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You have to be mentally incapacitated to believe the group who run Biblical Archeology are actually Christians. It does not take more than a few minutes looking at the site to see that they do not believe the Bible is the word of God, they do not believe in the deity or bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ...they are no more Christian than winos and witches are Christian.
Anybody who thinks people like those who run Biblical Archeology are Christians has to be something like a wino or a witch.....or severely mentally disabled.
1) You provide zero references or links to back up that there is any bias in this source.
2) The whole point of the link I had used was simply that the gospels were written many years after the death of Christ. That fact is largely accepted by even the vast majority of serious Christians. Do you deny that? Because if you don't deny that then there was nothing in the Biblical Archeology article to trigger your attempt to smear their credibility.
The Bible defines Christianity. The site you think is Christian rejects the deity of Jesus Christ and His bodily resurrection. If you do not believe in those two things, whatever it is you are calling Christian is not Christian according to the Bible.
If you can't understand this, you are just too dense and not worth my time to give Bible references.
It is very easy to find on the B.A. site that they do not believe in the deity of Jesus Christ or His bodily resurrection. It only took me about two minutes and I knew it was one of those kind of phony anti-Christian sites just by looking at the way their home page is constructed and who they claim praises their work.
They are not Biblical, they are just using that term as a catch to get more following for more money. If they were honest and not just plain greedy, they would call themselves something like Judaism/Middle East Archeology and admit that they are just like the rest of the Anti-Christ sites which are Hell bent on trying to make God look bad.
The whole point of the link you used is that you want to believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell. People like you pay those money grubbers at B.A. to help them feel like they have the right to exist outside of Hell. That's what it boils down to, you and others like you trying to justify your own lives and paying each other when you feel they do a good job of helping you believe that you are justified to exist outside of Hell.
Just a bunch of fools pretending to be wise....and you buy it.
They are not Christian and they are not Biblical. They are working to smear the Bible and teaching to deny the divinity of Christ and His bodily resurrection.
They should be sued for fraud for calling themselves "Biblical".
It's kind of hard to write books when paper is not easy to come by and those who believe the words of the books written, or caught carrying copies of the book, are thrown to the lions or used as human torches to light the garden of the Roman overlord.
It is anti-Christians who try to discredit the apostle John, and who try to deny the divinity of Christ and His bodily resurrection. The gospel story was passed mostly by word of mouth in the early days under constant threat of being tortured or killed if you believe in Jesus Christ. Writings had to be kept and passed along secretly and the news of the deity and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ could not be suppressed and the number of His followers only grew along with the persecution and in spite of people like "Biblical Archeology" who have been around trying to discredit the word of God ever since the Garden of Eden when the Serpent tempted Eve, saying "hath God said....?".
Yes, God said what He said and He made sure it was written down and preserved in spite of lions, torches, and the B.A. site.
The vast majority of people who are considered to be "serious Christians" are not Christians according to the Bible.
And it does not bother me exactly when the gospel of John was completed and compiled, it's the gospel according to John. It is entirely true and without error.
The ending of the book does credit the book to John as the author, and I'm sure the early Christians who faced torture and death if they would not renounce their faith were fully confident that what John wanted written in his name was written exactly as John wanted it as John was specially chosen and commissioned by Christ. You might want to read about Polycarp who was John's protege'. From the time of Christ to now there has been an unbroken chain of believers who obeyed the Lord, and kept His word pure, intact, and unchanged often at the cost of their own lives and there have always been those who try to change it or discredit it in other ways. God kept His word and made sure that we have it exactly as He promised He would.....and He used people who obeyed Him to do it.
People who try to discredit the Bible just don't use much common sense. They always base their attempts on presuppositions which are illogical and ignorant of the reality of Christ living in His followers by His Holy Spirit. You, nor B.A., will ever succeed in trying to convince the world that Jesus Christ is not alive, bodily risen from the dead, and is not God. Keep on trying, you are wasting your breath and worse: you are heaping more and more of God's wrath upon yourself.
You don't believe the Bible, the B.A. site does not believe the Bible, John was the closest disciple to Christ and the same as Jesus chose the apostles, the apostles chose others trusted to obey and keep the word of God....which you would do at the cost of your own life if you knew as they did that Jesus had conquered death, proved Himself to be God incarnate, and forgave them of the sins which He died for.
You nor B.A. nor any of the unending chain of scorners will ever stop the gospel from being preached and the word of God preserved by His command from being the unmovable foundation of the faith of saints.
