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Is American Society Becoming Better or Worse?

I often hear people (on both sides of the political spectrum) list reasons why they believe American society is becoming worse or falling appart.  Rather than referring to any single specific issue (i.e. no "Worse because of politican X" or anything like that), do you believe that American society as a whole is becoming better or worse, and why?

 

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I answered "Better" because American Society is becoming more tolerant of everyone and technology is helping to educate and to make life easier. However, there is a bad side in that gun violence continues to rise and the environmental situations in many urban areas is conducive to crime.

Side: Better, because...
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http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

Gun violence is actually falling drastically, at about half of what it was 20 years ago.

www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/10/us-usa-crime-fbi-idUSKCN0IU1UM20141110

Violent crime itself (be it gun related or not) has been steadily declining since the 90's.

Side: Worse, because...
Amarel(5669) Clarified
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Why is this position on the "worse" side of the debate ?

Side: Better, because...
Cartman(18192) Disputed
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technology is helping to educate

Yeah, it is being used to "educate" you with false information.

Side: Worse, because...
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Unregulated immigration and political stagnation has resulted in America becoming a more violent society with significantly diminished international influence. For the past 7 or 8 years the United States has been going precisely nowhere, which, in real terms means it is going backwards. Weak leadership and an absence of national goals has created a negative void which is being filled by those with extremist views, both left and right. Such a powerful nation as the U.S, can only be destroyed from the inside, and that is exactly what is happening right below your noses. America is in a state of multiple crises, yet President Obama travels the world giving media interviews, the U.K's B.B.C, and lecturing other nations on how run their country, Kenya. It is the American people who are ''keeping the show on the road'' despite the inept talking machine that is President Obama. Even if the Messiah came down and took over the Presidency it would take a decade to correct the damage caused by Obama's inertia. I was told at the ripe old age of 16, 'never employ a good talker, because that's all they're good at.

Side: Worse, because...
KOMfs(35) Disputed
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Within the last seven or eight years, the immense influence of the U.S. has been shown through the world recession triggered by the U.S. subprime mortgage crisis and derivative crisis.

In terms of actual political influence, you should recognize that the level present during the Cold War was solely due to the threat of nuclear weapons and the various military conflicts incited during the war. If the U.S. wants to enjoy that level of influence again, it will need to threaten nuclear armageddon and start many more military conflicts.

Side: Better, because...
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lack of citizen involvement in their own governance.

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a democracy is only as good as the electorate is informed, and America has been on a trend for some time now toward the dumbing down of the electorate.

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corporate media has decided to make money from news and have successfully changed the regulations to allow "infotainment" to exist.

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it should NOT exist.

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it is leading us into the "documentary" called: IDIOCRACY

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the path forward is clear to anyone paying attention, but that's the problem... not enough ppl ARE.

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separate (again) the media functions of NEWS and ENTERTAINMENT by restoring the revenue firewall that used to exist between the news dept and the ad dept.

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no peanut butter in my chocolate, thank you very much.

Side: Worse, because...
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Worse, because you have a lot of immigration problems regarding illegal immigrants who are still roaming free and living in this country.

There's also alot of people who are more than willing to do nothing now aside from sit and wait for miracle to come as they rely on government for aid.

Students in school are also not exerting as much effort and are very distracted with a lot of things they would rather spend their time on than learn and excel in school. The fact that many public schools and teachers do not show any sort of strictness creates an advantage for many students to take advanced classes in exchange of doing nothing but slack. Many teachers now are not as dedicated in their teaching as well and are about as tired with their job as the people working at the cafeteria.

Service hours being voluntary does not seem so voluntary anymore since it's become a requirement for many colleges. And many are not really serving others in the community anymore with good intent of simply just serving instead of serving to have a good transcript.

The two main parties in the country are pushing each other around and pointing fingers, causing a big divide not just in the government but the society at large that are huge supporters of both parties. People are looking up to Obama ending his term at last, and of course like always, desperately cling to the new running presidents for election in hope of a "change" in the country, only to find out that as soon as another president has been heartily elected by these revolutionary people, that they will also hate him/her and complain about everything in their term on every aspect of the president's life because it's definitely easy to run a country right?

