joe were up in arms about how the supreme court was infringing on state's rights to infringe on constitutionally protected individual rights... Only to reverse course the moment the court upheld state's rights over something not constitutionally protected. It almost hurts to even look at that whiplash. And it's why, when a leftist comes at me whining and complaining that their imaginary rights are being violated, I DO NOT GIVE A FUCK.

Side: Back to the dark ages.
1 point

I see you've altered your argument in the time that I was writing mine. I'm not Nom, genius. Nom was anti-gun beyond the point of mental illness, if you recall.

Side: Back to the dark ages.
1 point

Hey, thanks for the points and demonstrating that I have been able to push you over the edge into insanity.

Good boy, keep up the good work with another INCOHERENT RANT.

Side: Abortion is now illegal.
1 point

Your inability to read a nuanced opinion, much less write one, does not make my ranting incoherent. This is why I didn't open with explaining my position: everyone here is too retarded to be bothered with understanding it. Come back with a second opinion from someone who can actually read, and has an attention span greater than that of a kitten on crystal meth.

While you're at it, learn to use the dispute button.

Side: Abortion is now illegal.
1 point

Yes sirree Bob, you've really gone over the edge.

It's satisfying to note that I've succeeded in getting under your skin and been able to drive you into an irrational state of seething annoyance.

Have a couple of aspirins, take deep breaths to help to calm yourself and have a lie down.

You should be fine by tomorrow. If not, check your blood pressure regularly and make an appointment to see your shrink.

Oh by the way, you'd need to brush up on your debating skills.

Roars of laughter from the back stalls.

Side: Abortion is now illegal.
1 point

Mothers-to-be should be the sole decision-makers whether to proceed with the birth or to terminate the pregnancy.

No other party has the right to instruct women what they MUST do with their bodies.

Side: Back to the dark ages.
1 point

I'd say it's revenge for the libs deciding they would choose what people did with their bodies during the Covid era. But seriously, the right has finally learned how to play dirty. If the libs want the right to compromise on abortion, they'll have to give the right something in return. I like it.

Side: Back to the dark ages.
Norwich(1576) Clarified
1 point

Hi Bront,

It may be, and indeed could very well be a form of spiteful revenge for the Lib's uncompromising attitude towards people having the covid vaccination.

However, I feel weare not comparing like with like.

Covid-19 was/is a health issue while abortion is being peddled as a moral concern.

The Lib's adamant approach to the covid vaccine was based on the strong advice of most of the world's leading medical officers and virologists.

Yes, there are a number of well qualified scientists who oppose the vaccine and warn against its potentially harmful long term effects.

It should be noted that this POTENTIAL is a feature of all vaccination programs including Polio, TB, Mumps, Measles, smallpox etc.

One must then consider which is the lesser of the two evils.

The clear advantages of the vaccine which has been proven to significantly control/reduce the spread of a deadly disease vs the POTENTIAL of some unscientific, emotionally induced claim of unspecified adverse side effects.

The other difference is that no one was, or is going to be criminalized for not taking the vaccine.

If for whatever reason a female becomes inadvertently pregnant and does not wish to proceed with the delivery of the baby then that is her choice and providing the termination is conducted within the parameters of the law and the medical guidelines, then no other living individual is affected.

This law has removed the safe and hygienic conditions of specialist pregnancy termination clinics and will drive many to seek the illegal and highly dangerous services of the back-street butchers.

The hands of those who passed this VINDICTIVE LAW will be DRIPPING IN BLOOD.

Side: Abortion is now illegal.
BrontoLite(759) Disputed
1 point

However, I feel we are not comparing like with like

What you are seeing isn't politics. What you are seeing is the beginning of a civil war. Civil wars start of with small retaliation being met with medium retaliation, met with more aggressive retaliation, and on and on. Eventually it has mass military conflicts. What the right knows is that the US military cannot spread to 5,000 fronts and win. Defeating the right militarily would be like trying to win the Afghanistan and Vietnam wars 40 times over. No force is that vast or that powerful, assuming they don't use nuclear weapons.

Side: Abortion is now illegal.
BrontoLite(759) Disputed
1 point

Much of the military is right wing. Most militia groups are right wing. Most veterans are conservative. Most state militaries are governed by the right. Most hunters and people skilled with weapons are right wing. Most military amunition plants are in red states or areas.

Side: Abortion is now illegal.
BrontoLite(759) Disputed
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The thing that held this country back from civil war all of these years, was that the right never got mad enough to really fight back on any epic scale. Now they are. You are about to see governors and mayors guarding borders and making gun sanctuaries while organizing more militias. You're about to see a right wing FBI to protect against the current FBI. fasten your seat belt. War is hell, and it is at the door.

Side: Abortion is now illegal.
1 point

When times get hard, as they are now and people feel total despair they look for someone and/or some reason to blame.

They then rationalize that the only way to improve their lot is to rid themselves of the cause of their plight.

This is of course is the road to bloody insurrection.

THE IMBECILE hasn't the sense to realize that his policies, but in particular his unrealistic stance on fossil fuels has led to record levels of inflation and the inevitable ensuing price rises in everyday commodities and produce.

To a greater or lesser extent everything we need to live our lives has to transported involving the usage of fuel.

Americans watch in horror at their government fostering their country being invaded by illegal immigrants, ( well over one million so far this year alone) their despair deepens and their feelings of hopelessness becomes overwhelming.

Once more;-''this is another element in the road to rebellion.

BIDEN, ''THE IMBECILE'', IS SOWING THE WIND OF CIVIL UNREST AND WILL REAP THE WHIRLWIND OF CIVIL WAR.

SUCH IS THE BLIND STUPIDITY OF BIDEN, ''THE LEFTIST WOKE IMBECILE.

Side: Back to the dark ages.