Fundamental principle of Socialism: "I'm breathing,I'm living, give me bread", what the hell, why? Right to live, Right to have bread without working for it is itself immoral; how can u argue for it ? Capitalism calls for voluntary transactions where I can go to a butcher shop and ask for a slice of bread and in return give the butcher a $20 dollar bill;
As far as economic viability, capitalism calls for limited government where there is a direct linkage between big corporations and people and if the people are dissatisfied with the quality of the products on offer, they can penalize the corporations and there would be no question of government bailouts using tax-payer money; If the business can't stay in business, it gets out
Fundamental principle of Socialism: "I'm breathing,I'm living, give me bread", what the hell, why?
They are human beings man. You are supposed to help your fellow man.
Right to live, Right to have bread without working for it is itself immoral
No it isn't. Making sure people eat is very much moral. That's exactly why churches are known for feeding people. Plus, it isn't supposed to be without working for it. Everyone is supposed to work.
how can u argue for it ?
Someone randomly picks you to defend it. :D
far as economic viability,
The debate is about equality, not viability. You are off topic.
If the business can't stay in business, it gets out
And if you worked for that business you wouldn't have the $20 for the butcher any more. How is it moral to allow that to happen?
"They are human beings man. You are supposed to help your fellow man."
No doubt they are, but they would have to work to live, simply forcing a guy to take medical studies so that he can go to medical school and later provide him medicine isn't moral
"Making sure people eat is very much moral."
Really even if they don't have the money, by the way, that is what capitalism calls for "Voluntary transactions" which will give u the money
"And if you worked for that business you wouldn't have the $20 for the butcher any more. How is it moral to allow that to happen?"
Well then I've to get into another one which stays in business-again-"Voluntary transaction and consensual relationship b/w employer and employee"
The number 1 issue the Republicans have is that they discuss politics in terms of viability and efficacy and not in terms of morality, which the Left uses to back its lies-look at Sanders, he does not care about what works , he cares about what's right, what's moral, so the best way to debate a guy on the left is to discuss in terms of morality, and that's what I'm doing, Cartman
Bullshit. Republicans only talk about morality. They only try to get elected on banning things they think are immoral instead of proposing the correct solutions to our problems.
Sanders proposed the systems in Europe that are working.
the best way to debate a guy on the left is to discuss in terms of morality, and that's what I'm doing, Cartman
You fucking idiot. There is no moral high ground in politics. Everyone has to lie in order to get elected which is immoral. The Republicans have been trying to pay the morality card for over a decade and it isn't working. When you debate someone in the left about morality they think about someone on your side who is immoral and assume whatever moral argument you made is bullshit because they can claim it came from an immoral source. The only way to debate someone in the left is to debate what actually works instead of just pointing out what doesn't work.
I am glad to see that you couldn't even be bothered to try honestly debating seeing as you made a trees and no question into yes and socialism/communism. That pretty much gives me the moral high ground. Hey, look at that, my side has the moral high ground and this is a debate about morals.
Check my points. I haven't downvoted you at all. The debate is private, but other people can still see our arguments and vote on them. I can't upvote myself and yet I have an argument with 2 points. Plus, the down votes didn't affect the score. You have 6 arguments and a debate score of 6.
I don't think morality plays into these economic systems. If we take the base systems they don't have any immoral properties. In capitalism you get to keep what you earn. Seems pretty moral to me. With socialism/communism everyone who is in the country is taken care of, which is pretty moral. The problems with the systems come from the actors involved and humans tend to be immoral a lot.
Oh really and then the blokes who raise the $15 minimum wage argument, they are happy to put the gun
on the heads of the CEO's so that they can redistribute their due wealth which they have earned, is that moral, mate? That's called stealing, interrupting the consensual relationship between the employer and employee
really and then the blokes who raise the $15 minimum wage argument,
Sorry, but you are talking about a capitalist system. Pointing out flaws in a capitalist system does not make me wrong.
they are happy to put the gun
on the heads of the CEO's so that they can redistribute their due wealth which they have earned, is that moral, mate?
The last few decades CEOs have walked away with a greater percentage of money, and the workers who actually do all of the work have been getting less. CEOs have never had problems surviving, but now the workers are having trouble. The moral capitalist system is breaking down.
That's called stealing, interrupting the consensual relationship between the employer and employee
If you can't figure out how to generate enough income to cover everyone's salaries you aren't a very good CEO.
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