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i think its about jesus christ if u believe in god its comen sence jesus was god son so yeah also santa is a fake only little kids believe in this junk
ok so u believe in this fat guy going down a chimney and give gifts dont u think that a little strange and also parents tell their kids this person is real and if you believe in god you would know about the bible
Well actually, Jesus is an actual physical person. Whether he was the son of god is a different story. Santa does not exist because people have been to the North Pole and has therefore proven his non-existence.
When you understand how ridiculous it seems to you that others believe in Santa, you'll understand how ridiculous it is to others that you believe in Jesus.
Jesus was the Representative of God's Love on Earth. Even though there contention about what day was actually Jesus' birthday, Christmas become the acknowledged day. To some degree, Christians had been celebrating for a long time. Santa Claus (Saint Nick) was a Christian who gave toys to children in the very poor area he lived in.
Santa's giving, which was sort of done in the Spirit of Christ, caught on. People began helping him make the toys, etc.
Even though Santa has become almost more popular then Jesus on Christmas, what Santa did was on behalf of Jesus.
I think perhaps you mistake the Spirit of Christ. One doesn't act with kindness and generosity unless it be with the Spirit of Love, which Christ represented.
What Christ brought to the spirituality of man was the concept that Gratitude, Respect, and Love were the most important things. Santa had these things, which he found in his pursuit of Christ. If you think somehow the "children" alone inspired him . . . well it just doesn't fit the story.
Santa was later made a Saint because his example of Christ was note worthy in the historic time line.
No, people do good things out of our shared empathy which is a result of us evolving as a social creature.
Which is good. It is not fair though that some imaginary thing take credit for what us humans have accomplished all on our own.
We are, without a god, more good than bad more times than not. That is far more impressive than the idea some unseen force is making us be good, by the way.
All of that aside. You act as if prior to Jesus there was no concept of gratitude, respect, love, etc, the other stuff you mention...
You do realize that humans have been around far long than any Judeo-Christian-type god right? People were all of those things before even the idea of your god was conceived.
Hundreds of thousands of years of no one knowing your god, people were all of the things you mention. Now your Johnny-come-lately god wants credit for it all?
Santa Claus is not a real being like Mozart, Elvis, or Micheal Jackson. . . . . . oh, wait, maybe he is.
Music existed long be any of these guys, but they became icons of music.
Same with Santa. He didn't invent kindness and giving, but he became an icon of it. Same with Jesus. He didn't invent love, but he sure made a splash in the human psyche.
To me, Jesus isn't a man as much as he is an icon. There are some interesting stories that came down through history via a different path then the Bible. But that is another story. Jesus was just one of many "sons of God" that has appeared throughout history. Jesus is a story, a symbol, of who WE ARE. The story is actually embedded in the human psyche.
The truth about Jesus and Santa supports this, is that kindness, respect, and gratitude are perhaps the most important elements of salvation.
The story is actually embedded in the human psyche.
You mean a virgin becoming impregnated by a god and then god/man being sacrificed because without a blood sacrifice god is sending everyone to hell is embedded in the human psyche?
How horrible. We must not let this dark secret out if we are to ever meet intelligent life elsewhere. It would be incredibly embarrassing.
kindness, respect, and gratitude are perhaps the most important elements of salvation.
Kindness, respect, and gratitude are wonderful human qualities that more people should share. It is a shame that so much of religion wraps themselves in these human emotions while supporting inequalities, wars, injustices, and their own greed.
As for salvation. I found it quite freeing when I realized that some primitive god was not damning or blessing me based on my actions and thoughts, that those were my own, and that I was capable of choosing to (for the most part I believe) be kind, respectful, and gracious with neither threat of damnation nor promise of paradise. It is so much more fulfilling to simply be... almost like some sort of salvation.
You mean a virgin becoming impregnated by a god and then god/man being sacrificed because without a blood sacrifice god is sending everyone to hell is embedded in the human psyche?
Well, the details vary. It seems that virgins are often used for the birth of God's Sons, but not always. But very common is the idea of half god/half human. The details around the birth are usually troubled. Sons of God almost always die and return to life. Usually some sort of love story is tied in.
I have been accused of repeating myself. But I'm going to do it again.
Evolution is about the "successful path." I have come to realize that humans are not as dumb as we seem. Somehow, our mental abilities far surpass our emotional intelligence. Evolution has intentionally kept us stupid, because when we get smart, we kill ourselves. This is why evolution has supported religion and suppressed science. Religion supports emotional intelligence. Err... somewhat.
Well, the details vary. It seems that virgins are often used for the birth of God's Sons, but not always. But very common is the idea of half god/half human... etc.
Again though, this is recent human history. For the vast majority of human history no such idea was common. We are a species a couple hundred thousand years old. You are talking about 4-5k years of that. It's not embedded in our conscious, it is taught.
Evolution is about the "successful path."
Not precisely. Evolution is random. Some mutations allow groups of people to adapt or survive better, but it's perfectly reasonable that some evolutionary mutation which would have been very beneficial never came to be due to some random thing, or that some random set of circumstances allowed traits which were not beneficial to survive. Evolution is random, the random circumstances of the world makes it more likely for more beneficial traits to thrive, but this is not a foregone conclusion.
Evolution has intentionally kept us stupid, because when we get smart, we kill ourselves.
That's not true at all. Medicine. Healthy diets. Mass food production. More sanitary waste disposal. These are all results of getting smarter. It has all lead to longer, healthier, happier lives. Those cultures which are deeply superstitious, which reject things like polio vaccines because it's evil or whatever (Pakistan) these cultures live shorter, more brutal, sadder lives. Evolution promotes knowledge and leads to a better life for more people. Religion and other superstitions are what promotes and often demand ignorance, and this leads to tyranny, disease, misery, and death.
Your entire premise is demonstrably and historically false.
I now proceed to put an argumet under Jesu becuase that is the true meaning of christmas, even though that it is not the reason it is celebrated any more.
the world is about Jesus, american would never av existed without the love of God through Jesus, it is obvious that american has realized over the years the need for God.... so it aint about santa but abt Jesus
Considering that not everyone in the United States of America is Christian and believes in Jesus, I think it's only appropriate that Christmas is about Santa Claus, whom is not a mythological figure that is intrinsically tied in with Christian mythology. That way, more people then just Christians can enjoy the holiday.
Well, technically Santa Claus was derived from St. Nicholas of Myra. So he is somewhat tied to Christian beliefs. It was adopted openly by the west and turned his story into Santa Claus to be more appealing to society especially the young.
I am going to put an argument underneath each one, i put it under neath santa now because christmas is all about consumerism now adays ( http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Christmas_in_Today_s_Society ) so it is celebrated by those of us (like me) who do not believe in jesus.
Really, in the U.S. it is not about either anymore. It is largely a commercialized event. So maybe I should say it is actually about both, seeing as Santa and Jesus have both become so much about turning a financial profit these days.
Depends on the American. For devoted Christians it is at least partially about Christ. For most families with children, except in particularly devoted households, probably tends to me more about SC. And SC can be incorporated with greater ease into atheistic/agnostic homes.
For me? Its more about gathering with people and avoiding the madness and stress. No JC or SC in my world...
