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Thank you for indulging my idle curiosity. I do not necessarily agree with Islam being the most overt or least intelligent, but I am not especially passionate about debating which religion is worse at the point where we agree they are all bad.
I could go on. That said- Islam has the appearance, in modern times, of having a larger and more active violent/extremist component- but remember that this is taken from a view where Christianity has a lot of influence in the world. Avoiding the obvious political joke, Christianity has had less need for violence has they've historically had a sizable enough population in the 'big' countries to simply legislate their agenda. As this is changing, I would not be surprised to see a resurgence of terrorism and violence carried out in the name of Christianity.
The Old Testament/Torah, which is (mostly) a part of the bible, certainly does though.
The relevance and interpretation of the Old Testament/Torah is one of the key differences between some denominations of Christianity.
I'll grant that the sections that can be interpreted as advocating violence are fewer and more ambiguous (generally speaking) than those in the Quran, but they're still there.
Shoot, I was focusing more on how those events were handled, and it isn't described to do it that way in the Bible. But, yes, the Old Testament does have it. Oops.
The Old Testament/Torah, which is (mostly) a part of the bible, certainly does though.
The relevance and interpretation of the Old Testament/Torah is one of the key differences between some denominations of Christianity
Christianity is mostly revolves around the New Testament and Jesus. Those specific things in the Old Testament was to show how God did things and the laws that were carried out were for the Jewish people and for the Israelites (God's people) not for Christians..So really Christians don't really have to obey those laws and aren't apart of Christianity because we are under a new covenant and now we just have to believe in Jesus Christ and follow His ways in order to get to Heaven.
The entirety of my response to this statement is already encompassed by a line that you yourself quoted:
The relevance and interpretation of the Old Testament/Torah is one of the key differences between some denominations of Christianity.
If I had to extend it further, I would say that your stance on the relevance and role of the old testament is shaped by the denomination of Christianity that you subscribe to yourself; such is not the case for all denominations.
Those people claimed to be Christians. What is a Christian? A Christian is someone who believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. A true Christian would never kill or do those things in the name of Christ. Jesus said that we will know who is Christian and not by the fruit they produce. If it's good or bad fruit. Those people who did those things above aren't true Christians and our in hell for doing those acts.
It's not my definition of a Christian. I'm only restating what someone else said. So it's not my definition if I restated it.
I am just confused at what the point of the definition of Christian was meant to do.
A Christian is a follower of Christ. Someone who loves on other people, who treats others the way they want to be treated, someone who is humble, and is a work in progress with God.
Of course it isn't your definition, you love being wrong.
Your the one that said go ahead and define what a Christian is. That's why I said "It's not my definition."
Except according to you apparently.
No, I believe that a Christian is a follower of Christ. Who said I didn't think that?
I would love for more Christians to be like that. Still doesn't explain why you restated someone elses definition. That's all.
Again, because you said and I quote "You go ahead and define what a Christian is.". That why I restated someone else's definition because I thought you said that was "my definition" when really it isn't.
I'm one of those Christians that actually do that.
Your the one that said go ahead and define what a Christian is. That's why I said "It's not my definition."
I was not asking you to do anything. I was pointing out that in your post that you wrote independent of me that you wrote down an idea of what a Christian is.
No, I believe that a Christian is a follower of Christ. Who said I didn't think that?
We disagree on how strict "following" means.
Again, because you said and I quote "You go ahead and define what a Christian is.". That why I restated someone else's definition because I thought you said that was "my definition" when really it isn't.
I said it afterwards. You are funny.
I'm one of those Christians that actually do that.
I actually think you are pretty close, so ok. But, we both agree that there are a whole bunch who aren't.
What we have here is the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy. Not that I can blame you, because I wouldn't want to be associated in any way with those who do such things, regardless of any overlap in beliefs.
You've said it yourself: "A Christian is someone who believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior." A non-Christian, then, is someone who does not believe in or accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. By extension, for someone to be a 'false' christian would involve professing that they believe in Jesus, while not actually believing, right?
I assert that it is entirely possible for an individual to believe that Jesus is their Lord and Savior, and then to go on and commit any number of atrocities. If they truly believed that what they were doing was for the greater good, and were further convinced that they had already received forgiveness for all sins (inherited, previously committed, even those not yet committed), it's even more plausible.
And who says the fruit is bad, really? For the Crusades- to this day, there are people who would be completely happy with Islam dieing out entirely and being displaced by Christianity. Arguments could be made in favor of the intent of the spanish inquisition and the salem witch trials, even if not specifically in how they were executed. Same deal with the bombings.
It should also be noted that the majority of the people involved in the crusades, inquisition, and witch trials were illiterate; their entire understanding of their religion came from the interpretations of others, with almost no ability to even attempt to understand things on their own. Many of those who were involved in the crusades, in particular, were not only true believers, but devout ones; the message itself was corrupted. Yet they still believed in Jesus as the messiah and son of god, and as their deliverer, lord and savior, even if the specifics of the teachings were twisted. By your own metric, the majority of the crusaders would in fact be considered true christians.
You've said it yourself: "A Christian is someone who believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior." A non-Christian, then, is someone who does not believe in or accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. By extension, for someone to be a 'false' christian would involve professing that they believe in Jesus, while not actually believing, right?
They would have to believe in Christ but they would have to follow what He said. You can't be a Christian and do whatever you want.
I assert that it is entirely possible for an individual to believe that Jesus is their Lord and Savior, and then to go on and commit any number of atrocities. If they truly believed that what they were doing was for the greater good, and were further convinced that they had already received forgiveness for all sins (inherited, previously committed, even those not yet committed), it's even more plausible.
People will receive forgiveness from God is when they stop doing the sin that they do. If the person continues what they are doing then they aren't forgiven until they stop totally.
And who says the fruit is bad, really? For the Crusades- to this day, there are people who would be completely happy with Islam dieing out entirely and being displaced by Christianity. Arguments could be made in favor of the intent of the spanish inquisition and the salem witch trials, even if not specifically in how they were executed. Same deal with the bombings.
Christ said about bad fruit basically referring to the people who said they were Christians but not really following what Jesus taught.
It should also be noted that the majority of the people involved in the crusades, inquisition, and witch trials were illiterate; their entire understanding of their religion came from the interpretations of others, with almost no ability to even attempt to understand things on their own. Many of those who were involved in the crusades, in particular, were not only true believers, but devout ones; the message itself was corrupted. Yet they still believed in Jesus as the messiah and son of god, and as their deliverer, lord and savior, even if the specifics of the teachings were twisted. By your own metric, the majority of the crusaders would in fact be considered true Christians.
The interpreter who was teaching them about God should have told them about how they shouldn't kill in the name of Christ and do other things but they didn't and what they did was wrong. Those interpreters who didn't teach them that will be judged by God and be punished. So still the crusaders were not be considered true Christians.
They would have to believe in Christ but they would have to follow what He said. You can't be a Christian and do whatever you want.
If this is the case, I assert that there has never been, nor will there ever be, a single 'true christian.'
People will receive forgiveness from God is when they stop doing the sin that they do. If the person continues what they are doing then they aren't forgiven until they stop totally.
Whats your basis for this belief? This is another point that different denominations disagree on.
Christ said about bad fruit basically referring to the people who said they were Christians but not really following what Jesus taught.
By that logic, there is no good fruit.
