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Is Facsism Naziism?

Its! Or is it?

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Side Score: 7
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Side Score: 13

Nazis support supremacy and so do fascists. We should know that, based off of Hitler's reign.

Side: Yes
1 point

Fascism is radical authoritarian nationalism. Nazism is merely a specific brand of that in which the white race is the model around which the radical authoritarian nationalism gets implemented.

Side: Yes

Nazism is just Neo-Fascism, made up by fools playing dictator.

Side: Yes
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

Diaper Boy are you saying Benito Mussolini was a White Supremacist ?

1. Mussolini had a penchant for violence even as a youth.

Born on July 29, 1883, Mussolini gained a reputation for bullying and fighting during his childhood. At age 10 he was expelled from a religious boarding school for stabbing a classmate in the hand, and another stabbing incident took place at his next school. He also admitted to knifing a girlfriend in the arm. Meanwhile, he purportedly pinched people at church to make them cry, led gangs of boys on raids of local farmsteads and eventually became adept at dueling with swords. When the New York Times reported on Mussolini’s May 1922 duel against a rival newspaper editor, it mentioned that he bore over 100 wounds received in battle.

2. Mussolini was a socialist before becoming a fascist.

Born to a socialist father, Mussolini was named after leftist Mexican President Benito Juárez. His two middle names, Amilcare and Andrea, came from Italian socialists Amilcare Cipriani and Andrea Costa. Early in Mussolini’s life, for instance, those names seemed appropriate. While living in Switzerland from 1902 to 1904, he cultivated an intellectual image and wrote for socialist periodicals such as L’Avvenire del Lavoratore (The Worker’s Future). He then served in the Italian army for nearly two years before resuming his career as a teacher and journalist. In his articles and speeches, Mussolini preached violent revolution, praised famed communist thinker Karl Marx and criticized patriotism. In 1912 he became editor of Avanti! (Forward!), the official daily newspaper of Italy’s Socialist Party. But he was expelled from the party two years later over his support for World War I. By 1919 a radically changed Mussolini had founded the fascist movement, which would later become the Fascist Party.

Paint it any color you want Diaper Boy ! Fascism , Socialism and Communism are all the same and adored by the American Left today !

Side: Yes
marcusmoon(586) Disputed
1 point

Grenache,

Fascism is radical authoritarian nationalism. Nazism is merely a specific brand of that in which the white race is the model around which the radical authoritarian nationalism gets implemented.

Actually, Fascism, like National Socialism (Nazism) is a specific politico-economic philosophy. One is no more a member/subset of the other than an Islamic kingdom is a member of feudalism. They are distinct types of monarchies-separate things within the same category.

I think the term you actually mean is the one you leaned on throughout your statement: radical authoritarian nationalism. It is the perfect way to characterize the actual similarities and relationship between Nazism and Fascism!

Both Nazism and Fascism are distinct types of radical authoritarian nationalism.

Side: No
1 point

Fair enough. Thanks ....................................................................................

Side: No
1 point

Time to face the facts ! All the "ist" and "ism" are all tied to the American Left. The list is to long to waste time on. But you can bet the majority of the American People are real tired of the nonsense on the Left yet the Left just can't understand why the name calling will not get them elected. The Left cannot run on issue because it involves "ist" or "ism". They are totally blinded by ideology !

Side: Yes
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I think most Nazis would be fascists, but many fascists wouldn't be Nazis. Nazism is specifically to do with Germanic sort of things if I'm not mistaken, while fascism is just about dictatorship, and govt control of business and labor.

Side: No

I think you are right on both counts, but Nazism and Fascism are one of those things that are very similar, but one is extreme.

Side: Yes
marcusmoon(586) Clarified
1 point

The Philosophies

Although Nazism and Fascism are similar both in foundational political outlook and historical practice, they are two completely different politico-economic philosophies. Both are highly nationalistic and center on authoritarian government control, but their economic principles are different.

Nazi is short for National Socialism. In order to be a Nazi, one has to be a socialist in addition to being a nationalist.

Fascism, by contrast is not socialist. Although it includes a governmentally regulated economy, and strong regulation of industry and labor for the sake of social control, it is anti-communist.

Violence

During the 1920s to 1940s, adherents of both Nazism and Italian Fascism employing disruptive protest tactics and violence to shut down opposition, using the same sorts of tactics employed by ANTIFA, for example. These tactics are separate from the politico-economic philosophies, and we see them in any movement of authoritarians against critics, especially when on the rise. The Communists used these tactics during the revolutions in both Russia and China, as do Muslim groups like DAESH (ISIS) when trying to change secular governments to Islamist theocracies as has happened in Iraq and Syria.

Racism

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Nazism is specifically to do with Germanic sort of things if I'm not mistaken, while fascism is just about dictatorship, and govt control of business and labor.

Being Germanic is irrelevant to the Natonal Socialist philosophy, as is being racist, although both were popular additions to the political philosophy in 1020's Germany. There is no reason Nazism could not become popular in Africa, Asia or Latin America. All you need is a strong national identity and enough people who are socialist.

Despite how Nazism was implemented in Germany, there is nothing intrinsically contradictory to Jews being National Socialists. Hitler just used the Jews, Gypsies, etc. as scapegoats and internal enemies to help unify the Germans under the Nazi banner.

For example, Israel, precisely because it is already based in hereditary and cultural nationalistic principles, could very easily move away from republican and capitalist principles to institute a level of authoritarian socialism as a way to address the economic issues and conflicts with the native Palestinians, and thereby become literally National Socialists--Nazis.

I am not saying this is likely, only that it is not contradictory to the politico-economic philosophy.

Side: Yes
1 point

Thank you for the clarification Marcusmoon..........................................

Side: No
2 points

Compare Mussolini's Fascist Italy to Hitler's Nazi Germany. There are definitely similarities, but there are also differences.

Side: No

Nazism is Nazism. If it isn't killing Jews in furnaces, indoctrinating the children, spreading propaganda through state sponsored tv, trying to take over continents by military force, endorsing Norse mythology, and being led by a man on a cocktail of 80 hardcore drugs injected into his veins, it's not Nazism. It's an insult to anyone who faced actual real Nazism. Not being able to get a cab or someone loving their country isn't Nazism. Nazism is Nazism.

Side: No

Fascists aren't as extreme as Nazis, sure, but Nazism is just slang for fascism.

Side: No
1 point

Nazism might could broadly be defined as extremist fascism. Most fascist regimes don't try to conquer continents or burn people in furnaces. They simply oppress minority groups in their own country.

Side: Yes
1 point

Would you say American and European white people are "fascist Nazis"?

Side: Yes
1 point

You can be a Fascist without being a Nazi. I see Millennials today who wan to suppress Free Speech as Fascist but I don't see them as Nazis.

Side: No
marcusmoon(586) Clarified
1 point

The millennials you mean (ANTIFA, etc.) may use the same tactics Mussolini's Fascisti used, so they are fascistic. However, unless they want to institute a very particular politico-economic policy, they are not actually fascists.

They are just assholes.

Side: Yes