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The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48)
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34)
Context is the key to Jesus' words. In Matthew 10:34, Jesus is speaking about the divisions that will come, even among family members, over their belief or lack of belief about Him. In that respect, He has come to bring division. This context is also related in Luke 12:51.
I don't understand believing a teaching that there is an invisible, undetectable being in the sky who created everything and controls everything would make you a better person.
He wasn't invisible when He was on this earth. He made it clear that He was alive when He was on this earth through multiple sources. He does makes you a better person because you don't do what you used to do anymore and you are changed person through Christ.
The Old Testament predicts the coming of the Christ. If people made up Jesus being the Son of God, then why do so many of His prophecies match up with the Old Testament, yet it not be so obvious that everyone believe it, displaying that Jesus was not intentionally made up to deceive?
But they were written by different authors in a time that did not believe that the Messiah would die, let alone be resurrected. No one believed Jesus, not even His own apostles at the time of His death; Paul and James had radical conversions. The power of Christ moved within these peoples and showed them the truth!
Yes, He was on this earth. That explains why we know of Him because if Christ never came we wouldn't know of Him. You've go to thank those men in the Bible who were authors of some of those books because if it weren't for them we wouldn't have information about God or any of the stories in the Bible.
So how do you reinforce justice and morals if let's say the Government goes bankrupt and there is no budget to spend on police? Crime rates would be sky high.
But when a person knows that God is watching, he might not be all good, but there will be some sort of phobia created to ban him from doing criminal acts.
This is a reply to this specific argument that knowing that God is watching will let people be better people.
So how do you reinforce justice and morals if let's say the Government goes bankrupt and there is no budget to spend on police? Crime rates would be sky high.
But when a person knows that God is watching, he might not be all good, but there will be some sort of phobia created to ban him from doing criminal acts.
This is a reply to this specific argument that knowing that God is watching will let people be better people.
So was Hitler. Being a great public speaker doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you're a good role model. Stephen Hawking - not such a great public speaker because it's hard to listen to Teletype for 3 hours. However, if any of my children would pick him as a role model (astrophysicist), then I'd say that's a pretty darn good choice compared to a self righteous liberal hippy.
Anybody successful can be taken as a good role model. Hitler was not successful as his prejudices and rushed strategies brought him down pretty quickly. If someone is corrupt, they cannot be successful as they have already lost their principles. Anything wrong with self-righteous liberal hippies?
Did Jesus try to make the world a better place for everyone? Yes
Is he a good example of how one person can change the world? Yes.
Should we follow his example of doing everything in our power to make the world better for everyone? Well obviously.
Does that mean that we have to preach that there's an evil force in all of mankind because a rib-woman that didn't know right from wrong discovered right from wrong by eating an illegal fruit that God created for no reason? No that's insane.
Christians like to claim ownership of Christ. But the veneration of Jesus by Muslims began during the lifetime of the Prophet of Islam. Perhaps most telling is the story in the classical biographies of Muhammad, who, entering the city of Mecca in triumph in 630AD, proceeded at once to the Kaaba to cleanse the holy shrine of its idols. As he walked around, ordering the destruction of the pictures and statues of the 360 or so pagan deities, he came across a fresco on the wall depicting the Virgin and Child. He is said to have covered it reverently with his cloak and decreed that all other paintings be washed away except that one.
Jesus, or Isa is referred to by name in as many as 25 different verses of the Quran and six times with the title of "Messiah" (or "Christ", depending on which Quranic translation is being used). He is also referred to as the "Messenger" and the "Prophet" but, perhaps above all else, as the "Word" and the "Spirit" of God. No other prophet in the Quran, not even Muhammad, is given this particular honour. In fact, among the 124,000 prophets said to be recognised by Islam - a figure that includes all of the Jewish prophets of the Old Testament - Jesus is considered second only to Muhammad, and is believed to be the precursor to the Prophet of Islam.
