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Is Evolution Fact or Fiction?

Evolution is the most important question in the science community. 

For years there has been argument if Man Evolved, or God Made Man.

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Fiction, God made man.

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Evolution is the non-random change in a species genes that causes a new feature. Now this feature does not have to aid its survival, thats a common misconception. Natural selection is when a particular animal in a species has adapted to its environment in a way that aids its survival and because it out lasts those animals of the same species who did not possess that feature or quality that aided survival it could reproduce and pass on those genes. Just thought id make that clear.

Is anything really a fact? I'd say evolution is a theory that is very heavily supported with evidence to the extent that it might aswell be a fact, like gravity. Alot of people who dont believe in evolution often use the criticism that there isnt clear evidence of the macro-evolution (the change of one species to another). The thing is though time means nothing for evolution, small changes over vast periods of time is what causes one species to depart from what from what its predecessors were. For example, say there was a animal 20000 years ago that when we look at say a bunny rabbit and a tiger they both shared in common quite alot of genes with this animal that existed 20000 years ago. Of course a rabbit and a tiger are different but when we trace back all of each animals predecessors eventually we reach the animal that existed 20000 years ago. This animal would have went through changes over time in each generation of it that made it a tiger or a rabbit. Since there are more than one of this animal it would be logical to assume that one version of these animals went through different changes in its generations than the others to come to a rabbit or a tiger. I do believe Richard Dawkins termed this the hairpin curve. I could go on and on about this for a very long time so i only gave so very brief and concise version. Evolution is a theory but it essentially is a fact and i have yet to see any other logical theory that can effectively, with use of evidence and alot of it, disprove evolution or even rival it with some force, so that makes it a well respectable and backed up fact in my opinion and the opinion of MANY others.

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Evolution has been pretty much proven.

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In this day and age how is this even still a debate? Even a majority of Christians (not including the fundamentalists) agree that it happened.

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Ikr? Even with all this information freely available, one would think that creationists would be able to muster better oppositions than over-used misconceptions.

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all evidence points in the general direction of evolution.

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Evolution is only a theory. Science has yet to prove if evolution is for real.

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Cuaroc(8829) Clarified
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Learn the definition of a scientific theory.

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Evolution is the most important question in the science community.

No, it's not. It's not a question in the science community at all.

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thousandin1(1931) Clarified
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While I support the theory of evolution myself, it certainly is a question in the science community. Pretty much everything in the science community is a question of sorts; theories represent the best fit to available data, but are revised as needed when new data becomes available.

Even now, research in the scientific community is undertaken by both proponents and opponents of evolution, each trying to find an answer that fits their model; ideally both sides could be trusted to be honest regarding their findings, but life is rarely ideal.

The beauty of science, in my mind, is that there are always more questions to ask, whether about existing theories or new hypotheses. Something thought debunked can gain credence in light of new data, and something once thought true can be debunked by new data. It's a quest with no end, but it doesn't need one because the quest itself is its own reward.

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The question I'm referring to is "Evolution: fact or fiction?" While scientists are debating the details, not many of them are arguing that evolution doesn't happen.

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Theres basically more evidence for evolution than there is for gravity.

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I believe it's true. Humans did evolve tremendously over the past few decades, both psychologically as well as physically.The day to day pressures surrounding each individual might have triggered this change.

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there is no prove that clearly depicts how man evolved from something. But, i do agree with the fact that man has gone through adaptation over the years to suit environmental changes.

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Evolution suggests we evolved from single celled organism into what we are today. But how can a single cell evolve into more cells if there is just one cell? And how did it all start? Evolution doesn't give a clear explanation of how it all began. All it says is that we started off of single celled organism and there was no great cause to start it off. When I think of Evolution I think of micro evolution and macro evolution.

Micro evolution exists because we see that in natural selection that the fittest survive adapt to the environment and pass on their traits. They make a new species but it's still the same animal but they don't have the same thing as the other animal. For example, let’s take a set of animals who are adapted to a cool climate. Suddenly there is a drought in the area that separates the cool climate ones and the others that stayed behind to pass on their traits to be able to adapt to the hotter climate. All they created is a new species that can adapt to the hotter climate but we didn't create a different animal of some sort. It's still the same animal except now it can be in a hotter climate. That is why there we don't see any evidence of Macroevolution because Macroevolution is making a fish evolve over time into a cow or other bigger animals.

