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Is God real?

Yes

Side Score: 4
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No

Side Score: 6
1 point

My answer is 'Yes'.

But generally the answer will be depend on what kind of God you are believe in. For a normal person who have adequate knowledge in his/her religion will have faith in God, from their personal experience. For a person have enough knowledge in philosophy, theology and rationality, they have faith in God in better clarity and knowledge level. For organized atheists and a few unorganized atheists, they have a good reason to not believe in God, but they would have some kind of beliefs in super natural beings and other super natural things in the world.

Then we go to the case of extremists or religious-terrorists (both atheists and theists), things are quite complex here. Actually atheist extremists (most of the atheists) and theist extremists are two sides of same coin.

To come to that point let's think about the definition of 'religion'. It is a socio-cultural system, 'an opinion' of a community or an individual about the world and almost everything, organized or unorganized.

Religion is the comprehensive world view of a person or a society. As we humans have ability to think, ie, rationality, every humans has a worldview their own (depend or independent) also known as the opinion. 'Religion' is just an English word to denote this 'comprehensive world view'. We can call it with several other names like philosophy, ideology, school of thought, way of life etc... So atheism is kind of personal or organized world view.

A religion does not require faith in a creator God or super natural things. We have some kind of hedonist - egoist - materialist - atheist religions from ancient times as well as in modern time. Charvaka, Epicureanism, Raelism, Scientism etc are examples of such kind of 'organized atheist religions'. But almost all of the unorganized atheists and some of the organized atheist groups are religious extremists just like their theist counterpart.

Here are some similarities:

1, They both have inadequate knowledge in popular religions and their theologies, also in philosophies.

2, They both became such like that because of their illogical thoughts on God and heaven.

3, They both abuse other religions and often make provocative arguments without any decency or respect.

4, They have an extreme kind of superiority complex.

5, They want to gather people in their religion, they think they are doing a good thing and rescuing a person from ignorance and irrational thoughts.

Only difference is a theist extremist believe in God and an atheist extremist doesn't believe in it!. So we cannot give attentions to the arguments of both people in a discussion about the God.

Well, for the topic let's take a rational approach. First lesson of logical think is, 'there is many things exist above the ability of humans or human-rationality'. Humans are not able to think or explain about these things. For example, some scientists (first person was a Jesuit priest, Georges Lemaitre) say Big bang started with a great explosion of an atom with unimaginable infinite energy with almost no size. 'Time' started with the incident, and it took 300,000 years to form 'space' and materials. So what was before bigbang incident? Let's take another question about the transparency of the glass objects. Even we have so many explanations, the truth is still mystery. Another examples are characteristics of light, zero and negative numbers (purpose of numbers are to count), complete vacuum etc don't have clear explanations!.

Even though, we can take this 'limited'(limited to time and space) human rationality with common observances.

-First thing, everything we see around the world has an initial point and a finishing point. So if there is a God or an abiotic point of origin (state of perfection) it is the source of everything.

-Let's take second observation, a living thing can produce both non-living materials and living materials. But a non-living thing can only produce a non-living thing. So 'the point of origin' ie, the ultimate reason of everything must have life in it to produce both the living and non-living things in the universe.

So this ultimate reason is called 'The God'. Whatever it is behind the formation of universe whether it big bang or anything, that point of origin has life in it (perfect state of life and everything) and we call it the God.

For Christians this ultimate reason is called as Messiah, Khristos (Christ) and Logos (John 1st Chapter). For Greeks, it is Logos. For Hindu philosophies it is Purusha, Brahman or Prajapati. For Vaishnavites it is Vishnu, For Shivists it is Shiva, For Buddhists it is Buddhahood, For Jains it is Jina, For Zoroastrians it is Atar (fire) etc.

So in short, Yes God exists!

Side: Yes
2 points

If God were real and I happened to meet him the first thing I'd do is kick him solidly in the balls and then punch that asshole in the face as many times as I could before his goon squad pulled me off of him.

Anybody who worships a deity that allows wars and famine, babies with cancer, deformities, Donald Trump and all the other horrible things in this world has to be sick in the head.

Side: No

Is God real?

Very unlikely, but it might be complicated because we don't understand the extent to which life changes the universe around it.

Side: No
Lilymarie(43) Disputed
1 point

Why do you say that it's very unlikely that God exists?? I mean How do you explain practically everything?

Side: Yes
AThAPhys(94) Disputed
1 point

You are using the argument from ignorance: "We don't yet understand how everything in the world came to be, so a bearded omnipotent deity must have done it."

We don't have to explain practically everything yet. I use science to make sense of the world, and it doesn't matter that science doesn't know everything, because what science does know is true and holds up to the test of investigation.

Side: No