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Is Islam left wing or right wing on the political spectrum?

THE FAR RIGHT vs ISLAM
1)Against homosexuality? Check.
2)Not feminist. Check.
3)Misogynystic? Check.
4)Heavily religious? Check.
5)Intollerant of minority groups? Check.
6)Heavily antisemitic? Check.
7)Tribal/Nationalist? Check.

So if Islam is the things the left says it hates, why do they defend it....

Left wing

Side Score: 36
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Right wing

Side Score: 48
2 points

This debate is about whether Muslims are right wing or left wing, not about if they are

1)Against homosexuality? Check.

2)Not feminist. Check.

3)Misogynystic? Check.

4)Heavily religious? Check.

5)Intollerant of minority groups? Check.

So since you are labeling them with these, and indirectly admitting they are the opposite of liberalism, that means you are by proxy admitting that conservatives are all those things.

Side: Left wing
3 points

So since you are labeling them with these, and indirectly admitting they are the opposite of liberalism

I am. And they are.

that means you are by proxy admitting that conservatives are all those things.

I am admitting that these are qualities the left claims we have to demonize us. I am then claiming Islam is by far, more entrinched into those concepts than your average Western world conservative.

I am then claiming, to call right wingers Nazis, labeling Nazis as pure evil, and then not labeling Muslims as right wing Nazis is nonsensical and illogical and based in Orwellian doublethink.

Finally, I am claiming that to demonize right wing views as evil to the point that the left should use violence to oppose it, all while protecting and defending groups with far right views...is insanity and hypocrisy that is beyond the pale, and to never be taken seriously as a logical point of view.

Side: Right wing
ArnoDorian(47) Disputed
2 points

I am then claiming, to call right wingers Nazis, labeling Nazis as pure evil, and then not labeling Muslims as right wing Nazis is nonsensical and based in Orwellian doublethink.

Here's the thing, right wingers are right wingers, which means they are closer to Hitler on the political spectrum then left wingers, but muslims are not right wingers, muslims are whatever wingers they happen to be on an individual basis, because islam doesn't dictate your politics.

Side: Left wing
1 point

I am admitting that these are qualities the left claims we have to demonize us. I am then claiming Islam is by far, more entrinched into those concepts than your average Western world conservative.

Well, let's have a quick look at the opinions of your "average" Bible belt Christian Conservative:-

1) Against homosexuality? Check.

2)Not feminist. Check.

3)Misogynystic? Check.

4)Heavily religious? Check.

5)Intolerant of minority groups? Check.

Oh, will you look at that? Your hypocrisy is still unrivalled this side of Mars.

Side: Left wing
HyperComm5(25) Clarified
1 point

Are conservatives not those things? Such fun lol

Try walking to a conservative conference let alone an alt-right one with literature, brochures and admitting to the "benefits" of an involving society revolving around those 5.

You might as well be at a Muslim Brotherhood defunct meeting in Egypt.

Side: Left wing
1 point

Conservatives are those things. This is why they're enemies and its probably that simple.

Side: Left wing
2 points

Very interesting question: I think it is hard to position them on our political spectrum because they are a "side" of their own

You could assimilate them to the right because muslims are nationalistic in way: they will fight and die for Islam wich serves as a unifying force in the middle of the cultural meltingpot in the same way a country could. But they cannot be assimilated to the right wing we know for pretty much the same reasons: they prefer islam to their contry, and are opposed to christianity

You could assimilate them to the left wing because muslims vote for the left and hate the right. But you cant assimilate them to the left because they dissagree on things such as womens rights, homosexuals and such

In conclusio: Islam is not right wing or left wing but it is a wing of its own

Side: Left wing
HyperComm5(25) Clarified
1 point

Your second paragraph is just PREFERENCE based on universal ideas and not specifically religious ones. Remember we are in effect comparing a RELIGION to a POLITICAL SPECTRUM. Not Universal Non-Religious Ideals. Namely the religious ones being (Man-Female Relationships, Sexuality, Feminism)

Considering (barring minorities, which isn't left-wing because they are merely looking out for their own self interest thus (Universal Ideas) they are Right-Wing.

The final solution is they are Right-Wing Generalized. They may not meet specific qualities but they are Right-Wing nonetheless.

"Right Wing" based on said qualities again is Religious.

In reality we are comparing two religions

Side: Left wing
cruzaders(326) Clarified
1 point

Hi! Im sorry but I did not understand your 2 first paragraph, could you rephrase it? I just wanna be sure to answer you correctly

And Im bringing a little "precision" to what I said earlier: We could call them right wing, if we consider that both the right wing and muslims are very traditionnal in their way of thinking

But the differences are just so big that we cant possibly put them in the same lot, plus muslims and the right wing hate each other

Thats why I think the conventionnal spectre is not enough (An interesting thing to do would be to ask this question to a muslim, although I am pretty sure he will answer the left)

Side: Left wing
ChriIsBored(33) Disputed
1 point

It's an extreme left and right wing....

A living hypocricy....

Side: Right wing
cruzaders(326) Clarified
1 point

I dont think you can call it that, if you go see what kind of people are at both extremes they do share a lot of things

left: wears communist symbols, attacks cops, have kind of a gang hierarchy

right: the exact same thing, only you swap the hammer and sickle for swastikas

Another thing they have in common is their hate for muslims and immigrants

Side: Left wing

Bronto, I honestly find the stupidity of some of your questions to be borderline spectacular. Islam is a religious ideology, not a political ideology. You can't measure it on the political spectrum because it doesn't exist on the political spectrum. You might as well ask if a metre is more or less than five seconds.