Also evolution says that life came from non-life basically spontaneous generation. This has been disproved by a scientist who was actually testing spontaneous generation. Louis Pasteur didn’t believe in spontaneous generation and what he did in his experiment is he took a nutrient broth and put it in a curved neck flash and he waited over a year to see if anything would come out of it and nothing happened. So after the year he broke off the curved flask and the day after he broke it, it was full of life. Pasteur actually put an end to the idea of Spontaneous generation.

So evolution requires spontaneous generation and which has been disproved (spontaneous generation) then evolution is actually isn’t true.

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While your position is well-written, it's not well thought out. There are a minor issues with each point of your position, ranging from false assumptions, lack of information, and misinterpretation. With these issue combined, I don't believe that your argument holds water.

Firstly, lets look at bacteria. Each individual cell is an organism, and yet these organisms work together, forming a tissue of sorts. The outermost layer is typically dead cells that serve to shield the living cells inside from harmful substances and species- much like the skin on a larger organism. One could look at a bacteria colony as a sort of transition stage between single celled organisms and multicellular life. This is actually a pretty accurate comparison, as the genes of the bacteria have adapted for them to grow in colonies in this manner.

Genetic drift and genetic changes in species occur regardless of whether there is selective pressure at play. Changes in conditions highlight these changes, so to speak, as each makes the organism more or less fit for the environment, more or less able to successfully reproduce. When two populations of a species are separated, and under different conditions, those conditions shape the direction that the 'successful' instances of genetic drift move toward. Forming another species does not happen immediately, or anywhere close to quickly. Take a look at dogs, for example; different breeds of dogs have been formed by selective breeding, and the various breeds of dogs are incredibly diverse. But, all of them are still the same species, still compatible genetically speaking. There hasn't been sufficient time or sufficient control in the entire history of dog breeding to cause speciation; this is why evolution is measured in millions/billions of years, rather than thousands. But yet, the effects can be seen, and the difference in breeds is due to difference in genetics; let the genes continue to drift, continue breeding selectively, and eventually the species will no longer be genetically compatible. That's not speculation, it's simple observation and math.

Furthermore, the experiment in question does not disprove spontaneous generation, at all. The experiment demonstrated only one thing: That the specific conditions used in said experiment were not observed to result in spontaneous generation. Perhaps the conditions were wrong, hence why generation didn't occur. Perhaps the conditions were right, but the chances of spontaneous generation occurring under even ideal conditions are low. Perhaps the conditions were right, the chances of spontaneous generation occurring under ideal conditions is high, and it was simply a case of bad luck. But the ONLY thing that the experiment proved was that, as I noted earlier, spontaneous generation is not guaranteed to occur under the conditions used; it says nothing regarding whether or not spontaneous generation can occur, and nothing about the likelihood of it occurring or not.

As such, your conclusion is false as it makes an untrue assumption. That said, I am not asserting that evolution is undeniably true, just that your statement here does nothing to actually discredit evolution.

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zico20(345) Clarified
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Sure, ONE experiment does not disprove spontaneous generation, but how about the millions of experiments with every possible combination of chemicals plus every possible condition on Earth. They all have failed. At some point people are going to have to give up this fallacy that life can start from non life. But we know where that leads for many , and they don't want to go down that path. (God)

It is kind of ironic how atheists/ evolutionists declare science on their side with experiments and observation but conveniently overlook this one. I guess science is only appropriate if it fits their needs, otherwise, they ignore scientific tests and observations.

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MuckaMcCaw(1970) Disputed
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But how can a single cell evolve into more cells if there is just one cell?

What force do you know that would stop it?