It's the gospel according to John, John in detail at the end of the book testified that it was his account of the arrival, death, burial, and resurrection of God incarnate and the events and teachings of Christ which John was impressed to make sure they were written down.
It is you, and people like B.A., who believe in and practice revisionist history...trying to change, deny, and smear the record God gave of His Son....John 3:36
If B.A. were "Biblical", they would not be trying to discredit the Bible by saying John is not the originator of the gospel according to John.
Also, they would not be trying to deny the bodily resurrection, the full return to physical life Christ accomplished after He was crucified, proving that He is God after He proved in many ways before He was crucified that He is God.
It is very easy to find on B.A. that they deny the bodily resurrection of Christ, and that they deny His deity. It is no surprise they deny the validity of the book of John, and it is no surprise that you use such a site to support your arguments which win you nothing but death. You are arguing against your own life, you are defeating yourself by trying to prove that Jesus can't save you from Hell. It's just your pride, God does not owe you a "don't fry in Hell" card, you owe God time for your sins which were against Him, time that you can never pay off because you can never undo what you have done and you can never stop by your own efforts from being a sinner.
God is offering you full pardon, full reconciliation, full forgiveness through His Son NOW and forever, but you wont' believe it and you can't receive it if you won't believe it. If God owed you something for what you feel is good behavior, you would not have to die. You need to be saved, Grenache....your pride is taking you to Hell.
1) It is quite common among Christians to believe the Bible was written by men who were inspired by God, not a direct word for word from the mouth of God. You don't cease to be Christian just because you are not a literalist.
2) All academic journals refrain from stating opinion as fact. That's being a scholarly journal. Your request that they declare an oath of allegiance to your version of Christian belief would in fact invalidate their credibility as a scholarly journal.
3) To declare that every word has to be taken literal and that no research of where those words came from is valid is no different from the Catholic church persecuting astronomers who were proving the earth orbits the sun. The dark ages mentality is to declare that's what the word says and you're going to hell if you disagree with it. That's where you are, the dark ages.
4) Again, you completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of religious scholars already agree the gospels were written years after Christ's death. And you ignore the likelihood that a verbatim account is virtually impossible then.
Believing the gospel of John was not written by John himself is not the same thing as not believing in God or even not believing a word of the gospel of John is true. It's merely acknowleding the reality the Bible was written by religiously inspired men.
The gospel is the gospel of Jesus Christ. The word, gospel, means good news. The book of John is the gospel story from John's viewpoint, at the end of the book John claims to be the originator if not the direct author. I have no problem understanding that one or a few people chosen by and close to John carefully listened and passed on his words until they were written down under constant threat of being thrown to the lions or burned as human torches. I have no problem understanding that the men carefully chosen by Christ, His apostles, kept and obeyed His word and passed it along without fear for their own lives because of the marvelous things they had witnessed. Some things you do not forget, and some things are far too important to be handled slackly and unprotected and unpreserved. God made sure His word was kept and written down so that sinner like you can read it and if you won't believe it you will be judged by it and you will have no covering for your sins.
There is a reason that there has been and always will be a chain of believers from the time of Christ until today and throughout the future...because the gospel story is true and you have no hope without it.....no hope but that in death you will be exempt from Hell and you have no logical reason to believe you do not deserve to be dying the same as you are now in the fire of Hell forever.
All your contentions that the word of God are the same anti-Christ contentions upheld by B.A.
All you are doing is trying to discredit the Bible, trying to smear the divine character of Christ, trying to deny that He conquered death and is risen from the dead and lives today and forevermore.
That is what B.A. is all about, you and them are both anti-Christ and heaping up God's wrath against you....you are going against your own life, choosing death and hoping you are right in saying you deserve to be outside of Hell.
How can we be anti-Christ when we're not saying he did not exist? We're only saying the gospels were written by other men besides Christ, and in some cases not by the apostles themselves.
You are either with Jesus Christ or you are against Him. If you claim to be neutral, you are only fooling yourself (and maybe fooling others who like you are fooling themselves).
“He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth."
Jesus....Luke 11:23
B.A. insists Jesus Christ is not God, they insist He is not risen from the dead, He said He is God and He said He would rise bodily from the dead and He proved it. If you try to say He is not God and is not risen from the dead, you are against Him, you are anti-Christ. B.A. is an anti-Christ website praised by hordes of anti-Christ people.
