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Creation Evolution
Debate Score:160
Arguments:67
Total Votes:185
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Is Earth the product of creation or evolution

Some people say that the earth is a product of a series of scientific changes and processes that were known as Evolution, while others argue that it is not about evolution but rather the creation of God. Some even argue that even if it is evolution, there has to be a divine force behind it which makes it the will and power of God to make Evolution take place.

Hope to hear from everybody what your opinion on this topic is.

Creation

Side Score: 54
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Evolution

Side Score: 106

Creative evolution ;)

Side: Creation
3 points

Im going to go ahead and say Created just to grab some attention here and then drop the bomb that the term has more than a theological meaning. If Im thinking correctly, The Big Bang caused the creation of the universe by cyclic destructionism in a Black Hole SINGULARity system. Thats creation, right? Though, one could very easily argue that space crud would have to clod together to form the Earth to begin with anyway, correct? Thus resulting in an "Evolution" Answer? Or one could easily make the obvious observation that this argument is the result of very zealous arguers of either creationism or biological evolution. Hmmm.

Side: Creation
3 points

It's silly to pit these as the only two options.

I believe the universe has a creator, but I believe he/she/it used evolution as a tool.

Side: Neither
2 points

I think it could be both of them, because i don't understand how a big bang and evolution could make something as great as we are, it just doesn't make any sense. To me it seems more believable that God created everything. But then again, if their is a God which out of the many religions is the right one.

I don't have a religion, but i do think their is a God and i think God or the Higher Being made the big bang happen and the all the evolution stuff.

See here's a theory that involves God and Evolution. Everyone is Happy! :)

Side: Neither
6 points

I think it could be both of them

The theories are mutually exclusive.

because i don't understand how a big bang and evolution could make something as great as we are

1. Ignorance does not equate to evidence.

2. The reason that you cannot establish a connection between the concepts is that you have never actually educated yourself on them.

To me it seems more believable that God created everything.

If you find the idea of a magical being willing all of space into existence more believable than credible extrapolations and conclusions based on what has been observed (i.e science), then you may be advised to seek medical help.

But then again, if their is a God which out of the many religions is the right one.

Simple; none.

I don't have a religion, but i do think their is a God and i think God or the Higher Being made the big bang happen and the all the evolution stuff.

This is what I call ceding territory. As more and more of your theories are discredited by scientific progress, you try to make the discoveries fit into your beliefs. It's sheer stubbornness.

See here's a theory that involves God and Evolution. Everyone is Happy!

I'm not happy with it. We first came to the concept of evolution by observing regional variations of organisms over multiple generations. Religion is based entirely upon the wild imaginings of persons whose ignorance left them knowing no better.

Side: Evolution
zephyr20x6(2387) Disputed
4 points

"I think it could be both of them,"

fair enough, all though an all powerful god wouldn't need to use the process of evolution and use the big bang, we could come into existence perfectly at the snap of his fingers.

"because i don't understand how a big bang and evolution could make something as great as we are,"

I can, its not that complicated, saying we are impossible to be created naturally based off of your subjective opinion of us being so great isn't logical. I think I might be misunderstanding your statement a bit, I don't see how putting god in the equation makes it any simpler...

"To me it seems more believable that God created everything."

really? how? theres not really a good reason to believe it other than "its possible" which still it pretty bogus itself.

"But then again, if their is a God which out of the many religions is the right one."

probably none of them

"See here's a theory that involves God and Evolution. Everyone is Happy! :)"

Im not so happy, trying to come up with a possible conclusion that makes everybody happy isn't scientific at all, but looking at the facts and coming up with conclusions based on that is scientific.

Side: Evolution
A4B4(50) Disputed
1 point

I only mean to dispute your first point. That God could create the universe at the snap of His fingers is irrelevant. The question is did He? The answer is most probably not. I, for one, accept the scientific revelation that the universe is 14.7 billion years old, and that every element within me, with the sole exception of hydrogen, came from an expired star.

I should like to point out, however, that it is entirely possible to believe in a universe completely deterministic and yet to believe in a divine Creator. Though poorly articulated, the argument which you disputed indeed has some merit.

Side: Creation
atomandeve(12) Disputed
3 points

"to me it seems more believable that God created everything"

how believable something seems bears absolutely no relation to what actually occurred. Many people think that 'it doesn't seem believable' that such a complex being could have evolved through the mechanisms of natural selection... as if this somehow provides a credible refutation of evolution. Truth is not determined by what SEEMS most likely to you, truth is determined by what actually happened.

[Also EVOLUTION has nothing to do with the genesis of the earth....so I can't really say that my answer is "evolution" because the would be doing a disservice to general knowledge]

Side: Evolution
2 points

Firstly, I don't mean to suppose creationism in terms of human life, or anything like that -- that's not the topic. I don't particularly like the scope of this debate, the options aren't 'creationism' or 'evolution'. That's rather naive. I'll side with creation for the simple reason that it's arbitrary to me, so I'll pick the one I'm expected to pick.