A lot of teenage girls just want to get pregnant just because they think it's cool. Drugs and drinking and partying is a pretty awesome hobby now and grinding in homecoming and prom is also cool too. People decide to make families without proper income as well and a lot of kids end up having foster parents or being left at an orphanage.

You still have a lot of racists that are willing to wipe out the other races at this date. There's also a lot of shootings that are happening. People are fighting over the value of the confederate flag and some people mistaken it and say they are not ashamed to place the American flag (with the 50 stars) out of their house, which is totally irrelevant to the argument.

Music is also becoming overly crap today that it is awesome. If you want to listen to some really meaningful music then listen to Silento's "Watch Me", it doesn't just make you hip, it makes you whip too. Deep.

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Worse, because you have a lot of immigration problems regarding illegal immigrants who are still roaming free and living in this country.

Which problems are you referring to, other than their existence?

There's also alot of people who are more than willing to do nothing now aside from sit and wait for miracle to come as they rely on government for aid.

How many such people do you believe exist in this country, and based on what evidence?

Students in school are also not exerting as much effort and are very distracted with a lot of things they would rather spend their time on than learn and excel in school.

What evidence do you base this on?

Many teachers now are not as dedicated in their teaching as well and are about as tired with their job as the people working at the cafeteria.

Or this?

Service hours being voluntary does not seem so voluntary anymore since it's become a requirement for many colleges.

Which colleges require service hours, and why would they not be voluntary if college attendance itself is voluntary?

The two main parties in the country are pushing each other around and pointing fingers, causing a big divide not just in the government but the society at large that are huge supporters of both parties.

I will certainly agree with you here. I believe we should put an end to the two party system, or at the very reform our electoral process.

People are looking up to Obama ending his term at last, and of course like always, desperately cling to the new running presidents for election in hope of a "change" in the country, only to find out that as soon as another president has been heartily elected by these revolutionary people, that they will also hate him/her and complain about everything in their term on every aspect of the president's life because it's definitely easy to run a country right?

The electorate is nothing if not fickle and quick to forget.

A lot of teenage girls just want to get pregnant just because they think it's cool.

http://www.hhs.gov/ash/oah/adolescent-health-topics/reproductive-health/teen-pregnancy/trends.html

Teen pregnancy is going down.

Drugs and drinking and partying is a pretty awesome hobby now and grinding in homecoming and prom is also cool too.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/16/health/feat-teen-drug-use-down/

Teen drug use and drinking are down, and I don't really see the big deal with "grinding".

People decide to make families without proper income as well and a lot of kids end up having foster parents or being left at an orphanage.

That is nothing new in America, however, and the improvement in quality and availability of birth control helps with that issue.

You still have a lot of racists that are willing to wipe out the other races at this date.

Yes, but they number fewer than ever and have less power than ever.

There's also a lot of shootings that are happening.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/10/us-usa-crime-fbi-idUSKCN0IU1UM20141110

Violent crime is actually going down drastically, and gun crimes in particular.

People are fighting over the value of the confederate flag and some people mistaken it and say they are not ashamed to place the American flag (with the 50 stars) out of their house, which is totally irrelevant to the argument.

While that is indeed a silly argument to be having, compare it to U.S. history where eugenics and segregation used to be mainstream until not that long ago.

Music is also becoming overly crap today that it is awesome. If you want to listen to some really meaningful music then listen to Silento's "Watch Me", it doesn't just make you hip, it makes you whip too. Deep.

I strongly disagree with this. Modern pop music is just as horrible and trashy as classic pop music used to be. In terms of content and skill, I see very little redeeming about classical pop artists such as Elvis (note: I am not saying all classical artists, as I myself prefer older artists to new-age music). They tend to be just as vapid and smutty, but are hidden behind a layer of nostalgia.

Side: Better, because...
vheah(22) Disputed
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I wrote this as a joke towards America rather than an intelligent argument so I apologize for my lack of etiquette in speaking my mind. However I appreciate your response and will try to address most of what you pointed out. I'll just number it respectively as I go along. I will be honest and I will say this ahead of time, that my arguments will continue to be weak since they are not based on facts but rather experience.

1) I'm not going to ramble about drugs as being one of the problems since I am sure people are aware that smuggling drugs into the country exists.

