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I wonder what sort of impact that might have on the concept of civil rights in an enlightened Christian society?
Maybe all the sinners should be grateful for the mercies of God, and use this as an opportunity to repent while they still can.
"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
There is no denying the correlation between the lie of separation of church and state, and the moral breakdown in America.
When you separate religious expression and moral values from a nation, the family unit falls apart. Without loving parents, our children grow up lacking the most basic of common sense morality.
What replaces this moral vacuum is one night hookups, promiscuous lifestyles, no fault anything goes values, etc.
It creates swollen welfare roles filled with unwed mothers and fatherless children. With each generation comes more broken famiies and more irresponsible children.
This opens the door to all types of problems in the future.
Almost every country on your great countries list stems from historical Christian dominance and is still majority Christian.
And almost every country on your shithole countries list is Islamic.
Please Bronto, stop lying for once in your idiotic life. You're a stupid bigoted nitwit. Almost every single shithole in Africa is Christian: Ethiopia, Zambia, Liberia, Djibouti, Eritrea, Congo, Cameroon, Angola, Gabon, Burundi, Kenya, Malawi, Rwanda, Mozambique, Uganda, Sudan, Tanzania, Lesotho, Botswana, Nambia, Swaziland, Ghana and Benin. All Christian shitholes.
I looked up your "secular" countries list. All other than Japan still have a Christian majority, and all have history of being basically totally Christian. Your list also leaves off the major players in the world economy-wise and population-wise, who are all heavily religious.
Sorry, but nobody in the modern world thinks Europe is great other than Europeans.
Not really. There are estimates of 30-40 million illegals, work visas, green cards, etc here, most who work, and Mexicans are basically 100% Christian. Meaning? The U.S. is about 90% Christian and growing as illegals pour in.
1) If an additional 10% of the population we added and they were 100% Christian, that wouldn't increase the number from 70% to 90%, it would only go up a couple percentage points.
210 million / 300 million = 70% Christian
add 30 million people who are 100% Christian
240 million / 330 million = 72.7% Christian
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2) This assumes that the poll excludes immigrants to begin with, which it doesn't.
ref, has a link where you can explore the detail by immigration status.
Secondly, Atheists are usually in predominantly Christian countries, thus, they assume that if Christianity is decreasing percentage-wise, that there are less Christians numbers-wise, which isn't neccessarily the case with immigration. They then assume a smaller Christian percentage means "less religious", which isn't neccessarily the case.
I have estimated above that the U.S. is about 90% Christian counting illegals/green card carriers, work visa holders etc. The theoretical nonChristian 10% still consists of millions of Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, etc.
Ilegal immigrants? Pretty much. Yup. I know second place isn't close, and Guatamala(2nd) is heavily religious as well.
The "83% of illegals are religious" is nonsense. They are coming from third world Christian nations. It's pretty close to 100%. I've never met an irreligious Mexican on a work visa. Lots of Catholics though..
According to Gallup poll, 18% claim "no religion", which would make 82% overtly and openly "religious". And "no religion" doesn't equal Atheist by default. It consists of undecideds, agnostics, universalists, Satanists, witchcraft and the like.
Technically true, but it's true for every other group as well, and they are still in the vast minority.
. And migration is now flooding faster now (1 million legals a year) than Atheism is growing. New progressive migration policies are the enemy of secularism making ground.
But not Atheist. Your claim is Atheism. There's a reason people like Neil Degrasse Tyson reject being called Atheists...because they aren't...atheists.
The only thing I see that I've said about atheists in this debate is where bronto says there aren't many atheists, I pointed out that there are more than ever, which is true.
And many unaffiliated people believe in non religious forms of creationism such as Simulation theory, the matrix, God is a kid at a computer, supreme inner dimensional beings seeded the Earth, God is our great grandchild who mastered immortality and time travel, God created a time loop and lives in said loop, etc.
And many unaffiliated people believe in non religious forms of creationism such as Simulation theory, the matrix, God is a kid at a computer, supreme inner dimensional beings seeded the Earth, God is our great grandchild who mastered immortality and time travel, God created a time loop and lives in said loop, etc
Most unaffiliated people are spiritual or think they could be. You are all alone Justignoreme. No one else really fully believes we were spawned to life from a basketball that hangs nowhere with nothing outside of it. Only you. Sorry for the bad news.