People who say they think Jesus was a good teacher of morals and ethics while they reject the things he said against their sins and attitudes are liars who have an imaginary Jesus in their brains which is not Jesus Christ of the Bible.
You want Jesus Christ to be forever physically dead. You are anti-Christ. You want yourself to be permanently physically dead, you are fighting against your own life by fighting against the only One who can save you from your sins.
No. In fact the editor of BAR demonstrates his belief. It's just not word for word literalist like you are, which as I've said elsewhere in this thread is not uncommon. Many many Christians respectfully view the Bible as written by men, and men are not perfect.
You, like B.A., deny the fact that Christ is risen from the dead and is God. Because of what He did, His followers kept His word at the cost of their own lives in spite of torture and in spite of people like you and B.A. who want Christ dead and His word of no effect. Christ won, you are lost.
Because it applies to the people at B.A. the same as it applies to you and to me. For me it is good, for you and for the people at B.A. it is bad and all you can do is say "no, it's not true". You are going to find out in death, aren't you? You will see how much God owes you for your goodness, won't you? Yep.....and I think you know it deep in your heart and that is why you fight tooth and nail against the truth.
You are following liars, hoping that their lies are true. You are hoping that you have the right to exist outside of Hell and do not need to be saved by God the Savior, Jesus Christ who conquered death. You think you are being smart, strong, and wise but you are making a fool out of yourself.
It's possible Biblical Archeology lied. But it's far more likely that Bronze Age men writing gospels decades after the death of Christ embelished, chose words which may not actually have been direct quotes, or even outright lied.
You can quickly and easily find by reading the pages on B.A. that they do not believe Jesus Christ is God incarnate, or that He is bodily risen from the dead. Because of these two facts, they are neither Biblical or friends of Jesus Christ and real Christians who know Jesus Christ is their Savior and the Bible is His holy word. They are on a mission to discredit the Bible because it is lucrative for them to do it in a sophisticated manner.
You have put up nothing to dispute these points because you cannot. All you can do is the same thing B.A. does...try to discredit the Bible and there's not much point in spending a lot of time with somebody like you who jumps from one rabbit trail to the next any time the truth seems to be catching up to you.
Yeah, sure, people always lie and say that saw a guy risen from the dead and they believe He is God.....they always say that whenever their government says that anybody who does not hold Caesar to be the highest god will be thrown to the lions or burned at the stakes.
Why do you keep trying to butt in to other people's conversations? When I am talking to you, I will read your response. For now, there is no reason for me to read your response.
There you go again " Christian " with your continuing obsession with booze , you substituted the bile /bible for booze and you're still climbing the walls for booze aren't you " Christian ? "
I don't think I was talking to you; if I was, it was not something open to replies so I'm not reading your response, as this post is not open to replies and I will not read your response if you respond.
Sounds to me like you are admitting that you have no reliable source for anything you say. I know my source is reliable. The truth remains unchanged by your unbelief.
Show me one time on the site you love where they say that they believe Jesus Christ is God incarnate and that He rose from the dead Bodily. It is not there. The site is not Biblical, it is not Christian. If you think it is Biblical or Christian, you do not know what Biblical or Christian is.
If they were Biblical, they would talk about the tomb where Christ was buried and the Roman seal set under guard of Roman soldiers who were supposed to make sure the body stayed put so that followers of Christ could not steal the body and claim that Jesus rose from the dead as He said He would before He was crucified.
If they were Biblical, all of their archeology would be showing facts which support the Biblical account of history; the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ and His deity.
B.A. does nothing to show that they are Biblical, they should be sued for fraud for claiming to be Biblical.
They are phony, they deny the bodily resurrection of Christ, they deny His deity, any impression they give of "scholarly respect" for Christianity is a lie.
Their acclaim comes from a long list of people and organizations who deny the deity of Christ and His bodily resurrection and they do not believe the Bible.
Why is this so hard for you to understand? They are trying to destroy the faith of God in Jesus Christ, trying to keep people from believing the gospel of the death, burial, and resurrection of the Son of God. It's very easy to see from only a few minutes examining the site.
They are not Biblical, they are not Christian. I'm sure there are a lot of people who call themselves Christian and believe sites like B.A. while they do not believe the Bible...and I'm sure that if they are honest they can respect and appreciate the huge contributions of Christianity to culture and society.......but they are phonies, they do not respect real Christians, they mask their hatred of Biblical Christianity with an air of "sophistication". They reek of arrogance, they are on a mission to discredit the word of God and they are failing except for convincing people like you that you do not need to be saved.......and that is not success, it is deviant destruction taking you with them down to Hell.