I am a legal immigrant in the United States and it pains me to see people living the country like any other with less weight on their shoulders. They do not have to pay the same fines and have to rush to and fro embassies just to keep their legality secure nor do they have to deal with the complex immigration system and the number of many different types of visas they could choose from just to be able to work, live, or visit the country. As long as they keep their identities low-key, they would not get punishment. They do not have to pay taxes as they work under-the-table jobs despite their small percentage in the workforce. Although the country has the power to deport immigrants back to their homelands, it is obvious that it's not as easy as it sounds. You can't just walk up to someone and say "hey, you look illegal." There has to be some evidence to it and it costs money to even deport an illegal home.

http://www.newsweek.com/how-much-would-it-cost-deport-all-undocumented-immigrants-364316

2&3;) I will join this with the students not exerting as much effort. They both mainly imply that many citizens in the United States do not take advantage with their opportunity-filled system by actually working their butt off and take the government for granted instead. Americans are spoon-fed with everything to provide them with a better life than most of the other countries out there, but get upset when a non-American comes in to take what they took for granted. Now, I do not mean this towards students getting GEDs and workers who hustle with minimum wage jobs. I am aiming this to the people who actually don't try yet complain. No, I did not read on any significant article to blow my mind and claim that I knew this through a basis of such an intelligent source. I speak this because it is what I see in front of me.

As for students, I made a mistake to not emphasize "high-school". Once I was a student (and just recently graduated high-school) and seeing half the student community slacking than actually doing what they are supposed to do in school already proves plenty. I'm sure any student can say the same for any public high-school having the similar, typical people who would rather "chill" than do schoolwork. My mother is a teacher in a public high-school and I can only imagine the stress she puts up with. Half the children in her class would sleep on her, and some she has to put up with because they keep failing their required tests. Now, it is possible that their slow progression in school has something to do with possible mental issues that are never addressed so those people can be scratched out of this issue. I believe it is more a lack of discipline than anything.

4) I have had several teachers who lose my work and teach heartlessly in class that I compare them to the cafeteria ladies who give out "awful school lunches". I am pretty sure that I was not the only student who had to go through that and I am pretty sure we would not develop that stereotype of school lunch had people been more dedicated with their work. I know that it is quite a task to cook for a big number of students nor is it tough work to teach students who refuse to pay attention to you from period to period but it is clear to see the difference of work that has effort exerted into it and the one that does not. I came from a school in my country that had teachers who are strong disciplinarians and are very strongly passionate about the subjects they teach and the job they have. I am not saying that all teachers in here are flat-out lazy but there are some you can easily identify who are sick about their jobs. One of my biology teachers even said that she didn't want to teach, while my chemistry teacher said if he could turn back time, he would not be teaching at all because it "sucked".

5) Although colleges do not say that they require voluntary services it is one of the things that they look out for from a student in which unfortunately becomes a requirement for one just to stand out to people in the admissions.

http://collegeadmissionbook.com/headlines-we-hate-community-service-work-increasingly-important-for-college-applicants

High-school teachers persuade their students to do service for a "good transcript\" along with reminding them that it is something "important for your college application." It loses the true meaning of what service is. It seems now that people are serving others not out of heart but simply for service hours. During my high-school years, one of my friends shared to me about how she was "required to volunteer" for a class grade and I thought it was ridiculous.

Joining school organizations in high-school alone without having much service experience is already a struggle. Applications would ask you for specific hours in your service, your leadership experiences, etc. I applied for the National Honor Society because I was invited. I was honest enough not to put in anything in the leadership portion since it specifically asked for my leadership experiences for the past two years, which I admitted I haven't done anything significant. The moderator of NHS approached me and told me that I could not join because she showed the principal my "lacking" application. They refused it before they even gave away results on who was accepted and who was not simply because I "missed that section." which brings me to the kids who have never been exposed to service. It's rather sad when a college bases your humanity off of your service hours while the good things you did that were not recorded on paper can be easily brushed off.

5) Thanks for agreeing. I am still looking forward to the two parties to learn how to compromise with each other.