Mexico is a shithole country. It is why the hombres are running to the Americas like it is their last meal. And some of them are good people. They will pay in pesos. You've never seen so many pesos. No one makes Mexico pay in burritos like me. Believe me.
Size and population are two completely different things, you stupid deceitful Nazi. He's talking about number of believers and you're talking about geographical land area.
It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?” Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity."
" But the Mahommedan religion increases, instead of lessening, the fury of intolerance. It was originally propagated by the sword, and ever since its votaries have been subject, above the people of all other creeds, to this form of madness. In a moment the fruits of patient toil, the prospects of material prosperity, the fear of death itself, are flung aside. The more emotional Pathans are powerless to resist. All rational considerations are forgotten. Seizing their weapons, they become Ghazis—as dangerous and as sensible as mad dogs: fit only to be treated as such. While the more generous spirits among the tribesmen become convulsed in an ecstasy of religious bloodthirstiness, poorer and more material souls derive additional impulses from the influence of others, the hopes of plunder and the joy of fighting. Thus whole nations are roused to arms. Thus the Turks repel their enemies, the Arabs of the Soudan break the British squares, and the rising on the Indian frontier spreads far and wide. In each case civilisation is confronted with militant Mahommedanism. The forces of progress clash with those of reaction. The religion of blood and war is face to face with that of peace. Luckily the religion of peace is usually the better armed."
Winston Churchill, Conservative who fought the Nazis
And guess which man liberals agree with and which man's view they think is "Nazi".
Come on J. Address the topic. Is Islam bad, and is Christianity the only thing blocking it from taking over Europe? And when Christianity fades away in Europe, will it be Eurostan?
Why would a Progressive oppose the "Religion of Peace" that is called Islam ? Are you going against the wishes of your Progressive Handlers like Barack Obama ?
Ok, even if you don't believe in Jesus Christ as Savior and God and Son of Man, etc. Take that part out, but how can one not see values like: love/honor your parents, don't murder, don't steal, don't judge, be loving, be giving, be humble, compassionate, forgiving, help the poor, give unconditional love, etc, be a bad thing?
In any case, there is always going to be a war of values, beliefs, cultures, etc. If it ain't Christianity, maybe it'll be Islam, or maybe it'll just be "americanism", or maybe it'll just be capitalism/consumerism/secularism etc.....whatever it may be, someone or something will always be the ruling power. So pick your poison? Choose the lesser of two evils kind of thing.
Bronto is trying to take advantage of the myth that Muslims were responsible for 9/11. He knows full well that they were not.
The big problem for bronto's attempt to deceive people is that Dawkins, in the quote used, concedes the obvious. The WTC buildings were blown up. They didn't collapse because of pancakes. Someone blew them up.
So now you have to explain where fundamentalist Muslims obtained the specific type and quantity of explosives used to blow up 3 WTC buildings (military grade nanothermite according to professor Harrit's 2009 study), and how they smuggled all of that past WTC security.
The company in charge of WTC security, incidentally, was run by George W Bush's cousin. Before that, it had been run by his brother.
They didn't collapse because of pancakes. Someone blew them up.
Yes. Wahabbist Muslims from Saudi Arabia in airliners filled with fuel used as missiles. Even Obama admits this by going after Ben Laden.
Ben Laden claimed credit for the attack.
People on the ground got phone calls from passengers describing the hijackers as foreigners, Arabs, Muslims, etc.
Also, your theory would look very bad on Barack Obama, seeing he and Michelle are very close with the Bushes. It also would suggest that Hillary Clinton knew about said conspiracy, seeing her comments on many topics show that she was in the know on all top secret details within the government.
Your narrative would imply a conspiracy by globalist elites consisting of Democrats and RINOs, and would thus imply that we needed Trump to stop this madness. He is the only President since Reagan to not use billionaire Rockefeller's globalist term "a new world order" in which he claimed it would take the "right tragedy or catastrophe" to implant said order. Which in theory could explain why Obama was using surveillance on him, the DNC tried to frame him, and their media has declared a war on him. Rockefeller also praised the media, and the New York Times by name, for covering up their deeds and being their puppet.