Side: Left wing
4 points

@nomenclature

Islam is a religious ideology, not a political ideology

You'd think you'd get tired of being dead wrong, but it never happens.

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Side: Right wing
4 points

Dupe*

Side: Right wing
xMathFanx(1743) Clarified
1 point

@Nomenclature

Bronto, I honestly find the stupidity of some of your questions to be borderline spectacular.

Have you considered this is partly/largely due to your (often) inability to comprehend his arguments?

Side: Left wing

I've watched nom crash and burn in so many debates at this point that I've begun to pity his ignorance. It's like watching a wingless hornet trying to get off the ground and confounded as to why it can't fly.

Side: Left wing
Nomenclature(1257) Clarified
1 point

Have you considered this is partly/largely due to your (often) inability to comprehend his arguments?

Lol. Have you considered the reason you might be angry with me is because I know exactly which buttons to press?

You are no puzzle, MathFan. Criticise your limited intellectual capacity and out you come like a rabid dog, wild-eyed and dribbling from one corner of your mouth.

Your emotions appear to have caused you to overlook a couple of small things. Firstly, it is your responsibility as a writer to ensure people understand your arguments. Secondly, bronto asked an irrational question. Asking an irrational question is not the same thing as producing an argument, much less a coherent one. Thirdly, go cry into your pillow, you dopey narcissistic fairy.

Side: Left wing
1 point

Islam is 100% right wing, I think the reason why the left defend Islam is because in our country they are the minority and us left wingers defend peoples rights to be who they are and the freedom of religion. That being said, When the left have a problem with something we aim it at the country opposed to a group of people. For example, Saudi Arabia being on the board of human rights when their human rights is appalling and yes we agree it is because of far right Islamic views. Now, we don't point at Turkey or Morocco although they are Islamic countries and there is a very good reason for that. It's because they aren't forcing Islam on it's people. The same way as we wouldn't like people trying to force people not to believe in something. It is all about freedom and we dislike those who are trying to rid us of our basic freedoms.

Side: Left wing
2 points

Chocolate chip cookies.

They are good for your colon.

Your colon is good for topologically applied sunscreen particles.

Side: Right wing
3 points

Unable to defend your position eh Arno? Jolly good.*

Side: Left wing
ArnoDorian(47) Disputed
2 points

So now you're asserting that I have a position in your stupid polarized debate? I told you retard, not all Muslims are this or that, there are many different types of people who are Muslim. Some are left, some are right, some are apolitical, some are violent some are peaceful etc.

Side: Right wing
2 points

I'm a Left Wing Atheist and although I don't care for there views just like I don't care for the Christians holding up the "God hates Fags" signs, I wouldn't want to take away their right to hold those views. This is America and everyone has the right to believe what they want. The only time it becomes a problem is when they try to impose those views on others and take rights away from people they don't agree with. Your Rights stop as soon as they encroach on mine.

Side: Right wing
cruzaders(326) Clarified
1 point

I'm a right wing catholic and I must I find it truly weird that christians in the US carry those type of signs, it is done no where else in the world, maybe is it due to the hot blooded american character?

Christians should pity gays, not hate them

Side: Left wing
2 points

Fundamentalist Islamic views are to the right of Hitler. As you've pointed out, they hold views such as anti-homosexuality which aren't compatible with liberal ideas.

Side: Right wing
1 point

Fundamentalist Islamic views are to the right of Hitler. As you've pointed out, they hold views such as anti-homosexuality which aren't compatible with liberal ideas.

As he's pointed out? He's a Christian. The Bible commands Christians to murder homosexuals. I can name plenty of liberal Christians.

I am shocked sir by your lack of intelligence.

Side: Left wing
4 points

Bwahahahahaha! Your liberal brother lives in reality and your panties crawl into a wad. Good stuff.

Side: Right wing
NicolasCage(505) Disputed
1 point

I think you've misunderstood my point. I'm not saying, "Muslims and Christians cannot be liberals", I'm saying that those views are not compatible with the modern liberal mindset.

Of course plenty of Muslims and Christians are liberals, because many of them abandon those hateful, rigid teachings.

I'd appreciate it if you were less hostile :)

Side: Right wing
MoeJaja(1) Disputed
1 point

Bible has never commanded to kill. Thats the Qur'an. don't say someone else lacks intelligence when you yourself are not even telling the truth

Side: Right wing
1 point

So quit telling us to bring them into our countries. Pretty simple logic now isn't it?

Side: Left wing
NicolasCage(505) Disputed
1 point

Your argument is the antithesis of logic. So you're saying that we should stop arguing for them to be let into the country because they're... right wing?

Side: Right wing
Shanerv1(3) Disputed
1 point

No one has said that, Refugees maybe. I am left wing and even I can't stand some of the lefts behavior. It really can be anti progressive but I think the far right are consistently anti progressive because of its damaging views. In answering this way I think you know that yourself if you know you're the same wing.

Side: Right wing
1 point

Hello bront

Religious fundamentalists, like yourself, are often quite right wing, like yourself.

excon

PS> I defend Islam like I defend Christianity because I believe in the First Amendment. I thought right wingers did too. No huh?

Side: Right wing
3 points

But what you don't do is defend Nazism, and Islam holds every single Nazi position. To condemn only some "Nazis" is rather disingenuous. To then condemn someone for pointing out that Islam and Nazism are two wings on the same bird is Orwellian doublethink.

Side: Left wing