The interpreter who was teaching them about God should have told them about how they shouldn't kill in the name of Christ and do other things but they didn't and what they did was wrong. Those interpreters who didn't teach them that will be judged by God and be punished. So still the crusaders were not be considered true Christians.
You keep moving the goalpost for 'true christian.' If that's going to continue, I can't really see any point in continuing the debate. I should warn you, though, that given the dozens to hundreds of translations of the bible, and the tens of thousands of interpretations of each, there is a staggeringly low chance of the version you received being the actual intended version by God (should God even exist). As such, if the other points haven't already precluded the possibility, there is still a very strong case that neither you, your pastor, nor anyone else you know is a 'true christian.'
That would certainly lend credence to the whole '144,000' thing; if the bar is as high and difficult to see as you claim, it would stand to reason that only a small trickle of individuals throughout human history would actually meet that standard. Though again, what the '144,000' actually represents is again contested by different denominations...
If this is the case, I assert that there has never been, nor will there ever be, a single 'true christian.
There has been true followers of Christ.
Whats your basis for this belief? This is another point that different denominations disagree on.
The Bible because it says to repent and what does repenting mean? It's to turn away and do no more of whatever the sin is.
You keep moving the goalpost for 'true christian.' If that's going to continue, I can't really see any point in continuing the debate. I should warn you, though, that given the dozens to hundreds of translations of the bible, and the tens of thousands of interpretations of each, there is a staggeringly low chance of the version you received being the actual intended version by God (should God even exist). As such, if the other points haven't already precluded the possibility, there is still a very strong case that neither you, your pastor, nor anyone else you know is a 'true christian.'
I know there is different denominations of Christianity and I know that the version that I seek is the intended Christianity that all should follow. I know people who are "true Christians" and some that died as a true Christian.
The Bible because it says to repent and what does repenting mean? It's to turn away and do no more of whatever the sin is.
Not true. To repent is simply to feel remorse for ones action. In more narrow usage, it can also mean to feel such remorse over an action as to be disposed to change ones own life because of it- this does not mean that the repentant individual is capable of making such changes. More specifically- to repent of a sin, one must have first committed it. As such, repenting for one sin or another would not, even by the strictest definition, extend to precluding the individual from committing an entirely different one.
I know there is different denominations of Christianity and I know that the version that I seek is the intended Christianity that all should follow. I know people who are "true Christians" and some that died as a true Christian.
How do you know that the version you follow is the intended one that all should follow? I'm sure that you know people who fit your definition of 'true christian' but I've seen nothing to suggest that your definition of 'true christian' is correct. Same deal for the fallen; I'm sure people have died who fit your definition, but who's to say yours is right? I don't believe all, or even most of Jesus' disciples would meet the standard you're pushing.
No those people are as christian as you. Every time a Christian does something bad the rest of them label them as not being a "true" christian (whatever that means) when in reality they read the bible, follow jesud, and believe the word of Christ just like you. Please explain why 80% of the prison population identifies as christian. Are these millions of people who believe just as feverently as you do? Face it, Christianity can be interpreted (with ease) to be violent.
Please explain why 80% of the prison population identifies as christian.
Is this around the world through persecution or is it for crimes?
Face it, Christianity can be interpreted (with ease) to be violent.
No it's people who think Christianity is violent just by what other Christians have done in the past. When in reality it's not violent at all. We are peaceful, and loving people. It's just there are people out there that follow Christ but they are doing it the wrong way.
Those are the US statistics (and you can't claim persecution there, it's a democratic country with a Christian majority), and it was for their crimes.
Then for those people who are in jail and they say they are Christians. They should know better than to not commit the crime that they made. As Jesus even said that we will know who is a Christian or not by the fruit they produce.
and no. christianity straight from the bible can be used to justify violent actions. it commands the killing of gays, witches, apostates, anyone who works on sunday, and unbelievers, and it condones slavery and rape. and thats just off the top of my head. in fact the confederate states of america back in the times of the civil war used passages in the bible to justify and persuade the union forces that slavery is ok. Sure christians are good people, just as atheists, hindus, and muslims are generally good people. But it isnt because of christianity that theyre good people. Youre not good because youre christian youre good AND christian because i guarantee when you make any moral decision you dont immediately crack open a bible. i guarantee you think to yourself and use your own moral compass and past experience to judge what you should do.
All soldiers in Crusades where wearing crosses and who could afford it had a flag with a cross and men in front line were carrying huge cross... all of those people were Christian and before battle they have prayed and had motivational speech done by Bishop and commander telling them that who dies for Christ goes strait to the heaven... They could not have been any more Christian...
... And they successfully kept the muslim empires from growing larger, laying the foundations for modern free society... What do you dumbasses do with it? You import Islamic Fundamentalists who have very successfully curtailed freedom in Europe.
It may just be possible the Crusaders considered their actions a little more carefully than you.
Crusades. NINE of them.Spanish Inquisition.Salem Witch Trials.Abortion Clinic Bombings.
Where in the Christian doctrine are these permissable? I'm under the assumption that the bible is actually against these things.
I would not be surprised to see a resurgence of terrorism and violence carried out in the name of Christianity.
Those acts wouldn't be permissable. These are not upheld by the doctrine. Those acts are the inaccurate interpretations of the bible and the will of God.
Where in the Christian doctrine are these permissable? I'm under the assumption that the bible is actually against these things.
Old Testament, numerous entries. Different denominations of Christianity differ in their interpretation of the Old Testament, their opinion on how relevant (if at all) the Old Testament is to the faith, and the extent to which they believe Old Testament Law was 'recanted' by Jesus. Such is the problem of ambiguous scriptures with multiple differing translations and countless possible interpretations. For an easy example, scroll down a bit to Idiotobx' quote from Deuteronomy.
Those acts wouldn't be permissable. These are not upheld by the doctrine. Those acts are the inaccurate interpretations of the bible and the will of God.
So you say. What makes you so confident? Those with a different view on the scriptures would say your interpretation of the bible and God's will are the inaccurate ones. Do you have a scriptural basis for making these claims that is consistent across all translations of the bible and isn't ambiguous enough to allow for varied interpretations? I assert that you do not.
Old Testament, numerous entries. Different denominations of Christianity differ in their interpretation of the Old Testament, their opinion on how relevant (if at all) the Old Testament is to the faith, and the extent to which they believe Old Testament Law was 'recanted' by Jesus. Such is the problem of ambiguous scriptures with multiple differing translations and countless possible interpretations. For an easy example, scroll down a bit to Idiotobx' quote from Deuteronomy.
Are you not familiar with the rules that are to be followed in order to gain access to heaven? Are you not familiar with the new testament? The law given then was the laws of the land. This is dispensational theology. The laws of the old testament were given to a particular group of people. We are not that particular group of people. Thus we do not follow those set of rules. Also if you do say that these things are found within the old testament can you show me where the bible commands us to attacks clinics? To go on crusades?
So you say. What makes you so confident?Â
Simple. All translations of a prime verse lead to the same conclusion. This prime verse is Exodus 20:13 - "Thou shall not murder". This makes me fairly confident that those acts are not permissable.
Do you have a scriptural basis for making these claims that is consistent across all translations of the bible and isn't ambiguous enough to allow for varied interpretations? I assert that you do not.
Exodus 20:13.....its only four words. What disagreement comes about that verse? The only one that comes to mind is what counts as murder? How do we define murder? That's it. Take you assertion back home with you.
