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Yes, it is. No, it isn't.
Debate Score:37
Arguments:37
Total Votes:41
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Is ISIS Islam?

Do you think that ISIS is truly a portrayal of Islam? Before you speak, please do some research on your words. And if you post percentages, please site. 

I stand by the fact that they do not portray Islam, for Islam is initially a religion of peace and tolerance. If you do not believe me, we can discuss it privately, or you can search for the truth on your own.

Please, no cussing or offending others. 

Yes, it is.

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No, it isn't.

Side Score: 18
2 points

It is an inaccurate and even dangerous convenience to simply expel religious extremism from our understanding of what constitutes any religious faith. ISIS represents on iteration of Islam among many, regardless of what proportion of Muslims comprise its ranks or the origins of the religion at large.

Side: Yes, it is.
LeRocky(28) Disputed
1 point

But the question of the debate is whether or not ISIS is Islam.

Meaning, is this what Islam is about? A religion of killing those who do not follow it?

Side: No, it isn't.
Jace(5222) Disputed
1 point

Double post.

Side: Yes, it is.
Jace(5222) Disputed
1 point

A question I answered with an analysis you have not actually refuted.

Side: Yes, it is.
1 point

I feel that there must be something inherently wrong in the Islamic faith as it so very clearly spawns so many vile murdering low lives. Many who represent Islam, such as the Muslim Clergy, preach hate and incite violence against the citizens of the various nations who welcomed them to their country and ensured that they were given the same rights and privileges as the indigenous populations. Australia is now going to impose, long overdue, restrictions on their intake of Islamist's and will re-patriotate any dual citizen Muslim who is in any way connected with Islamic terrorism. Even a short sighted dim wit on a galloping horse could see from a mile off that it cannot be just by coincidence that it's Muslims who cause death and destruction in every country they infest. From Australia to Canada, from the U.S.A, to the U.K. From Sweden to France, and of course many more. Failure to recognise the glaring fact that there is something terribly wrong with the scriptures of the religion which came ''unashamedly with sword in hand'', would take a special kind of idiot. Then some parents of the Muslim community who failed miserably in their parental duty and care are blaming the authorities for not keeping a more watchful eye over their wayward off-spring. You really couldn't make it up. I agree that not all Muslims are international terrorists, but almost all international terrorists are Muslims. Why do you think that is?

Side: Yes, it is.
1 point

The Quran:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

I could go on and on.

Yes, ISIS/ISIL/Hezbollah/Hamaz/Al-Nusra/Al-Qaeda and all of the other factions that comprise the global Islamist movement are indeed devout Muslims who are following the clear and unequivocal example of the prophet as dictated to him by god.

Side: Yes, it is.
0 points

It is called "Islamic State", its leader has Ph.D in Islamic Studies, their flag is flag of Islam. Islam is the only allowed religion. They support their actions by citations from Quran. They all belive that they are good Muslim ... so no, it is clearly bunch of Buddhists ...

Side: Yes, it is.
AliKh(46) Disputed
1 point

Just because they claim to be Muslims does not mean that they represent Islam.

Islam means peace, and ISIS represents nothing but hatred, terror and intolerance.

Side: No, it isn't.
Orsutin(22) Disputed
1 point

Islam does not mean peace, it means Submission.

EVIDENCE;

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/TheMeaningofIslam

people often make apologies or defenses of the "Religion of peace" whilst well-meaning are often ill-informed and are actively delaying the freedom and peace that Islamic moderates and free-thinkers are crying out for who live under these brutal regimes.

I don't care if it's politically incorrect to say so, it is a matter of global urgency that a spade be called a spade and this evil recognised for what it is and opposed as stridently and comprehensively as it can be. Before they get their hands on a 10,100 or 1000 Kiloton bomb.

Though if you are Muslim yourself, is your attempt to persuade non Muslims of Islams "Peaceful" intentions by manipulating their ignorance of your religion and a manifestation of your belief in Taqiya?

Taqiya - Deception & Concealment - For those non-muslims who want to get a clue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

"Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it. We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream...Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era." - Raymond Ibrahim

Side: Yes, it is.
0 points

ISIS means the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. ISIS claims to be Islamic, and I believe they truly portray the ideals of Islam. In the early days of Islam, if the prophet Muhammad was treated with nothing but respect, that was a crime punishable by death. The way Islam was spread in the early days was by war and fear. A group of people Muhammad conquered would be forced to be a Muslim or die by the sword. That is what Islam is about.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

There are more than 100 of these.

Islam is not a religion of peace. ISIS is not peaceful. They are Islamic.

Side: Yes, it is.
AliKh(46) Disputed
1 point

The information provided is inaqurate.

In Islam, starting war is forbidden unless the enemy attacks first.

The way Islam spread was not war and fear. Instead, the way muslims survived was tactical defensive stratagies.

The first 2 verses mentioned showed how God will punish those who reject faith, not how muslims should punish them.

As For the other 2 verses, they are dedicated to those who cause terror in others and seek corruption (Like ISIS)

And when you read what follows verse 5:33 that you mentioned, you will know how merciful Islam is:

Verse 5:34:

Except for those who return [repenting] before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Side: No, it isn't.
1 point

So how do you think the invasion of the Iberian Peninsula by the Umayad Dynasty and the establishing of the Caliphate of Cordoba was deyfensive, out of curiosity?

Side: Yes, it is.
2 points

The Qur'an contains 37 verses that speak about exemplary punishments for disturbing the peace, for robbery, murder, bodily injury, theft, adultery, rape and suspicion of adultery. Out of these verses and with reference to Muhammad's life (Sunna) the five schools of jurisprudence have developed a pre-medieval system of criminal law.