And finally, Islamic terrorist groups continue to threaten another 9/11 to this day.
The point? Either you are completely dead wrong, or Liberals and RINOs are willing to use anything and do anything neccessary to get their NWO, including murdering 4,000 people, killing members of the government, destroying their own skyscrapers, fighting a war allowing a void for ISIS to fill, allowing CIA agents to be discovered and murdered in Benghazi, ousting Middle East leaders like Mobarek and Gaddafi to give territorial access to ISIS, taking out Sadaam Hussein to free up Iraq to Iran and/or ISIS, and intentionally allowing Russia access to Syria in order to destroy it. And if you are correct, Hillary winning would have guaranteed ISIS's growth and another 9/11 event would have been planned out by the globalists possibly in Europe or Mecca.
If you want to claim the above, I'm game on a constrained level, but the hijackers were Muslims, and even in your theory, the globalists used Islamic hate of the West as a tool knowing what maniac terrorists would and could do if they, the globalists, stepped aside and/or gave them a little help knowing what was planned by Al qaeda.
May the moving forward in our submission to God be effectual?
"Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven . Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
Islam by it's very nature is divisive. It's goal and aim is to rule the entire world or should we call it, "Islamize" the world. It's not that different from Christianity's goal which too, was to rule the world (evangelize to every nation). Coca Cola is the only entity that has actually conquered the world. They exist in more countries than either Christianity or Islam and McDonalds not far behind....I believe McDonalds has already bid for the moon. I don't actually think Islam fighting against western values is necessarily a bad thing. I think that if we didn't have another force trying to oppose the Western values from taking over the world, we'd have another threat or monster on our hands. It's almost as if having differing and competing beliefs keeps everyone in check from basically taking over the entire world and having a strangle hold on it. We need there to be opposition always. Without opposition, we would be living in another sort of totalitarian rule or system. Think about it like this: if one corporation monopolized the entire industry, it would be a bad thing because competition keeps prices competitive and low, and it allows for flexibility, diverse options etc. If everything was owned or run by one entity, think about how bad that would be and how easily it could turn into a one-sided affair.
Then why does the Bible order its followers to slaughter everybody who worships a different God? It is very specific in this. In fact, there is one Bible verse in particular in which God orders every inhabitant of every city in which a worshipper of other Gods is discovered, to be put to death:-
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
A global domination scheme is exactly what Christianity is. It isn't all it is, but for the cynically minded this phrase could actually be used as a definition.
"Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, they say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."
and
"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God."
Christianity is not a global domination scheme, it undermines all global domination schemes.
No, it is not very Christian to go around killing people for being worthless idol worshiping pagans. Christianity teaches...
"teach no other doctrine, neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: from which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen."
Charity is the Christian way.
Global domination? If global domination was the way, why does scripture say,
"Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; that thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."
Christianity is not a global domination scheme, you have it all wrong. Christianity teaches that God is sovereign over all things. There are already prophecies about these global domination schemes of men, and scripture makes it clear that these are schemes against us rather than for us.
I mean, you could probably find a dozen or more global domination schemes going on at any point in time, and Christianity is what you single out as a global domination scheme?
See, I don't think you are being deceptive on purpose. I think you are uneducated when it comes to these things. It might be better for you to consider that, and re-examine your views on what Jesus Christ is really about.
1)Your quoting Judaism, not Christianity, and even as such, the Jews aren't commanded to conquer the world by force. Muslims are.
2)Jesus taught to turn the other cheek, love your enemy, and not live by the sword.
3)The New Testament is clear that Christianity will decline and be persecuted, and to not be dismayed when it happens. This is the opposite of conquest commands.
Secondly, the greatest flaw in your logic is that you assume the religions are similar and that they teach the same general moral code. They aren't, and they don't.
Then why does the Bible order its followers to slaughter everybody who worships a different God
To be more specific, in this case, you would mean, "why did God order the slaughter of people sacrificing children to the devil by cooking them alive?" Of course you want the mass slaughter of conservatives without them cooking any children or even being violent. But that's your business.