Your Catholic brother is doing the same thing you are doing, trying to justify his life by what he thinks is his own goodness....and both of you are failing to justify your life and both of you are on your way to Hell.
It's not discrediting the bible. It's using it as a source of written history to not only find locations but try to have more of an in depth description of the people and the times....such as what they eat, how they lived, where locations in the bible are, and the like. It adds more dimension to the Bible.
Before you post your stupid witchy LOL, I read one sentence, five words of your post and that is what I am responding to.
There's really nothing more to say here, it's just annoying every time I see you say something stupid and that's why I usually do not read your posts and I try to pull out of any discussions with you.
Correct, it is not discrediting the Bible...it is TRYING to discredit the Bible. The word of God is eternal, it will stand forever and the anti-Christ witches and winos of the Biblical Archeology site will be judged by it. They think they are the judges of God's word....God is the Judge of them and they are on their way to Hell.
I read one sentence, five words of your post and that is what I am responding to.
Which is exactly why you are intentionally ignorant. I can see being ignorant of things, everyone is at some point. But you are intentionally so, it's like you fear information or different opinions. I've never seen anyone actually want to be stupid, so congratulations, you are the first.
Did you LOL again? I didn't notice, I did not read a word after I saw your icon....witches are cold, and it shows when they are told the truth. They often manage to hide their coldness from people who think they are good.
After he blew it off earlier in the debate thread he came back to say:
"I am not interested in any source which is or which claims to be Christian while they attempt to obliterate the authority of God's word. Of course you love a site like that because you know God's word condemns drunks."
Check out the source. These are hard core Christian believers seeking to learn the maximum about the Bible. He is dismissing their quest as beeing attempts "to obliterate the authority of God's word." Seems to me the exact opposite is the truth.
And the last dig about condemning drunks is just one more cheap shot based only on the fact my avatar is fine wine related.
Sorry, I would have debated this exactly where it was but of course he banned me right before trying to get away with another set of smears.
Ahhh I see, you must have been writing that as I gave that question.
Honestly, FW gives me a headache sometimes. It is cowardly to fear information simply because it doesn't add up to what he believes in which is his single source.
If a person's faith is so threatened that they can't even consider possible alternatives or educational study.... then their foundation for faith has cracks. But of course he wants to accuse them as being non-Christian, even though they are trying to understand and study the bible in a depth he can't or won't. That's par for the course, just as he bans those who bring facts and logic to his emotional debates, he will shun any findings or works that contribute to Christianity but don't fit his theme. I do believe having emotion in a subject isn't a bad thing at in, in fact many times I get where he is coming from; but denying all fact, reason, and logic just because it doesn't fit the bubble he wants it to be in, is.
Moving on though, I've said it before and I'll say it again, the study of Archaeology and the Bible is a fascinating one and I think I'll be taking a closer look at this magazine, so thank you again for bringing it to my attention.
Having knowledge of fine wine does not make that person a drunk.
To use your analogy back at you, having knowledge of Christianity does not in and of itself make you a holy roller religious nut. Nope. But indeed your fixation on posting every debate about that does indeed.
Hey, if I posted nonstop debates about wine, other alcohol, or drinking games, then you'd have a basis for your claim. I don't.
Quit drinking and I will believe you are not a drunk. You can't stop, can you? You say you can but you won't? Sure, I believe it. You can't because it's ingrained in your self-identification. You cannot leave it alone, you gotta have it because it is one of your favorite idols.
I cannot see how the study of ancient artifacts could be used to discredit Christianity. I have not heard any such claim being made so I do not believe it.
"The oldest shipwreck that we have discovered so far of that area is around 500 BC, classical period," Ballard said. "But the question is you just keep searching. It's a matter of statistics."
Still, Ballard said the find gives him hope that he will discover something older "because there, in fact, the deep sea is the largest museum on Earth," he said.
Ballard does not think he will ever find Noah's Ark, but he does think he may find evidence of a people whose entire world was washed away about 7,000 years ago. He and his team said they plan to return to Turkey next summer.
Intersting link it's something I would enjoy reading myself as it's nondenominational and merely interested in historical findings .
Now A Stain is barking mad and only worthy of ridicule and as a lover of the odd ' cheeky red or two ' I've also been called a drunkard ..... wonder what he does for fun ..... bible study or biblical jigsaws no doubt
I called you a drunk because you said you like to drink, and many times you acted like you had a belly full of booze while you typed........bizarre rabid animal stuff.