Are you not familiar with the rules that are to be followed in order to gain access to heaven? Are you not familiar with the new testament? The law given then was the laws of the land. This is dispensational theology. The laws of the old testament were given to a particular group of people. We are not that particular group of people. Thus we do not follow those set of rules. Also if you do say that these things are found within the old testament can you show me where the bible commands us to attacks clinics? To go on crusades?
Again. Different denominations of Christianity differ in their interpretation of the Old Testament, their opinion on how relevant (if at all) the Old Testament is to the faith, and the extent to which they believe Old Testament Law was 'recanted' by Jesus. Such is the problem of ambiguous scriptures with multiple differing translations and countless possible interpretations. For an easy example, scroll down a bit to Idiotobx' argument where he quotes Deuteronomy.
Simple. All translations of a prime verse lead to the same conclusion. This prime verse is Exodus 20:13 - "Thou shall not murder". This makes me fairly confident that those acts are not permissable.
The original Hebrew word transliterates as Ratsakh. It translates roughly to 'dash to pieces' but the meaning is roughly equivalent to murder. Certain types of killing were not considered Ratsakh. Among these are enemies killed by soldiers in wartime, and executions for violations of certain parts of Old Testament law. The wartime exclusion would apply to most of the activities involved in the Crusades. An admittedly twisted, thought not necessarily inconsistent interpretation of much of Deuteronomy could 'justify' much of the other killings.
Exodus 20:13.....its only four words. What disagreement comes about that verse? The only one that comes to mind is what counts as murder? How do we define murder? That's it. Take you assertion back home with you.
Again- the word is not in fact murder, but Ratsakh. 'Murder' is just a convenient, though inaccurate translation. It is distinct from whatever definition we apply to murder, and has important distinctions from modern uses that are not merely perspective. This is exactly what I'm talking about regarding the problem of different denominations each having their own interpretation of their preferred translation of the bible. The permutations of these are incalculable.
Are you going to site all this information you are bringing? The word still translates to murder and was probably used as murder. In that event my argument is still valid.
You're entire first paragraph stills strays from the questions I haved asked. Where are the commads to go on crucades or bomb abortion clinics?
There are no direct commands to 'go on crusades' or 'bomb abortion clinics.' There are, however, direct orders that certain crimes carry a penalty of death- even for outsiders. Obviously, this means that it crosses the boundaries of jurisdiction/sovereignty. Deuteronomy 13:6-9 (as quoted below by Idiotobx, which I've stated multiple times and you've ignored) is one such verse that, while not directly commanding the faithful to 'go on crusades,' can be easily interpreted as such without any stretching at all.
Similar commandments are issued towards those who engage in various sexual immoralities, murdering (especially children), etc. Read your own Bible. The passages of the Bible used to condemn homosexuals are incredibly close to those used to justify the crusades and many other things. Proving my point exactly; I'm certain your church recognizes the part of deuteronomy that decries homosexuality.
Proving your point? You have already failed to. There are no applicable commandments for us to follow besides the ten commandments and the others that do not specify who must follow them. That is why I ignored your verse (which you failed to realize at least 3 times in a row). Varying interpretations do not matter. My verse stands firm.
Again, you must not have encoded what I've been telling you. Your second paragraph demonstrates so. Those laws are for a specific group of people during a specific time period in a particular setting.
'm certain your church recognizes the part of deuteronomy that decries homosexuality.
I don't go to church. I don't care about gays. If they wish to have sex or get married then go ahead. I'm all for it.
Read your own Bible. The passages of the Bible used to condemn homosexuals are incredibly close to those used to justify the crusades and many other things.Â
Justifications don't equal the action committed. Justifications are not acts.
Proving your point? You have already failed to. There are no applicable commandments for us to follow besides the ten commandments and the others that do not specify who must follow them. That is why I ignored your verse (which you failed to realize at least 3 times in a row). Varying interpretations do not matter. My verse stands firm.
Again, you must not have encoded what I've been telling you. Your second paragraph demonstrates so. Those laws are for a specific group of people during a specific time period in a particular setting.
Different denominations of Christianity differ in their interpretation of the Old Testament, their opinion on how relevant (if at all) the Old Testament is to the faith, and the extent to which they believe Old Testament Law was 'recanted' by Jesus. Such is the problem of ambiguous scriptures with multiple differing translations and countless possible interpretations. For an easy example, scroll down a bit to Idiotobx' argument where he quotes Deuteronomy.
I didn't fail to prove my point- you've proved my point for me. This is YOUR interpretation. It is not applicable to any other denomination of Christianity. It was not YOUR specific church participating in the Crusades- it was several much earlier branches of Christianity. Varying interpretations DO in fact matter. Stating that your interpretation is the correct one is akin to saying that every other branch of christianity is wrong. Isn't Hubris one of the 7 deadly sins? It would seem you are in need of repentance.
Perhaps you misunderstood what my point was- my point was that these were actions of christian churches, and were justified, or even commanded, by particular interpretations of particular translations of particular verses. Your own reply has demonstrated several key areas where your particular faith differs from 'mainstream' christianity, as a result of selective interpretation of a selected translation.
Your verse does NOT stand firm, because it is an inaccurate translation that has been used to serve the agenda of your church. If you are going to assert that your interpretation of the inaccurate translation is what was actually intended by the verse- prove it.
I don't go to church. I don't care about gays. If they wish to have sex or get married then go ahead. I'm all for it.
This stance is not representative of Christianity at large. If your church is an exception to the rule, that does not speak to the validity of anything else I've said. If you don't believe Christianity in general to be anti-gay, then prove it.
Justifications don't equal the action committed. Justifications are not acts.
Tomato, tomato. What we might call 'justification' for an act, they might call 'commandment' to perform the act. If you don't believe that such an interpretation of the scriptures is possible, then prove it.
Again you failed to prove your point and continue to act like you didn't. That ia not my intretation that is the correct generalization for thw old testament. Don't keep giving me this subjective bullshit.
Isn't Hubris one of the 7 deadly sins? It would seem you are in need of repentance.
Too bad the seven deadly sins don't exist wise one. If so, I'm sure the bible would list you for incompetence.
Your verse does NOT stand firm, because it is an inaccurate translation that has been used to serve the agenda of your church. If you are going to assert that your interpretation of the inaccurate translation is what was actually intended by the verse- prove it.
Prove that 4 words are correct? Read it. Thats it. That requires Christians not to kill. Simple as that. The verse is fine. Also again I don't go to church.
This stance is not representative of Christianity at large.Â
I'm not a fucking Christian. Understand that. I have never claimed that I have a religion.
Tomato, tomato. What we might call 'justification' for an act, they might call 'commandment' to perform the act. If you don't believe that such an interpretation of the scriptures is possible, then prove it.
Why am I proving a negative? You're the one with the claim.
You are completely and utterly ignorant of the subject matter you are discussing. No further discussion on the matter would seem to be fruitful; none up to this point has been either, it would seem.
If what you are stating in your post is true, then not only are you ignorant of the subject matter in question, you are in no position whatsoever to be offering perspective on it. Plain and simple- you are wrong. Profoundly wrong, and you are unable, it would seem, to even see why you are wrong.
Such is evident to anyone else still following this exchange at this point. You can retort if you which, but the facts remain. You may have the 'last word' in this exchange- I will not be replying further. Feel free to accuse me of whatever you will at this point; you were never my target audience, and with that in mind I've been wasting both of our time.
There were more deaths yesterday at the hands of Boko Haram than have ever been committed by Christian domestic terrorists... How does bombing (closed) abortion clinics even make the list?
Please let me know just how many deaths it takes to qualify?