The Islamic lawyers have placed different values on crimes than is done in Europe. Pre-marital relations and adultery are considered to be more severe than murder or theft. Bodily injury and paying blood money are handled in more detail than murder or falling away from Islam. Whoever wants to travel in Islamic countries should get "oriented" beforehand and should know the Muslim perspective on law if he does not want to cause harm or experience it himself.

Islam does not understand itself to be a religion of grace, love and selflessness, but rather is based on the law of the Shari'a. Islam does not want to sharpen one's conscience or to secure forgiveness of sins, but rather wants to enforce a law that is based on retribution.

Islam can reach its full force only when it is both religion and state at the same time. Islamic law requires an authoritative body that can enforce the law. Islam in its full form must be a state religion or a religious state. The Qur'an inspires Islamic fundamentalists to claim that praying, fasting, donating, pilgrimages and fighting for Allah is not the whole Islam. This will only be realized when Islamic verdicts and sentences are executed strictly.

Islam is based on the fear of God and punishments. Some Muslims call the law of retribution (qisas) the actual Shari'a or its main element. The Qur'an states: The punishment (qisas) is your life! (Sura al-Baqara 2:129)

Islamic schools of law have divided the various punishments into three categories:

I. Severe Punishments (hudud)

The severe punishments are listed in detail in the Qur'an as Allah's revelation and are considered to be an unavoidable duty. These punish attacks on Islam as well as pre-marital sex, adultery, rape, slander and theft.

II. Punishments of Retribution (qisas)

The punishments of retribution are applied to murder, homicide, accidents, as well as bodily injury. They allow either actual retribution for the crime or paying blood money as a substitute penalty.

III. Disciplinary Measures (ta'zir)

Disciplinary measures are not described in the Qur'an and were left to the discretion of judges in earlier times. Today Islamic countries fix set punishments for these crimes also. Such punishments are generally not discussed by the schools of jurisprudence.

IV. Special Cases

Falling away from Islam or drinking alcoholic drinks are placed in one of the above three categories by the various schools.

The Qur'an deals first and foremost with the severe punishments and the law of retribution. Pedantic lawyers, however, make it difficult to prove that an actual crime was committed and push arguments for leniency through, so that the severer punishments cannot be applied lightly. But the fundamentalists in Algeria, Indonesia, Afghanistan and Chechnia believe that they are bound to apply Allah's law without mercy.

Side: No, it isn't.
Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

This doesn't make sense. I thought you said that humans weren't allowed to punish other humans. Doesn't this mean otherwise?

Side: Yes, it is.
1 point

I believe that ISIS is not Islam, but humans who wrongly take it on themselves to attempt to "do God's work" on Earth.

Firstly, it is a sin in Islam to attempt to "play God" in any way, meaning only God takes and gives life. To take a life, one must be doing it in self defense, or if the subject agrees to have Muslim laws set upon them.

Not only that, but God has always stated in the Quran that peoples' reward or punishment is for him to give, and nobody else.

Therefore, the whole idea of ISIS is against the idea of Islam.

Side: No, it isn't.
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Doesn't the Quran say to kill all non Muslims? They are simply following that part.

Side: Yes, it is.
LeRocky(28) Disputed
1 point

The Quran never says to kill all non-Muslims.

This is a surah, or chapter, of the Quran:

"Say (to them), O you who reject faith, I worship not that which you worship, nor will you worship that which I worship, and I shall not worship that which you worship, nor will you worship that which I worship, to you your own religion, and to me my own religion."

This is a surah of religious tolerance. Nowhere here does it state that we who follow Islam should kill those who don't. On the contrary, it tells us to accept whatever religion the others follow. I'm surprised that even with all the repetition in this surah, Muslims mess it up.

Side: No, it isn't.
ZaidTheBoss(94) Disputed
1 point

that is truly false the lord can punish not the humans so thats false you must have misread it cartman(7136)

Side: No, it isn't.
AliKh(46) Disputed
1 point

"There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût and believes in God (Allah), then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And God is All-Hearer, All-Knower."

BAQARA 256

Side: No, it isn't.
Jace(5222) Disputed
1 point

According to your interpretation of the Qur'an and Islam. The problem, of course, is that you cannot prove your version any more legitimate than that of ISIS because religion is fundamentally subjective.

Side: Yes, it is.
Noxter(92) Clarified
1 point

ISIS is not indifferent from what Mohamed did. From "modern" point of view he was a sadistic mass murderer that killed or enslaved everyone he could. They do exactly he same.

Side: Yes, it is.
1 point

im too sorry but as a muslim im sorry on behalf and i promise you all that if they have sinned they will be punished

Side: No, it isn't.
1 point

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Side: No, it isn't.
1 point

Islam is an excuse for war for ISIS leaders. If ISIS is muslim, why are so much muslims despising it and saying Islam is peaceful?

Side: No, it isn't.
1 point

nope, they say they are...yet they do the total opposite of it...

Side: No, it isn't.
1 point

Not Even Related.

Islam means PEACE.

Killing in Islam can only be used in self defence or defending one's nation.

ISIS is a group of brainwashed psychos that are managed by different groups inorder to control the Middle East.

Side: No, it isn't.
1 point

This is a popular verse in the Quran:

"There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût and believes in God (Allah), then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And God is All-Hearer, All-Knower."

BAQARA 256

com·pul·sion

kəmˈpəlSHən/

noun

the action or state of forcing or being forced to do something; constraint.

"the payment was made under compulsion"

Need I say more than what God had said?

Side: No, it isn't.
1 point

As the name suggests, the IS militants are Islamic. But that doesn't simply mean that people of other religions aren't present in their rebel group. Moreover, if they respect their religion so much that it has an influence in their name of the group, then why are they killing people, for Quran has only propagated peace and is against killing !?

Side: No, it isn't.