Evolution as a cosmology is nonsense. The universe is not building up, it is in fact winding down. All physicists agree on this point. Eventually the universe will die. As we are talking about the creation of the earth this seems to suppose a matter of cosmology, and as such evolution is not that case.

The reason I suppose creation is my own conviction, I have reasons, but my conclusion is implicit. My siding with creation here is arbitrary. Farewell.

Side: Creation
2 points

well lets look at it this way Atheists and evolutionists and agnostic-atheists (contradictory name) all believe that there had to be a first cause. god is that first cause. but lets leave religion out of it and just focus on God as all of religion combined. we cannot make the argument that since we cannot see god we shouldn't believe, due to this being ignorant of god's reason for not letting us understand (see) him in the first place because that is what establishes a relationship between the creation and the creator.

Side: Creation
2 points

its simple . no matter what a human has done or will do to find a reason (purpose) for this life whether its science or doing mushrooms or acid lol. Those people will never find any other solution but to know that God was the big bang that you evolutionists believe is the cause. so this discussion is merely an argument about one thing. Evolutionists believe the big bang is god.

Side: Creation
2 points

Creation. definately creation. How would the earth have evovled over "billions of years"? when in reatlity it is only a few thousand years old?

Side: Creation
1 point

The world didn't evolve, or adapt. It formed by gravity bringing stardust together. So, neither.

Side: Creation
1 point

I support creation because evolution is believed to have started from algae, but how did the algae know how to mutate in the right time? And how did it evolve suddenly into an ape, which then turned into a human? Surely if we all evolved from the same thing we would have same DNA's right? But we don't so evolution is not something that I would believe.

Side: Creation
12 points

Neither. Creationism is a Christian Myth and Evolution is the process of how life changes and diversifies after it's already started. The formation and process of the Earth and how it came to be is something else entirely.

Side: Neither
sayyad99(773) Disputed
2 points

Furthermore, not only christianity believes in creationism but almost every religion on earth believes the same thing.

Side: Creation
TheHallow1(78) Disputed
7 points

"Furthermore, not only christianity believes in creationism but almost every religion on earth believes the same thing."

That's because they had no knowledge of what we know now. They had no methods of examining deep space and watching how stars and planets form. God was a concept used by the ancients to explain that which they couldn't understand. Nothing more. Man created god. Not the other way around.

Side: Neither
Elvira(3446) Disputed
1 point

Buddhism doesn't.

Side: Evolution
1 point

Am I mistaken in thinking that planetary evolution seeks to explain how the earth formed and then slowly changed into the environment it is today? I may be wrong about sayyad99's intentions, but the debate makes a little more sense if you assume he is referring to that type of evolution.

Side: Evolution
Jasen(3) Disputed
0 points

Creationism hasn't been disproved.

Evolution hasn't been proved - only those aspects that are in line with the word of God in evolution have been proved, hence supporting creationism and the word of God. Science has never disproved the bible, in fact is is a common fact, that the bible has only always corrected alternative scientific views. Where scientific views have appeared to contradict the word of God, they have always been subsequently corrected, when evidence comes up to challenge their assumptions. This has and always will be the case:)

Side: Creation
ricedaragh(2494) Disputed
1 point

I genuinely don't know whether to take your post seriously or not, is the emoticon meant to mean that you are being sarcastic. If not, read on if so ignore.

Creationism hasn't been disproved.

That is because basically it cannot be.

Evolution hasn't been proved

Yes it has, there is mountains of evidence that prove evolution. Including actual evolution being observed.

only those aspects that are in line with the word of God in evolution have been proved

Such as? Tell me where in the bible anything relating to the evolution of life is discussed.

Science has never disproved the bible

Indeed it has what about Noah's flood, completely rubbished. Also the common accepted age of the earth as told by Christians and the like to be less than ten thousand years when radiometric dating clearly puts it at around four and a half billion years old.

in fact is is a common fact, that the bible has only always corrected alternative scientific views.Where scientific views have appeared to contradict the word of God, they have always been subsequently corrected, when evidence comes up to challenge their assumptions. This has and always will be the case

How so? Do you know anything about the scientific method? I'm not aware of any professor or researcher that I've dealt with that immediately turns to their bible in order to obtain guidance or reference. If this were true, then the bible would be used to lecture science and it is not.

Side: Evolution
sayyad99(773) Disputed
-2 points
TheHallow1(78) Disputed
7 points

"I believe that there is a God who is behind every single thing that happens."

Feel free. But that won't make it so. The god excuse is the last resort of a man with all questions and no answers.

"If there is no God, then how come we cry and have emotions as part of our feelings?"

That's probably the weakest argument a Theist could use. That's like asking, "Well, if there is no god, then how does the next tissue pop up from the box?"

Side: Neither
aveskde(1935) Disputed
6 points

However, in many holy scriptures, many scientific details are discussed at which no time, no scientific equipments were developed.

This is fallacious reasoning, essentially an argument from ignorance followed by a non sequitur. You don't know how the Quran could describe certain details that agree in some abstract or vague way with modern knowledge, so you assume that an infinitely complex magical being is behind it.