Jihad is holy war- a war between religious ideals, not nations. It does not require a battle line as such- its generally rare for such war to be conducted openly. War is not limited to killing the enemy, but also generally includes destruction of buildings and such as well. These were all cases of individuals putting their perception of gods law ahead of all human law and jurisdiction, and carrying out violence in the name of said god. Abortion clinics were not always closed, and there have in fact been deaths. Moreover, this is not limited to 'domestic terrorists [within the US].' We're speaking globally here, after all.
"6 “If your brother, your mother’s son, or your son or daughter, or the wife [a]you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods’ (whom neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end), 8 you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. 9 But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people."
Christian Reaction: Christians don't follow the old testament; the immoral Jews do.
Koran:
Qur'an 9:123
"O believers! Fight the unbelievers who hem you in, to let them know how strong you are; you should know that Allah is on the side of the Godfearing."
Muslim Reaction: Those parts don't apply anymore. Islam is a religion of peace.
When will you people get it! Christianity revolves around the New Testament and Jesus. Not the Old Testament. I keep having to say this but you people never ever listen or understand!!!!
YOUR interpretation of YOUR denominations view of the translation of the Bible that YOUR denomination acknowledges is that Christianity revolves around the New Testament and Jesus, with the Old Testament excluded entirely.
Your denomination is not the only form of Christianity.
If the entire Christian church were to agree that the Old Testament is quite literally old news, it would be in the best interest to release bibles that contain only the New Testament- if only in the interest of not confusing the children with a moral compass that flips between two very different directions for North.
YOUR interpretation of YOUR denominations view of the translation of the Bible that YOUR denomination acknowledges is that Christianity revolves around the New Testament and Jesus, with the Old Testament excluded entirely.
I don't discredit the entire Old Testament. Just the part where it talks about the Levticus and Number laws.
Your denomination is not the only form of Christianity.
I know that.
If the entire Christian church were to agree that the Old Testament is quite literally old news, it would be in the best interest to release bibles that contain only the New Testament- if only in the interest of not confusing the children with a moral compass that flips between two very different directions for North
The reason why the Bible has Old Testament is tell about the story of how God created the earth, and what happened through the course of history with Israel, and the coming of the Messiah. That's basically what the Old Testament is about.
1st the quran is one book written in one lifetime by the same person. The only parts that can be ignored are verses that are abrogated by newer verses addressing the same thing.
2nd the quran is not printed in Chronological order.
3rd Chapter 9 is actually the 2nd to last chapter to be written.
So while the bible starts off kind of violent, then there is a big difference (different covenant) and newer, much more peaceful text.
The quran actually starts off pretty peaceful, but then turns violent... All being written by the same person.
Islam is to testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, to perform the prayers, to pay the zakat, to fast in Ramadan, and to make the pilgrimage to the House if you are able to do
Note: not all of these Biblical quotes are from the new testament, but the entire Bible is supposed to be the word of god/jesus/holy spirit; so yea....................
Do you even know what Jihad is? It means a holy war. As i said in my other argument, extremists are brain washed. They think they are doing the right thing and fight a Jihad.
No, Not at all. yes I'm not Islam. But i know enough to say it is not Islam, it's extremists. yes extremists generally do come from Islamic religion. But that doesn't mean all Islams are terrorists. That is a racist belief. Extremists, for example the late Osama Bin Laden, take the words of the Islamic religion and twisted them to serve his purpose. and effectively brainwashed his organization. So the aggressive acts committed by these extremists, are what the believe to be the right thing to do.
Correction, no religious person can be perfect. A cornerstone of christian theology is that we are all broken, fallen sinners who deserve to die. Christianity makes no claim of being able to make someone free of sin, or transform someone into a perfect person. In fact, if that were possible, Christianity its self would be invalidated.
A religion however, can be good or bad, imperfect, or if it is the one true religion, can be perfect. The teachings of a religion can be perfect. I believe the teachings of Christianity, when you take into account the "whole picture" are perfect, where as the teachings of islam are horribly flawed and cater to the most evil ambitions of men.
Are you a Muslim? Have you read the Koran? I haven't so I can't say it's a violent religion. I don't know if what you say is true but if it is, I will switch my side to "violent".
And he (Ishmael) will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. -Gen 16:12
Islam is a moon-cult made up by the insane murderer/rapist/pedophile/idolater Mohammed (Perdition Be Upon Him) in order to satisfy his carnal desires, not least of which was bloodlust and conquest.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Cor 6:9-11
Yes, all have fallen short of the Lord (Rom 3:23), save Jesus Christ in whom we are saved (2 Cor. 5:21.) Both the Old and New Testaments make it clear how flawed human beings are in the various people it records, and that we need to repent of our evil ways. Chrstianity, at least, will lead people away from sin instead of towards it.
This is a stark contrast to Islam and its belief in Ismah, or infallibility of their filthy 'prophets' (Matt. 7:15). If their pedophile/rapist/murderer prophet and his goons cannot be criticized, how can Mohammed's (Perdition Be Upon Him) followers possibly put an end to their evil manner of life?
Islamic sources say Muhammad's wife Aisha was 6 at betrothal only 9 when the marriage was consummated. He is on record ordering the assassination of critics like asma bint marwan, in addition to beheading captives. Ibrahim bin Muhammad was the son of a sex slave and muhammad.
Perhaps, but someone in communion with the all knowing all loving God should know better than to commit crimes against humanity. A 50 year old man having sex with a 9 year old girl is evil down to an elementary level that transcends time. And keep in mind this is only one that we know about. Muhammad also captured female slaves in battle and defended the rights of men to use them sexually. Was any minimum age given for raping slaves? No
... How is it you consider a 20th century British priest a "founder of Christianity?"
There are no perfect people in this world, christian or not. That is theology 101. The point is islam embraces pedophilia while christianity does not. Neither religion is ever perfectly followed.
There is a clause within the Quran that explains that if a passage contradicts another passage then the one that is newer supersedes the previous. And in the quran the more violent passages almost always come after peacefull ones thus negating them. With the bible christians can cherry pick what they like and at least be somewhat justified in it because the superseding clause doesnt exist. You cannot do that with the quran so anyone who quotes these peacefull passages and claims that islam is peacefull is outright lying.
All religions are religions of violence. This includes Islam.
The simple existence of religion is a harmful distortion of reality, and it is a supple platform for the more detrimental dispositions of human nature. Notably, though, all religions do also have a potential for including mitigating pacifistic aspects.
You can't mean that. Harmful by whose standard? I'm not even sure what you mean by harmful. You wouldn't say that if you were Muslim. Is reality so easily distorted?
Well, I meant it half a year ago when I wrote it. I still consider religion in all forms to be a distortion of reality. However, others have subsequently presented stronger arguments than yours which have persuaded me to consider the potential functional necessity of religion.
Harmful by whose standard? I'm not even sure what you mean by harmful.
Mine, obviously. I consider most delusions to be more harmful than beneficial. Religion specifically asserts presumption as fact, and defends is assumptions absent and even against objective proof to the contrary. Consequentially, people act not according to what is real but according to the emotional prejudices they are indoctrinated into. Religion lies a foundation uniquely predisposed to ignorance and discrimination, and asserts that foundation as irrefutable on its own merit alone.
You wouldn't say that if you were Muslim.
Obviously. Your point?
Is reality so easily distorted?
Your incredulity alone does not an effective argument make.