I said I enjoyed a social drink , yes . The veracity of my claims regarding your insanity is a given , that you think honestyly stating what is regarding your insanity is the result of excessive booze is merely a symptom of your ever increasing paranoia
I know what you said, and I know how you acted.....like a drunk. You often couldn't type straight, and your behavior was so outrageous and your words so blown up that I have to conclude you like getting drunk far more than in this moment of apparent semi-sobriety you want to admit. You love the intoxication, you are a drunk. When you turn against alcohol and stop using it, then you cease being a drunk but that will never happen, will it? I also know that you think you are justified to exist outside of the fire of Hell, and are exonerated in death. We are going to see who is insane, aren't we? If you cease to exist, sanity means nothing. If you wake up in Hell (which seems to be your destiny according to your own words) you will remember I tried to warn you, tried to tell you how you could know God's love, mercy, and salvation through the blood of His Son which would have been the covering of your sins but you preferred to keep your blood on your own head with no covering for your sins in Hell.
Say what you will. I know where I am going, and as you are fallen and rejecting the only remedy, I know where you are going.
You hate me for telling you the truth, and in your hatred you are quite rude so I read little if anything that you write. I read little of this post, you always say the same things and you know my message from the word of God does not change. I will see you one day......both in Heaven or me behind my Savior, my sins covered by His blood and adorned in white while you stand before Him with no covering for the shame of your sins.
You won't believe it until it happens, will you? Of course not, you think you are as good or better than God. Go on telling everybody what a wonderful person you are, and how you deserve to live and exist outside of the fire of Hell.
You probably don't take the time to read things from me even though I carefully wrote them directly for you with your best interests at heart. That's okay, I explained why I called you a drunk and why I still call you a drunk. I noticed you whining about me as if I am important in your life, so for others who may be reading you (unlike me), I set it straight.
You see that's another of your problems you consider valid criticism of your preaching to be whining ; as I've proved in the past you're obsessed with alcohol and accuse most of being drinkers this is proof that you're a reformed boozer who substituted the bible for the bottle and now you're just a sad soapbox preacher who deserves pity more than anything
Why don't you just quit reading my posts? My message does not change, I still say are a drunk because you can't quit drinking and you prefer to call yourself "social drinker" trying to cover up the ugliness of alcohol.
You don't want to be saved, you believe you are exonerated in death and exempt from Hell.....and you hate me for telling you that you are wrong on both of those beliefs. You can't converse with me without become profane and brutish, so I rarely read your posts and when I do, I usually am reading before I realize who the author is.
You're a boozing bully, and I've encountered a lot of bullies and still have all of my natural teeth. Bullies are just bags of hot air, and boozing just makes them stink.
You see that's another of your problems you consider valid criticism of your preaching to be whining ; as I've proved in the past you're obsessed with alcohol and accuse most of being drinkers this is proof that you're a reformed boozer who substituted the bible for the bottle and now you're just a sad soapbox preacher who deserves pity more than anything
Yeah, right....you have wanted to kill me ever since the first time you appeared here and seemed to explode after you blew up in response to my comments and left the site for some months. They hated Jesus and He said I should not be surprised when people like you hate me the same as they hated Him. I tell you what He said and you would crucify me or cheer those who did, the same as they treated Jesus for telling them the truth.
Your claim to have pity for me is meaningless and of no value......and your a liar for saying you pity me......and you like to drink so you are a drunk. I'm only going by your own words on that subject and you don't like it and that's just too bad.
I hope the best for you but you are against what is best for you so you won't have it, will you? Just say "no, I'll have death and live with it". God laughs at people like you, Dermit......and He is angry with you, and He loves you and if you won't repent and believe on His Son one day He is going to let you have the reality you want which is void of anything good from God ......and that reality is only in the fire of Hell......and you won't believe it until you find yourself unable to get out of the fire, will ya?
more of the same, yep...it's the truth. You can't stop drinking, can you?
I am a drunk pot head sodomite shroom taking LSD addict transgender monkey fucking devil worshiper on crack and I'm still more coherent than you, you're just mad at the world because your oral orifice is used as a receptacle for dirty speculums during rectal surgery performed on herniating elephants with grotesque ulcerating hemorrhoids. I will fuck a transgender monkey in the ass with a bible while I praise Beelzebub and shoot methamphetamine up my booty hole.