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Is Halting Immigration Illegal?

Simple question. Do you believe that stopping immigration for a time illegal or morally wrong?

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Is it illegal? No. In fact Trump has already responded in quoting the federal law granting him the power to do just that. There is nothing illegal, nor unprecedented about temporarily shutting down immigration for the purposes of national security.

is it morally wrong? This is highly subjective, but a moratorium on immigration from specific nations listed by the state department as either sponsors or safe havens to terrorists is not morally wrong. If this was a ban on all Muslims I could possibly agree, but Muslims from any other country were still permitted to enter.

Side: No
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Trumps ban is perfectly legal. From the LA Times:

“The exclusion of aliens is a fundamental act of sovereignty … inherent in the executive power,” the Supreme Court said in 1950. And lest there be doubt, Congress adopted a provision in 1952 saying the president “may by proclamation and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens and any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants” whenever he thinks it “would be detrimental to the interests of the United States.”

There's nothing particularly immoral about a sovereign nation determining who can come in. A country doesn't owe it's geographic space to anyone.

However, immoral implementation of an otherwise moral Executive Order is possible. Just as you would not wait until someone is knocking on your door to tell them that they are now uninvited, you shouldn't shut people out who are mid-flight. Sufficient advance warning is a simple enough way to allow people time to make other arrangements, or to not waste their time.

Side: No
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And indeed there are times and places and situations to oppose immigration.

That doesn't change the fact that Trump is a d!ck messing with the lives of many innocent people and jeopardizing the US in other ways.

But hey, if you want to hate immigration, go ahead.

And by definition that makes you at least xenophobic (and potentially racist depending on your position), so don't get out of whack when people tell you that you are.

Side: No
outlaw60(15375) Disputed
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Immigration was suspended in the early 1920's. From 1924 to 1965 America didn’t have any immigration. Did you miss that policy somewhere down the line of misinformation that you consume from Left Wing Media ?

Side: Yes
Grenache(6058) Disputed
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“Immigration was suspended in the early 1920's. From 1924 to 1965 America didn’t have any immigration.”

Wrong. They still had immigration but there were quotas set on different countries. It was historically considered discriminatory because they set up the quotas to favor primarily pure whites.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1398.html

It was replaced in 1965 with a system based on the merits of the individual applicant.

http://americanhistory.si.edu/blog/immigration-and-hart-celler-act-50-years-later

“Did you miss that policy somewhere down the line of misinformation that you consume from Left Wing Media?”

No. But your bold claim that “America didn’t have any immigration” was easily disproven by the most basic of searches and reveals that you probably got your information from a right wing propaganda site.

Side: No
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This page is not about morals its about legal action and that is within the Presidents power. Look up 8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens (f): Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/ 8/1182

Side: No