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Debate Score:37
Arguments:24
Total Votes:41
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Is God a little harsh?

sorry about the flood of religious debates people. the next one will be different, I promise.

is God ever a little mean? Like when he "hardened the pharoh's heart, what was that man! or when he wipes out civilizations or stuff. whats your take on it?

Yeah

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Nah

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3 points

Yea, he probably is. I mean, what about innocent people being killed from everyone's recklessness? (Drunk driving, bad driving in general, playing with guns, etc). I'm only 60 pages into my 900 page bible (the archaeological version), and ya God seems to be able to do whatever the heck he wants, but man, I think it's all too random to be acts of God. (Thus, I don't think God does shit, that is, if you believe he exists because I don't). But he sure isn't playing any sweetly. If I did believe in God, I think I'd want to punch him in the face because he's an asshole. :-)

Side: Yeah
MKIced(2510) Disputed
1 point

Well I think punching him wouldn't be possible. :) But the reason evil persists in the world is to contrast the good in the world. We only know good exists because evil does. This is duality, like the reason we understand light because of darkness. I've always believed God allows evil acts for that reason and because he is able to bring good out of it. Tragedies bring people together, help them realize religion, and teach us all lessons in being human. There are some acts that I don't understand how any good can occur, but if you look deep enough, I'm sure you'll be able to find the good.

Side: Nah
3 points

Yea, that makes sense. I'm not totally blinded by seeing the other side of the spectrum. I am one of those people that chooses to see the good out of anything. Or at least, to take what I can learn from a sad or bad situation. But still. Doesn't mean it's a God causing it all. Does all the badness REALLY have to occur to see some light? It's still pretty brutal. Could be just nature though.

Side: Nah
Argento(512) Disputed
2 points

I like your positive thinking, and I came up with this parallel.

Your father buys you a stereo system. Then one night, while you are asleep, a thief walks in and tries to steal it. Your father hears the commotion and sees the thief. He can stop him. But he doesn't. So he lets him take your stereo. You wake up and you are broken hearted. You don't know that your father could have stopped it, so you start cursing the thief. At that point your father offers you his support. He hugs you and tries to comfort you. The two of you are now closer together. Then your friends and neighbors put some money together and buy you another stereo. You now are closer to them as well. You are happy again.

The outcome was good, you have your stereo, you have more friends and you are closer to your father.

In a similar way, god allowed the tsunami, but that's OK because it brought the world together and reminded everyone of what matters most.

Somehow though, part of me thinks that tactic is a little sick :o)

Side: Yeah
3 points

If God does exist, he's kind of an asshole. Killing all the firstborn sons of the Egyptians? Sticking you in eternal hellfire if you don't manage to repent before you die? Some of this stuff is pretty damn mean.

Side: Yeah
1 point

you are given the opportunity to repent your entire life. i'd say that's enough time to repent. the killing of the firstborns, though seen as mean in our eyes had a reason behind it.

Side: Nah
2 points

You just endorsed infanticide in the name of religion. Congrats.

Think for just 2 seconds about what you just said and how utterly immoral it was. If you need help, I'll explain to you why killing innocent children is wrong even if a fictional god does it.

Side: Yeah
2 points

I think God has been many things in many books. The differences sometimes beggar belief. The God of the Old Testament, the God that asks a man to kill his son in order to prove his faith and then tells him not to at the last second, is nowhere near the God that Jesus revealed.

In my opinion, God is just like a fictional character, written and adapted by many people in many books, to suit many purposes and many personal agendas.

If he sounds harsh then the man that adapted him was harsh and wanted to express his hatred. If he sounds forgiving, then so was the man that wrote him.

I voted yes because overall as a fictional character every time he makes an appearance, every time you read about God's actions in the Bible (specially the Old Testament), he comes across as a very calculative, void of mercy, manipulative or vengeful man, most of the time taking sides with someone while using others merely as pawns in one man's path.

On the other side however, the God that Jesus revealed is a lot wiser and more forgiving, making him/her a lot easier to accept.

Side: Yeah

God has created, through His Son, Jesus Christ, and faithful servant, Moses, the rules by which He wished us to live. No, God is not harsh, but people are.

Side: Nah

I think that he does not have to play by the rules which he gave man. He said that man can't kill, not God. and besides that, tules are limitations, and God has unlimited power.

Side: Nah
lawnman(1106) Disputed
2 points

God is just!

Killing a murderer is just. Thou shalt not kill is a commandment. They who violate that commandment are to be killed. Meaning, God commanded the sons of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to kill murderers. Killing and murder are two distinct matters. All murder is killing, but not all killing is murder.

Read Exodus Ch. 21

Side: Nah

The God in the old testament, Yeah, kinda.

The God in the new testament, Nah.

Side: Nah
0 points

Read the new testament more carefully. You might be surprised.

Side: Yeah

Can't you just give me the Cliff notes? I don't have a bible at hand at the moment ;)

Side: Yeah
MKIced(2510) Disputed
1 point

If you're talking about Revelations, that's a different story. That's the story of the end of the world, which doesn't have to be pretty. And we brought it upon ourselves, meaning the human race, when we sinned.

Side: Nah
1 point

can you please be more specific, like is it towards the begining, middle, or end?

Side: Nah
1 point

He is a very just God. The best part is that he can bring something good out of any evil that is done. Sometimes, though, this is really hard to see, like when he ordered Abraham to kill Isaac and then told him not to. I don't see the good in that.

Side: Nah
1 point

of course not! god gave you life? is that harsh? UHHH.... no!

Side: Nah
Nichole(689) Disputed
1 point

It could be harsh. We didn't choose to come here. Our parents decided we should be here. It's pretty selfish. And all along, we can't even rightfully leave if we dang want to (suicide). So ya know, I'm starting to see that we were brought here against our (non-developed) wills and we're stuck staying here (from the power of the people) until we die in a more natural or accidental way. Hmph.

Side: Yeah

No i dont think God is harsh, see some things may seem harsh to us but when we view it in Gods perspective we start to understand the purpose behind those things

Side: Nah
1 point

i know this is old as but when you really think about it and how Christians believe he died for our sins and all, is he really being harsh by letting us go thru a crap stage? Because theres always a good outcome weather it be you don't have to put up with a dickhead anymore or you understand things from a different point of view

Side: Nah