Ever heard of the muslim invasion of the Byzantine empire? The muslim invasion of India? The muslim invasion of Greece? The muslim invasion of Cyprus? The muslim invasion of Spain? Do you think islam spread from Spain to India peacefully?
Imagine 1000 years from now someone criticizing the United States for invading France during World War II. Look at all those poor innocent Germans they killed on the shores of Normandy.....
Do Christians fight wars? Of course they fight wars... And I once saw a hindu man eat a cheeseburger. Take 20 minutes of your life to read what the Bible says and what the Quran says. Take another five minutes to learn about Jesus and another five to learn about the life of Muhammad.
hmmm now that you mention it. Nazis: christian. americans who killed almost all native americans: christian. and how do you suppose the byzantine empire became an empire? or all those christians who killed the Aztecs and plundered their gold.
I know of some Priests who died in concentration camps that might disagree with you.
Find me any occasion in history of one civilization being discovered by another that is 2,000 years more advanced and it turning out well for them.
Do you want to live in a world where there was no European conquest of America? I don't. "Nazis" would probably come up in day to day conversation much more frequently.
In addition, considering that a genocide is not true. Were they pushed around and wronged? For sure. Did we fight back when attacked, or perceived a threat? To excess. Did we systematically kill them off leaving no trace of them behind? Certainly not.
well that was the idea of the Nazi's and yes they were christian. christian EXTREMISTS Hitler being the Christian bin laden. and when was the last time you saw a native american walking down the street?
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
Hitler's anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Christian Austria and Germany in his time took for granted the belief that Jews held an inferior status to Aryan Christians. Jewish hatred did not spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, "On the Jews and their Lies," Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War II. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther.
Hitler did not have to parade his belief in God, as so many American Christians do now. Nor did he have to justify his Godly belief against an Atheist movement. He took his beliefs for granted just as most Germans did at that time. His thrust aimed at politics, not religion. But through his political and religious reasoning he established in 1933, a German Reich Christian Church, uniting the Protestant churches to instill faith in a national German Christianity.
Future generations should remember that Adolph Hitler could not have come into power without the support of the Protestant and Catholic churches and the German Christian populace.
The following quotes provides some of Hitler's expressions of his belief in religion, faith, fanaticism, Providence, and even a few of his paraphrasing of the Bible. It by no means represents the totality of Hitler's concerns. To realize the full context of these quotes, I implore the reader to study Mein Kampf.
The purpose of this text intends to dispute the claims made by Christians that Hitler "was an atheist," or "anti-religious," and to reveal the dangers of belief-systems. This text in no way attempts to give endorsement to anti-Semitism.
Quotations from Mein Kampf
Volume 1, Chapter 1, In the House of My Parents
Their sword will become our plow, and from the tears of war the daily bread of future generations will grow.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Note: "Their sword will become our plow" appears to paraphrase Micah 4:3 about beating swords into ploughshares, but his tears of war more resembles Joel 3:9-10 "Beat your plowshares into swords."
I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
I thank Heaven that a portion of the memories of those days still remains with me. Woods and meadows were the battlefields on which the 'conflicts' which exist everywhere in life were decided.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Only a handful of Germans in the Reich had the slightest conception of the eternal and merciless struggle for the German language, German schools, and a German way of life. Only today, when the same deplorable misery is forced on many millions of Germans from the Reich, who under foreign rule dream of their common fatherland and strive, amid their longing, at least to preserve their holy right to their mother tongue, do wider circles understand what it means to be forced to fight for one's nationality.
You don't listen very well... Here was my challenge
If that is true, then it should be no problem for you to find a video of Hitler giving a speech quoting the Bible, or praying in public.
Your jumble of quotes and opinions don't meet the criteria, just like your copy and paste jobs from "biblical violence." Yes, non believers go to hell, yes Hitler was a self proclaimed christian, we all know that. Find the quotes.
Do you see what you are doing? You are willing to side with something that you and I know is not true, just for the opportunity to make an off-topic drive-by attack on Christianity.
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
i already posted this it literally say to kill anyone who worships anything other than God
I am disagree with your opinion about islam is violence because it equal between all of people and there is no diffrent between rich people and poor people.
If terrorism has nothing to do with Islam then why do most of the Muslims, the followers of Islam, spread terrorism and violence? And the terrorists who are Muslims generally encourage young Muslims to spread terrorism and destroy the followers of other religion under the name of Allah.
Quran (2:191 - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
Exactly how much re-interpretation did Bin Ladin have to do here?
Here.... let me just do a little copy and paste job for you. The more you scroll the dumber you should feel...
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.
Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).
Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."
Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."
Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."
Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."
Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had the power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.
Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."
Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.
Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.
Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).
Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.
Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."
Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." How does the Quran define a true believer?
Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction." (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).
Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son. (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)
Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"
Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..." "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.
Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.
Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners," Those who reject Allah are to be subdued in battle. The verse goes on to say the only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is in order to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test. "But if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost."
Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"
Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.
Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' in verse 16.
Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "battle array" meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist." (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.
Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of 'Adn - Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success." This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above). It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.
Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end." The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.
Because God liked Abel's animal sacrifice more than Cain's vegetables, Cain kills his brother Abel in a fit of religious jealousy. 4:8
"I will destroy ... both man and beast."
God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17
"Every living substance that I have made will I destroy."
God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4
"All flesh died that moved upon the earth."
God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23
God sends a plague on the Pharaoh and his household because the Pharaoh believed Abram's lie. 12:17
God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God feel better. 15:9-10
Hagar conceives, making Sarai jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do to Hagar whatever she wants. "And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled." 16:6
"I will not destroy it for ten's sake."
I guess God couldn't find even ten good Sodomites because he decides to kill them all in Genesis 19. Too bad Abraham didn't ask God about the children. Why not save them? If Abraham could find 10 good children, toddlers, infants, or babies, would God spare the city? Apparently not. God doesn't give a damn about children. 18:32
Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Peter 2:7-8. 19:7-8
God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24
Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26
God gets angry with king Abimelech, though the king hasn't even touched Sarah. He says to the king, "Behold, thou art but a dead man," and threatens to kill him and all of his people. To compensate for the crime he never committed, Abimelech gives Abraham sheep, oxen, slaves, silver, and land. Finally, after Abraham "prayed unto God," God lifts his punishment to Abimelech, "for the Lord had fast closed up all the wombs of the house of Abimelech, because of Sarah." 20:3-18
Sarah, after giving birth to Isaac, gets angry again at Hagar (see 16:5-6) and tells Abraham to 'cast out this bondwoman and her son." God commands Abraham to "hearken unto her voice." So Abraham abandons Hagar and Ishmael, casting them out into the wilderness to die. 21:10-14
God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But finally, just before Isaac's throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill instead. 22:2-13
Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only an evil God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be willing to do it. 22:10
"Because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son."
Why did God love Abraham so much? Because he was willing to murder his son for him. (Greater evil hath no man than this, that he is willing to kill his own son for God.) 22:16
Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31
"The terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them." 35:5
"And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God's wrath? The Bible doesn't say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7
After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10
After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by whoredom." When Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24
Joseph interprets the baker's dream. He says that the pharaoh will cut off the baker's head, and hang his headless body on a tree for the birds to eat. 40:19
God brought a seven year, "very grievous" famine on the whole earth for no apparent reason (except maybe to make Joseph wealthy). 41:25-32, 54 thats one book. one.
Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12
"I will ... smite Egypt with all my wonders." 3:20
God threatens to kill the Pharaoh's firstborn son. 4:23
God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26
Moses and Aaron ask the Pharaoh to let all the Israelites go into the desert to pray for three days, or else God will kill them all "with pestilence, or with the sword." 5:3
"Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh." 6:1
God will make sure that Pharaoh does not listen to Moses, so that he can kill Egyptians with his armies. 7:4
"And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD." Who else could be so cruel and unjust? 7:5, 17
God tells Moses and Aaron to smite the river and turn it into blood. This is the first of the famous 10 plagues of Egypt. 7:17-24
The fifth plague: all cattle in Egypt die.
But a little later (9:19-20, 12:29), God kills them again a couple more times. 9:6
The sixth plague: boils and blains upon man and beast. 9:9-12
"For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth." Who else but the biblical god could be so cruel? 9:14
God gave power to the Pharaoh so that he could show off his own power by killing him. 9:15-16
The seventh plague is hail. "And the hail smote throughout the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast." 9:22-25
God wants to be remembered forever for the mass murder of little children. 10:2
These verses clearly show that the mass murder of innocent children by God was premeditated. (see 12:29-30) 11:4-6
God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7
God explains to Moses that he intends to "smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast. 12:12
After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished "there was not a house where there was not one dead." Finally, he runs out of little babies to kill, so he slaughters the firstborn cattle, too. 12:29
To commemorate the divine massacre of the Egyptian children, Moses instructs the Israelites to "sacrifice to the Lord all that openeth the matrix" -- all the males, that is. God has no use for dead, burnt female bodies. 13:2, 12, 15
"I will harden Pharaoh's heart." 14:4
After hardening Pharaoh's heart a few more times, God drowns Pharaoh's army in the sea. 14:4-28
The LORD shall fight for you. 14:14
"I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them: and I will get me honour." 14:17
"And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I have gotten me honour upon Pharaoh, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen." 14:18
"And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians." 14:26
"And Israel saw that great work which the LORD did upon the Egyptians." 14:31
Moses and the people sing praises to their murderous god. 15:1-19
"The Lord is a man of war." Indeed, judging from his acts in the Old Testament, he is a vicious warlike monster. 15:3
God's right hand dashes people in pieces. 15:6
"For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought again the waters of the sea upon them." 15:19
"Horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea." 15:21
If you do what God says, he won't send his diseases on you (like he did to the Egyptians). But otherwise.... 15:26
Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13
"I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven." 17:14
"The Lord has sworn [God swears!] that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." So God is still fighting Amalek. I hope Moses can still keep his hand up. 17:14-16
Any person or animal that touches Mt. Sinai shall be stoned to death or "shot through." Did Moses impose such severe penalties because he feared that someone might see him fake his meeting with God? 19:12-13
Like the great and powerful Wizard of Oz, nobody can see God and live. 19:21
God gives instructions for killing and burning animals. He says that if we will make such "burnt offerings," he will bless us for it. What kind of mind would be pleased by the killing and burning of innocent animals? 20:24
A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15, 17
It's okay to beat your slaves; even if they die you won't be punished, just as long as they survive a day or two after the beating (see verses 21:20-21). But avoid excessive damage to their eyes or teeth. Otherwise you may have to set them free. 21:26-27
An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 21:24-25
If an ox gores someone, "then the ox shall surely be stoned." 21:28
If an ox gores someone due to the negligence of its owner, then "the ox shall be stoned, and his owner shall be put to death.". 21:29
If an ox gores a slave, the owner of the ox must pay the owner of the slave 30 shekels of silver, and "the ox shall be stoned." 21:32
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18
"Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death." Is it really necessary to kill such people? Couldn't we just send them to counseling or something? 22:19
"He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20
If you make God angry enough, he will kill you and your family with his own sword. 22:24
"The firstborn of thy sons thou shalt give unto me." (As a burnt offering?) 22:29
God promises to "send his fear before the Israelites" and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27
God has hornets that bite and kill people. 23:28
Moses has some animals killed and their dead bodies burned for God. Then he sprinkles their blood on the altar and on the people. This makes God happy. 24:5-8
Get some animals, kill them, chop up their bodies, wave body parts in the air, burn the carcasses, and sprinkle the blood all around -- in precisely the way God tells you. It may well make you sick, but it makes God feel good. 29:11-37
Have your killed and offered your bullock for a sin offering today? How about the two lambs you are supposed to offer each day? 29:36-39
Wash up or die. This is a good verse to use when reminding the kiddies to wash their hands before supper. 30:20
Whoever puts holy oil on a stranger shall be "cut off from his people." 30:33
Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14
God asks to be left alone so that his "wrath may wax hot" and he can "consume them. 32:10
Moses burned the golden calf, ground it into powder, and then forced it down the throats of all the people. 32:20
God orders the sons of Levi (Moses, Aaron, and the other members of their tribe that were "on the Lord's side") to kill "every man his neighbor." "And there fell of the people that day about 3000 men." 32:27-28
"Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book." 32:33
But God wasn't satisfied with the slaughter of the 3000, so he killed some more people with a plague. 32:35
If you can't redeem him, then just "break his neck." Hey, it's all for the glory of God. 34:20
Whoever works, or even kindles a fire, on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." 35:2-3
Leviticus
God gives detailed instructions for performing ritualistic animal sacrifices. such bloody rituals must be important to God, judging from the number of times that he repeats their instructions. Indeed the entire first nine chapters of Leviticus can be summarized as follows: Get an animal, kill it, sprinkle the blood around, cut the dead animal into pieces, and burn it for a "sweet savor unto the Lord." Chapters 1 - 9
"Kill the bullock before the LORD ... bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar." 1:5
"Flay the burnt offering; cut it into pieces." 1:6
Lay ... the head, and the fat ... on the fire which is upon the altar: But his inwards and his legs ... burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice ... a sweet savour unto the LORD." 1:8-9
"Kill ... before the Lord and ... sprinkle blood round about." 1:11
"Cut it into his pieces, with his head and his fat ... and burn it ... for a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:12-13
"If the burnt sacrifice ... be of fowls ... wring off his head, and burn it ... and the blood thereof shall be wrung out." 1:14-15
"For a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:17
"Part it in pieces... it is a meat offering." 2:6
"It is a thing most holy of the offerings of the LORD made by fire." 2:10
"He shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it ... and .... sprinkle the blood ... round about." 3:2
"The fat that covereth the inwards ... and the two kidneys ... and the caul above the liver.... It is ... a sweet savour unto the Lord." 3:3-5
"He shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it ... and .... sprinkle the blood ... round about." 3:8
"The fat ... the whole rump ... the inwards ... the two kidneys ... burn it upon the altar: it is the food of the offering made by fire unto the LORD." 3:9-11
"If his offering be a goat ... he shall lay his hand upon the head ... and kill it ... and ... sprinkle the blood ... round about." 3:12-13
"The fat that covereth the inwards ... the two kidneys ... and the caul above the liver ... burn them upon the altar; it is the food of the ooffering made by fire for a sweet savour." 3:14-16
"All the fat is the Lord's."
When you do your burnt offerings, remember that "all the fat is the Lord's." (And he doesn't like to share!) 3:16
"Kill the bullock before the Lord and take of the bullock's blood." 4:4
"The priest shall dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle the blood seven times before the Lord." 4:6
"Put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar ... and ... pour all the blood of the bullock at the bottom of the altar." 4:7
"Take ... all the fat of the bullock for the sin offering; the fat that covereth the inwards ... the two kidneys ... and the caul above the liver ... and ... burn them upon the altar of the burnt offering." 4:8-10
"And the skin of the bullock, and all his flesh, with his head, and with his legs, and his inwards, and his dung...."