6,7, 8, & 9) Glad to know that it is down, but it is still there and people still experience drugs and pregnancy in their teens. If thinking about society in general, people try so hard not to be themselves simply because they want to please the crowd. There are many teens out there who are down to do such crazy things just to be one of the "cool" people, thus the low self-esteem issues of many teenagers today.

Crimes with guns and racism are down as well, however they do still exist. Racism-wise, the country is now more diverse than it has been, however the ideology of racism still runs and there is no denying the conflicts that brew between racists majorities, racists minorities, and the non-racists majorities/minorites. Although shootings can be proven to have gone down, it is something we truly can't predict. Shootings still happen, and they are dangerous. We don't know the next person who will commit such crimes nor do we know when, where, and how many people they plot to kill at that specific period of time. These are solely things we can keep track off but not get rid off. It's society that makes things happen. Is America better however given that these rates are going down? Yes, of course.

10) Ha! I saw that part and I laugh at myself for even bringing it up. It is silly.

11) I am going to say that I am wrong for saying that modern music is trash since it is a given that we all have different tastes in music. However, it is quite disappointing to see all this people who don't have musicality that go big and pop out in the radio all the time. This new "trap" genre being one of them. Yes, classic pop might have had the same meaning as to the songs we sing today but the fact that people pay an auto-tuned singer to listen to (regardless of the genre) and disregarding real singers and musicians is what I was trying to point out.

Now that you know that I am an immigrant, I hope you do not use it against me as to why I am even speaking in this particular debate. I have lived here and I have lived in another country, making it easier for me to compare and contrast and to speak from a perspective of an outsider along with the experiences of living here.

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I think it's becoming worse. People can claim autonomy for just about anything "because it's 2015 dammit." We also have environmental issues and roads are getting worse. Immigration is a joke and China isn't owning us any less now. I wouldn't really say education is in great shape and healthcare seems to be a pain for a lot of people. The middle class is getting punched in the gut more and more and prisons are crowded. But I mean hey, at least we have Obama at the helm. That makes me sleep better at night.

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People can claim autonomy for just about anything "because it's 2015 dammit."

I'm confused, what is wrong with autonomy? America prides itself as a country of freedom, after all.

We also have environmental issues and roads are getting worse.

I can certainly agree with you there, and I would say those are two of (in that presented order) the biggest issues facing the United States.

Immigration is a joke

Hardly for the first time in American history, though.

and China isn't owning us any less now.

China only owns 7.2% of our debt, actually.

I wouldn't really say education is in great shape

True, but it also isn't in horrible shape. Children are more and more educated than previous generations, even if our global rankings are further down than they used to be.

and healthcare seems to be a pain for a lot of people.

It certainly is, and it needs work, but for much of U.S. history healthcare itself was essentially non-existent, in that nobody but the richest could afford any of the rarely successful treatments available.

The middle class is getting punched in the gut more and more

True, globalization is certainly harming the middle class, but not as much as during the Great Depression.

and prisons are crowded. Also certainly true.

But I mean hey, at least we have Obama at the helm

I'm no fan of him, that is for certain, but he has attempted to work on the environment, infrastructure, and prison reform. I disagree with his healthcare reform, and it is too early to see how effective the education reform is, but still.

Side: Better, because...
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I'm confused, what is wrong with autonomy? America prides itself as a country of freedom, after all.

Think of situations like politicians. We can't have people completely working by themselves in a society.

I can certainly agree with you there, and I would say those are two of (in that presented order) the biggest issues facing the United States.

And, what has been done to fix those? Deny global warming and add amendments to kill Obamacare to bills for road work.

You pointing out that we have always screwed something up is not a good reason to disagree.

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Troy8(2433) Disputed
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The question wasn't "Is America greater than it has ever been?" Of course we're better off than pretty much every other moment in American history, but I certainly don't think at this very moment we are getting better.

I really don't see how you can disagree with based on the actual question.

I'm confused, what is wrong with autonomy? America prides itself as a country of freedom, after all.

Well I'm just talking about the idea that people have that they can just do whatever they want and they'll be celebrated because it's their choice and whatnot. It's difficult to explain, but it's definitely a growing mindset in America, people just hate being told what's good and bad for them which isn't bad in itself but when taken to the extreme it can be dangerous. Sorry if this is still unclear, I'd like to be able to express this notion more concisely.

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