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Is God real?

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1 point

I believe so... It just seems to unlikely for all of this to have happened without any forethought... I mean really, our universe is so complex and utterly amazing that not having a supreme being is like a carved statue just popping out of the ground.

LittleMisfit(1749) Clarified
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I agree that the universe is pretty amazing and it's hard to fathom how such complex things could arise without a creator but if you delve deep into the core of all these complex things you find they are really just a bunch of very simple things reacting to the laws of physics.

The problem with saying something looks complex, therefore it must have a designer is that it's a self-defeating argument. Think about it this way, which of these two things do you think would be more complex, a common house fly or a highly intelligent and powerful supreme being capable of creating a fly? I would think the supreme being would be far more complex. So if a fly is too complex to exist without a creator, then an intelligent and powerful supreme being is even less likely to exist without a creator. Since something had to exist without a creator my bet would be on the less complex thing.

AliKh(46) Disputed
1 point

You are missing one main point.

Even though exponentially, you are comparing creation of a fly or the world which is "physical" to God who is outside the boundaries of physics. How can the creator of physics be bound with in it?

So the argument is that you can not compare within the same scale of complexity because your scale is bound by physics.

If there is a God why does he keep himself a secret? Why does he leave no evidence for himself.

The mind is the only creator not a supernatural eternal being.

lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

He came to earth in the form of Jesus of Nazareth. We keep trying to tell people that He is God but no one wants to believe us.

LittleMisfit(1749) Clarified
3 points

There's a reason we don't believe you. I think this sums it up quite well

GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
2 points

Did you witness that?

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If there is a God why does he keep himself a secret?

Is a deity not allowed to? What if the deity only reveals himself to it's faithful servants?

Why does he leave no evidence for himself.

I would imagine the universe would be the "evidence".

The mind is the only creator not a supernatural eternal being.

How do you know? If I may ask.

AliKh(46) Disputed
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You can not see God because you are blind. God has left numerous evidence that you have to dig up and search for, but he has been so generous in providing humanity with the holy books such as Torah, Bible, and Quran to bring us closer.

You can not see God if you possess a dark heart. You have to open your heart, reflect, and introspect.

trumpet_guy(502) Disputed
1 point

Their is no definite emperical evidence of God, otherwise their would be no reason for faith. However faith is assured through different inferences we can make.

1) His Word (Ex. 3:14, Hebrew 1:1, Luke 24:27)

2) His Son, Jesus Christ, in conjunction with prophecies (John 1:1 & 14, John 14:8-9, Collosians 2:9, Hebrew 1:1-3)

3) Through creation in conjunction wih his word (Psalms 19:1-2, Romans 1:20)

4) The witness of the believers in conjunction with his word (Acts 1:8, Acts 2:1-4, 1 John 1:1-4)

All of these are not concrete physical evidences, but they are evidences nevertheless that God has laid us to reveal Himself. You cannot say that God doesn't have evidence, you have just reached a different conclusion, or overlooked or dismissed one of the above evidences.

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No! It is another supernatural force in the historical annals of mankind.

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Wouldn't we have any proof if he was real?

Real, actual proof?

I think we would.

But we don't.

So God is not real.

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Imam Ali (p) about 1400 years ago:

"Praise is due to Allah whose worth cannot be described by speakers, whose bounties cannot be counted by calculators and whose claim (to obedience) cannot be satisfied by those who attempt to do so, whom the height of intellectual courage cannot appreciate, and the divings of understanding cannot reach; He for whose description no limit has been laid down, no eulogy exists, no time is ordained and no duration is fixed. He brought forth creation through His Omnipotence, dispersed winds through His Compassion, and made firm the shaking earth with rocks."

Supporting Evidence: The book of Ali (p) (www.al-islam.org)
Gloria(135) Disputed
1 point

Proof for that please?

I see none.

It's not proof that he exists.

It's just another claim to be proven.

AliKh(46) Clarified
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About 1400 years ago, the big bang was explained in the Holy Quran:

In the name of Allah, the benificent, and merciful

"Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were a closed-up mass (ratqan), then We clove them asunder (fataqna)? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"

poij(6) Disputed
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What proof do you have that The book of Ali is the true word of God?

AliKh(46) Clarified
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This is from the Quran, not Nahjul balalgha.

The Quran is the word of God.

Nahjul balagha (Peak of Eloquence) is a collection of the sayings of Imam Ali, the successor of the prophet.

No human knows even in the slightest bit. All they do know, is that we came into existence somehow.

For there is no factual basis whatsoever that entails that a God created this. We could have just as well have been created by highly intelligent creatures whom worked on this project and then brought it to life (Or multiple Gods, multidimensional beings etc.).

On another point...how did we just happen to end up with everything we could possibly need to survive and more?

This is all clearly a very intelligent design.

Unless someone can explain how something random, such as two subatomic particles coming from nothing(seriously?), then causing creation through crushing and collision(I don't know the exact process), which then somehow we end up with a finely tuned living environment, with a sun, which is basically the life source for just about everything along with light so that we don't walk around and stub our toes, a moon to control the tides and all the things we need to stay healthy and be happy creatures. This random occurrence even created pictures with the stars(The fuck?). How can something so random(The Big Bang) create order and star pictures?

I think the rational conclusion would be that we were definitely created, but by what? A question which it's answer can only be speculated upon, it appears..

"Is God real?"

I'm not sure. :/

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he's real to people who believe he is. to people who don't, you can't really change their perspective. unless they want it to change.

Gloria(135) Disputed
1 point

That's like saying people who believe they have a cookie, really have a cookie. People who don't, you can't really change their perspective unless they want it to change.

Implying that they'd have a cookie once they believed they do, just because they believe.

But of course, believing you have a cookie won't make the cookie real and existent, just like believing you don't have a cookie won't make it go away.

mitgag(1652) Disputed
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That's like saying people who believe they have a cookie, really have a cookie. People who don't, you can't really change their perspective unless they want it to change.

that is obviously not what i meant to say. but since you don't get it, what i meant to put across was, you cannot change a person's belief. you can't impose on them what you believe is true.

But of course, believing you have a cookie won't make the cookie real and existent, just like believing you don't have a cookie won't make it go away.

that is very weirdly put. but i would just say, it is not about having something. its usually an assumption. which can be true or false.

if i assume fantastic creatures are real, it is my assumption. there isn't much you can do to make me believe otherwise.

similarly, if you don't believe god is real, i can't make you believe god is real. and if you believe He is real, i can't make you think otherwise. unless you change your opinion obviously.