What to do with the fat, kidneys, liver, skin, head, entrails, and dung from your burnt offerings. 4:11-12
"Offer a young bullock for the sin ... The bullock shall be killed before the Lord." 4:14-15
"Bring of the bullock's blood ... And the priest shall dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle the blood seven times before the Lord." 4:16-17
"Put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar ... and ... pour out all the blood ... and ... take all his fat from him, and burn it upon the altar." 4:18-19
"He shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it." 4:24-25
"The priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out his blood ... and he shall burn all his fat upon the altar." 4:25-26
"Slay the sin offering ... and the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering ... and shall pour out all the blood." 4:29-30
"He shall take away all the fat ... and ... burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD." 4:31
"Slay the sin offering ... and the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering and shall pour out all the blood." 4:33-35
"A fire devoureth before them ... nothing shall escape."
On "the day of the Lord", everything and everyone will be burned to death. 2:3
"The people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness." 2:6
People will try to commit suicide but will not be able to. 2:8
"Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears." 3:10
"Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness." 3:19
Amos
The divine pyromaniac threatens to "send fire unto" Hazael, Gaza, Tyrus, Teman, Rabbah, Moab, and Judah. 1:4, 7, 10, 12, 14; 2:2, 5
"I will ... cut off the inhabitant from the plain of Aven ... and the people of Syria shall go into captivity." 1:5
"I will cut off the inhabitant from Ashdod, and him that holdeth the sceptre from Ashkelon, and I will turn mine hand against Ekron: and the remnant of the Philistines shall perish, saith the Lord GOD." 1:8
God will "slay all the princes" of Moab.2:3
God destroyed the Amorites who were a race of giants as tall as cedars and as strong as oaks. 2:9
God's creative ways of kiilling people and breaking things. 3:12-15
God afflicted the Israelites with "cleanness of teeth" (famine,) drought, blasting, and mildew. He killed them with pestilence, slaughtered them with the sword, and "made the stink of their camps come up into their noses." Destroyed them like they were from Sodom and Gomorrah. And yet they still didn't return to him. What is wrong with people? 4:6-11
"Therefore thus will I do unto thee .... Prepare to meet thy God, O Israel." 4:12
"For thus saith the Lord GOD; The city that went out by a thousand shall leave an hundred, and that which went forth by an hundred shall leave ten." 5:3
"Seek the LORD, and ye shall live; lest he break out like fire in the house of Joseph, and devour it." 5:6
When there is wailing and mourning, you'll know God's been there. 5:16-17
God says, "If there remain ten men in one house, that they shall die." 6:9
"The LORD commandeth, and he will smite the great house with breaches, and the little house with clefts."
(God will destroy people's houses.) 6:11
Next God sends a fire that consumes both land and sea. 7:4
God will kill the house of Jeroboam with the sword. 7:9-11
Amos tells Amaziah that his wife will become a whore, his children will be killed, and he'll die in a pagan country. 7:17
"The songs of the temple shall be howlings in that day, saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place." 8:3
God will kill so many people that dead bodies will lay everywhere. 8:3
"I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day." 8:10
"In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst." 8:13
They shall fall, and never rise up again." 8:14
God will "cut them in the head" and "slay the last of them with the sword." Any that try to escape by diving to the bottom of the sea will be bitten, at God's command, by a sea-serpent. God will set his "eyes upon them for evil, not for good." 9:1-4
God will melt the land with his touch and then drown it in a flood. 9:5
God will destroy the "the sinful kingdom" and "all the sinners" among his people. 9:8-10
Obadiah
The Israelites hear "a rumor from the Lord" telling them to start a war with the Edomites. 1, 8
God tells Israelites to "destroy the wise men out of Edom" and to slaughter "everyone of the mount of Esau." 8-9
God will burn all the heathen to death, "for the LORD hath spoken it." 16-18
Micah
God will destroy Samaria with stones. 1:6
God accuses the Israelite leaders of plucking off skin, flesh from bones, eating human flesh, flaying off skin, breaking bones, chopping bodies in pieces, making human stew. To punish them he will ignore them when they call on him. 3:1-4
God will strengthen the Israelites so they can "beat in pieces many peoples" and give the booty to God. 4:13
"They shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword." 5:6
Like a young lion "the remnant of Jacob" will tear the Gentiles to pieces. 5:8
"Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off." 5:9
"I will cut off thy horses." 5:10
God will "cut off" the witches and soothsayers. 5:11-12
God will destroy entire cities, and "execute vengeance in anger and fury upon the heathen such as they have not heard." 5:14-15
God will make his people sick, hungry, and desolate. Those who survive he will "give up to the sword." 6:13-16
The Gentiles will be made deaf, shall lick dust and be forced to crawl like worms from fear of God and his people. 7:16-17
Nahum
God doesn't just get even. He drowns or burns to death his enemies. 1:8-10
"Behold, I am against thee, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will burn her chariots." 2:13
"There is a multitude of slain, and a great number of carcasses; and there is none end of their corpses; they stumble upon their corpses." Now that's a lot of dead people. 3:3
God punished Nineveh by enslaving the people and smashing the little children in the streets. 3:10
God says that "the fire shall devour thee, the sword shall cut thee off, it shall eat thee up like the cankerworm." 3:15 a little from the middle
"Ye are come ... to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel." 12:22-24
James
James says Abraham was justified by works (for being willing to kill his son for God); Paul (Romans 4:2-3) says he was justified by faith (for believing that God would order him to do such an evil act). 2:21
1 Peter
We are all, according to Peter, predestined to be saved or damned. We have no say in the matter. It was all determined by "the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ."1:2
"The precious blood of Christ ... was foreordained before the foundation of the world."