There are numerous ways this could happen, but the most likely and common seems to be something like this: billions of years ago, many single celled organisms were non-mobile. As they reproduced, the next generation lived right next to its parents and siblings. Early single-celled organisms weren't very complex yet (even compared to modern ones) and had fairly mutable, simplistic DNA. Mutations and adaptation to environmental changes were fairly easy to come by. It wasn't long before individuals started interacting with their neighbors. Eventually they started sharing metabolisms and and became so reliant on the communities that the DNA reflected that. Gradually, the DNA was creating more aspects to be used by outside cells, that it was essentially inevitable (and probably easier) to simply reproduce more than one cell per generation.

Micro evolution exists because we see that in natural selection that the fittest survive adapt to the environment and pass on their traits. They make a new species but it's still the same animal but they don't have the same thing as the other animal.

You said both "a new species" and "still the same animal". Which is it? If you admit it is a new species, then you admit to macro-evolution, because that is what macro is all about, delineating between groups and species is the lowest level of that.

Also evolution says that life came from non-life basically spontaneous generation.

No, you are talking about abiogenesis. Evolution requires life in the first place (to have something to evolve) and the theory of natural selection can't be applied until after the first life form is up an dunning. It wouldn't matter if abiogenesis occurred or if God created the first life, the principles of evolution would be unchanged are still sound.

Louis Pasteur didn’t believe in spontaneous generation and what he did in his experiment is he took a nutrient broth and put it in a curved neck flash and he waited over a year to see if anything would come out of it and nothing happened.

How similar do you think the environment was in his flask to the environment of earth's young oceans 4 billion years ago? If someone were to prove that you can't swim through rocks, does it prove you can't swim anywhere?

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J-Roc77(70) Disputed
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I suggest getting your religion from religious sources and science from scientific ones. Your post suggest you have been fed inaccuracies about this science.

All it says is that we started off of single celled organism and there was no great cause to start it off.....Also evolution says that life came from non-life basically spontaneous generation.

Evolution does not make the claim that life started spontaneously. How life started is not a part of evolutionary theory, you are tacking it onto evolution here.

When I think of Evolution I think of micro evolution and macro evolution.

This is always where the issue is. You are using scientific terms here but not understanding/using scientific definitions. Macro evolution is the many accumulations of micro evolution. A species starting from a point in time 'A' over a long period of time and while being influenced by changes in their stimuli such as; climate, geography and interaction with other species will look different after many generations at the point in time 'B'. So much in fact that the species at point 'A' may not be sexually compatible or recognizable to itself at point 'B'. Now extend this timeline to C,D, E and so on. Certainly 'M' will differ greatly from 'A'. Over enough time these changes can be amazingly great, or if the species stays roughly in the same 'zone' very little changes.

I am not sure you grasp the timetable these changes take place over.

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zico20(345) Disputed
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Macro evolution has never been tested or observed. Your comment about accumulations of micro evolution over time leading to different species is just an opinion. It could very well be true, but we see no transitional species today, which is a big problem for macro evolution.

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pakicetus(1455) Disputed
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Before you post another poorly thought out argument, check for a dispute here: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/

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zico20(345) Clarified
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I checked out that website, and it seems to me that you think I am a creationist. What would give you that idea? If I am mistaken, then my apologies to you.

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DrawFour(2662) Disputed
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I rarely dispute so this is kind of a big thing for me, but this is just wrong.

"he took a nutrient broth and put it in a curved neck flash and he waited over a year to see if anything would come out of it and nothing happened"

His experiment is flawed. He only gave it the limited amount of time. Your saying that "it can't happen, because it didn't happen in this limited amount of time" is basically you're basically saying that "You can't cook noodles, because you can't cook them in 30 seconds" or some other example of putting a premature limit on something with either a longer one or one that we do not yet know of.

That flaw in his experiment aside, there's no way we can tell what events took place during the time of potential spontaneous life, so their is no way to know if his experiment was the same as the time spontaneous life probably occurred.

Now on to the flaw with the only alternative to evolution, God. If like can't spontaneously exist, who on earth can God? Note that it's already been established that his 'omnipotence' isn't actually able to do anything. He can't do the logically impossible, like making a 4 sided triangle, so he can not create himself before he is created.

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