The simple explanation is that the Quran makes many guesses about the natural world and universe, and some vague predictions might be correct but most are not.

Like in the Quran states that the appearance of the gum already chewed with the teeth marks on it resembles a fetus at its early stage in the womb.

Abortions have occurred almost as long as pregnancy was possible. There are miscarriages, natural abortions that occur without anyone the wiser, and there are various natural compounds that cause women to abort.

I believe that there is a God who is behind every single thing that happens.

Then you had better prove it.

If there is no God, then how come we cry and have emotions as part of our feelings?

Emotions are natural things, and evolution is the natural process that derives these complex mechanisms.

Side: Neither
6 points

"there has to be a divine force behind it"

Yeah. It's called Gravity.

Side: Neither
6 points

Evolutionary theory does not cover the planet merely life that exists on it.

Side: Evolution
3 points

There is data that proves that Earth was the product of evolution. We have rock samples, dust samples, fossils etc.

Side: Evolution
ricedaragh(2494) Disputed
2 points

Can you show me these data please. Evolution by natural selection is purely a biological theory, and fossils are preserved biological matter, samples of rocks, and other inorganics are used only to date the fossils by radiometric dating or simple comparison of strata.

Side: Creation
CJames(16) Disputed
2 points

Go research the lenski experiments: simply put he starved bacteria and over generations became larger and larger until some evolved the ability to consume the filler material he mixed with his glucose.

Are you completely ignorant of how scientific fields interact? Geology can show us when fossils were as can radiometric dating. Both of those show us when different life forms existed and the transition in between.

Side: Evolution
2 points

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Side: Evolution

Some people say that the earth is a product of a series of scientific changes and processes that were known as Evolution

Who said that? How could scientific changes occur before science was invented? How could a biological system influence the mechanics that resulted in the earth's formation?

Side: Evolution
1 point

yes, it struck me as odd that the Earth was undergoing a process of natural selection when, as far as I have seen, the Earth has not reproduced at all.

I suppose if you want to argue Gaia theory, the Earth is a superorganism, but even then a better term could be used.

I opted for "natural causes" as opposed to "divine causes"

Side: natural causes
2 points

I personally believe it is creation. The experts say it is evolution but still has not proved it is evolution. There are many facts showing that some of the studies done to prove evolution are false. Also, in the Bible it talks about many things to come, which many things that are in the Bible have come to pass. Could you tell me how someone, so many years ago new everything that was going to come to pass but still it's possible it's evolution?

Side: Creation
1 point

my vote is for evolution, with how humans and other species around the world came to be.

However I thought that i would bring up a point that science has not yet answered. "What caused the big bang" if all matter was in a stable state of singularity, what triggered the explosion/expansion? something triggered it, and can that something be called a "higher power"?

Just a thought, hope to hear your views on that. thx.

Side: Evolution
1 point

Well here is a view:

We don't know yet. It is a very difficult question to answer, and we probably do not have the technological or intellectual capabilities to find or interpret the evidence at this time. That does not mean the answer is not there, or that we should superimpose an answer just to satiate our curiosity.

There are some wild hypotheses proposed by very intelligent and respected physicists, but none of them are accepted by the scientific community because they cannot provide falsifiable evidence. Thus, while they are interesting to talk about and possible answers, there is no reason at this point to accept them as truth. Much like God.

So yes, science cannot answer the question yet, but there is no reason to think we never will. Can that something be called a "higher power?" We won't know until we figure out what that something is. I just hope we find the answer before I die because I am quite curious :)

Side: Evolution
Raider(40) Disputed
1 point

I for one am for creation For all of u thinking already about how stupid I am or I would know the truth if it slapped me in the face, hear me out. First of all evolution is not a proven fact it is theory and only that. For one where is ur "missing link" that is a big fault in the theory of evolution. Second if we evolved from monkeys then y don't the monkeys now a days don't evolve into humans ? I for one haven't seen a half human half monkey baby being born.

Side: Creation
zombee(1026) Disputed
1 point

First of all evolution is not a proven fact it is theory and only that. For one where is ur "missing link" that is a big fault in the theory of evolution.

The fact that our bodies is made up of cells is also a theory, called cell theory. Just because something a theory does not necessarily mean there is any significant amount of doubt, just that science is careful to avoid absolutes.

For one where is ur "missing link" that is a big fault in the theory of evolution.

This is an outdated argument probably stemming from a misunderstanding of evolution. Every generation and in fact every reproducing organism is a part of the puzzle of evolution. It is better represented as a tree than a chain.

Second if we evolved from monkeys then y don't the monkeys now a days don't evolve into humans ?

Humans did not descend from monkeys just like you did not descend from your cousins. We share a common ancestor like you and your cousin share grandparents.

Side: Evolution

I have seen no one able to recreate anything 'God' had made, but I saw a recent article and video on a debate that showed birds are adapting to highway life.

So I believe evolution because there is more evidence in it's favor.

Side: Evolution

Since no human being was around to witness how Earth was created, I will have to say, "I Don't Know."

Side: Evolution