God planned to kill Jesus from the get-go. 1:19-20
God drowned everyone on earth except for Noah and his family. 3:20
2 Peter
God drowned everyone else on earth except for Noah and his family. 2:5, 3:6
"Turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes" 2:6
God will set the entire earth on fire so that he can burn non-believers to death. 3:7
When Jesus returns, he'll burn up the whole earth and everything on it. 3:10
1 John
Christians are washed in the blood of Jesus. 1:7
Jude
"The Lord destroyed them that believed not." 5
God sent "eternal fire" on the people of Sodom and Gomorrah for "going after strange flesh." 7-8
Revelation
Jesus "washed us ... with his own blood." 1:5
Everyone on earth will wail because of Jesus. 1:7
Jesus has "the keys of hell and death." 1:18
Repent -- or else Jesus will fight you with the sword that sticks out of his mouth. (Like the limbless knight in Monty Python's "Holy Grail.") 2:16
"I [Jesus] will kill her children with death." 2:23
"Thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." God created parasites, pathogens, and predators for his very own pleasure. One of his favorite species is guinea worms. 4:11
"Thou art worthy ... for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood." 5:9
God gives someone on a white horse a bow and sends him out to conquer people. 6:2
God gave power to someone on a red horse "to take from the earth ... that they should kill one another." 6:4
God tells Death and Hell to kill one quarter of the earth's population with the sword, starvation, and "with the beasts of the earth." 6:8
The martyrs just can't wait until everyone else is slaughtered. God gives them a white robe and tells them to wait until he's done with his killing spree. 6:10-11
God tells his murderous angels to "hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of your God on their foreheads." This verse is one that Christians like to use to show God's loving concern for the environment. But the previous verse (7:2) makes it clear that it was their God-given job to "hurt the earth and the sea" just as soon as they finished their forehead marking job. 7:3
144,000 Jews will be going to heaven; everyone else is going to hell. 7:4
Those that survive the great tribulation will get to wash their clothes in the blood of the lamb. 7:14
God sends his angels to destroy a third part of all the trees, grass, sea creature, mountains, sun, moon, starts, and water. 8:7-13
"Many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." 8:11
The angels are instructed not to "hurt the grass [how could they? He already had all the grass killed in 8:7] ... but only those men which have not the seal of God on their foreheads." God tells his angels not to kill them, but rather torment them with scorpions for five months. Those tormented will want to die, but God won't let them. 9:4-6
God makes some horse-like locusts with human heads, women's hair, lion's teeth, and scorpion's tails. They sting people and hurt them for five months. 9:7-10
Four angels, with an army of 200 million, killed a third of the earth's population. 9:15-19
Anyone that messes with God's two olive trees and two candlesticks (God's witnesses) will be burned to death by fire that comes out of their mouths. 11:3-5
God's witnesses have special powers. They can shut up heaven so that it cannot rain, turn rivers into blood, and smite the earth with plagues "as often as they will." 11:6
After God's witnesses "have finished their testimony," they are killed in a war with a beast from a bottomless pit. 11:7
The bodies of God's witnesses will lie unburied for three and a half days. People will "rejoice over them and make merry, and shall send gifts to one another." After another three and half days God brings his witnesses back to life and they ascend into heaven. 11:8-12
When the witnesses ascend into heaven, an earthquake kills 7000 men. This was the second woe. "The third woe cometh quickly." 11:13-14
"The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world"
God planned to kill Jesus before he created the world. 13:8
Those who receive the mark of the beast will "drink of the wine of the wrath of God ... and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone ... and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever." 14:10-11
Jesus sits on a white cloud with a sharp sickle in his hand. When the angel tells him to reap, he kills all the people with his sickle. 14:14-18
"The great winepress of the wrath of God ... was trodden ... and the blood cam out of the winepress, even unto the horses bridles." 14:19-20
Seven angels with seven plagues are filled with the wrath of God. 15:1, 7
The seven vials of wrath: 1) sores, 2) sea turned to blood, 3) rivers turned to blood, 4) people scorched with fire, 5) people gnaw their tongues in pain, 6) Euphrates dries up, 7) thunder, lightning, earthquake, and hail. 16:1
"There fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast." 16:2
"The second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea." 16:3
"The third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood." 16:4
God gave the saints and prophets blood to drink. 16:6
Another angel tells God how righteous he is because he gives saints blood to drink. 16:7
"Power was given unto him [the fourth angel] to scorch men with fire." 16:8
Those who were being burned to death by God didn't repent "to give him glory." 16:9
"The fifth angel poured out his vial ... and they gnawed their tongues for pain." 16:10
Even after being burned alive, those nasty people wouldn't repent! 16:11
Christians will fight in the war between Jesus and those allied with the beast. 17:14
"They shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire." (Are they going to eat her first and then burn her?) 17:16-17
To punish her God will send plagues and famine, and "she will be utterly burned with fire." 18:8
God will send plagues, death, and famine on Babylon, and the kings "who have committed fornication with her" will be sad to see her burn. 18:8-9
Jesus makes war. 19:11
Jesus' clothes are dipped in blood and his secret name ("that no man knew") is "The Word of God". (I bet you thought it was Jesus!) 19:13
With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful in heaven into holy war on earth. 19:14-15
"Come ... unto the supper of the great God." An angel calls all the fowls to feast upon the flesh of dead horses and human bodies, "both free and bond, both small and great." 19:17-18
The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest were killed with the sword of Jesus. "And all the fowls were filled with their flesh." 19:20-21
God will send fire from heaven to devour people. And the devil will be tormented "day and night for ever and ever." 20:9-10
Whoever isn't found listed in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. 20:15
All liars, as well as those who are fearful or unbelieving, will be cast into "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." 21:8
There is a big difference between Muhammad going out and telling people to kill everyone who isn't a muslim and the New Testament describing the events of judgement day.
Assuming you are an atheist, you don't believe in judgement day anyway. You can't call a religion violent because they expect a violent event to happen which you think is fictional. Violent means actually going out and hurting people because you think the bible/quran or whatever tells you to.
If your argument was "The Christian God does violent things" I would have agreed with you from the beginning. God does do horrific, terrible, perfectly justified things yes.
All liars, as well as sorcerers, idolaters, and those who are fearful or unbelieving, will be cast into "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." Revelation 21:8
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Fairly clear, isn't it? Christians are instructed in their "holy" bible to murder persons who do not believe in their god. Why haven't we heard more about this? Because many Christians are content to ignore certain parts of their bible while obsessing about others. And what of those who do not ignore such parts of their "sacred" text? We call them extremists.
Muhammad was the original terrorist. He even claimed, "I have been made victorious with terror."
All modern terrorists simply follow in Muhammad the pedophile's footsteps. From Muhammad Atta crashing into the WTC likely reciting the takbir to Abubakar Shekau bragging abducting over 200 schoolgirls and selling them as sex slaves for $12 a head.
a tendency or disposition to go to extremes or an instance of going to extremes, especially in political matters: leftist extremism; the extremism of the Nazis.
Pretty weak definition, but I'll take it. Why are Nazi's labeled "extreme" were there not some good nazis? Some nazis that didn't really know what was going on? What about the ones that tried to assassinate Hitler for the good of humanity?
Why do nazis get labeled as violent and extreme when there are exceptions?
If the voice of God is the message of truth, God has had many messengers, most of them scientists who, not coincidentally have changed the world far more than Muhammed. Einstein brought us knowledge of the universe..and the A-bomb. Genghis Khan changed the world forever..with a bloodbath.
The root of the word Islam, silm, refers to "making peace, being in a mutually peaceful environment, greetings, rescue, safety, being secure, finding peace, reaching salvation and well being or being far from danger, attaining goodness, comfort and favor, keeping away from troubles and disasters, submitting the self and obeying, respect, being far from wrong." Hence Islam is a religion of peace also. But Islam's doctrines and texts have in some cases been associated with violence. Attitudes and laws towards both violence and peace exist within the Islamic tradition.So, we can say that Islam is a religion of peace as well as violence. But we mostly consider Islam as a religion of violence because the followers of Islam are generally seen spreading violence.
Like most religions it is one of peace and equality its just a group of people who are fucking up for the rest of them. I'm more than 110% certain that the majority who follow Islamic Religion are not planning on killing anyone, causing violence or anything like that, they just want to live the bog standard life with out the small majority fucking shit up for them.
Look guys, im not saying Islam is a religion of peace at all. i chose peace because it is no worse or better than any other religion. all religions. all people are violent and greedy and lustful in nature. and for the record. i am Christian. and i have read a good amount of the Bible. Christianity and Judaism are no more violent than Islam
there should be some kind of middle ground. but it appears we are about equal my friend. if you must believe Muslims are terrible people because of their religion so be it. just wanted to put in my view. and for some people on this site, there is no need to get personal its a debate site
Muslims regard the Quran as the literal word of God, as revealed by the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad. It contains God's guidance in the form of direct instruction, warnings, parables, and encouragement.
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians...and (all) who believe in God and the last day and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." The Qur'an,