Supporting Evidence:
Jesus in Islam
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Jesus, or Isa, as he is known in Arabic, is deemed by Islam to be a Muslim prophet rather than the Son of God, or God incarnate. He is referred to by name in as many as 25 different verses of the Quran and six times with the title of "Messiah" (or "Christ", depending on which Quranic translation is being used).
The Old Testament said that the Messiah would be the Son of God. Jesus is the Messiah in Islam. Therefore, in Islam, Jesus is the Son of God.
Jesus is considered second only to Muhammad, and is believed to be the precursor to the Prophet of Islam.
The Old Testament leads up to the coming of the Messiah. Why would the Messiah come and not be the greatest of all the prophets?
I believe in the real Injeel (Arabic for Bible) that is now in the possession of Jesus peace be upon him. And I believe that the testament and the Bible has been falsified by the jews during the time of Jesus. The reason was to regain control of their religious authority.
And the Quran clearly states:
It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is. Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: therefore serve Him; this is the Straight Way. [The Holy Qur'an, Surah 19:35-36]
That would depend on what you define a good role model as.
If you mean in a christian stance then he is a perfect role model because the whole idea is to be "christ-like"
If you mean in a moral sense then its relative, unless you decide there is a good to give objective morality to the situation. And that would also be unhelpful because that would not tell us what morals are objective, unless you believe that christ was God which is circular and needs you to believe the premise (that Jesus was a good role model).
Thus the only defensible position to take is that he is structurally neccesary to christianity as a role model, and is good in that sense.
Yes, if you look at the stories of Jesus, he was a good role model. He helped and loved everyone. He never turned a person away-not even prostitutes or criminals. He believed in feeding everyone. From a WWJD website: 1)He embraced the outcasts--Jesus demonstrated the love of God by accepting the castaways of society. This provoked great disdain from the religious establishment. But Jesus was much less squeamish than most about embracing the sinful and sickly, the unseemly and unimportant. 2)He restored broken lives--Jesus provided for people's physical and financial needs (Matt. 14:14-21-21, 17:27). He cast out demons (Luke 4:36), healed broken bodies (Luke 5:17), raised the dead (John 11:1-44), and forgave the sins of the guilty (Matt. 9:6).
I consider the willingness to die for the greater good to be a good quality.
Granted, dying needlessly is stupid, so it should be avoided. Jesus himself demonstrates his hesitation to die in Luke 22:42, also implying that there was no other way for him to achieve God's greater purpose (which would achieve the greater good).
To all you butthurt christians who downvoted me without argument, I will quote the bible
"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."
Matthew 10:37
Basically hes saying if you dont love him more than your mom and dad he will send you to hell, were every second of the rest of your existence will be never ending agony and suffering.
"Hell" is a term used to describe the figurative common grave for all mankind.
The idea of God to (God is the father Jesus is the son) torment disobedient humans is a false truth that has been taught by most Christians who have very little biblical understanding. Also they were under the influence of Satan.
This Scripture you are referring to if you study the rest of the Bible more. Jesus is saying that if you put anyone else before God or give worship that rightfully belongs to God you are not worthy of a place in paradise.
Yes we all love our sons, daughters, mothers, fathers a lot, but you should never place them above God.
If you do however, decide to follow God you will see that nothing that God requires you to do is painful.
So it is a win win situation for us. Not so much for God because as you can see you have fallen for a lie.
God is actually loving and caring more so than anyone can imagine.
At first it may sound strange, but it isn't after you think about it. Man sinned and fell short of God. we deserve nothing more than death, yet ... "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" John 3:16 We were damned because of our sin and we could do nothing to change it, but Jesus was sent as a scapegoat for humanity's sins. he took our sins to the cross and died for us. With that in mind, don't you think a man who died in a horrible way and brought you everlasting life through Him should deserve a little more respect than your parents who gave you life for 80 years or so? I love my parents unconditionally, but my love for Jesus Christ runs deeper because of what he sacrificed for an wicked sinner like me. to a non believer this will sound strange and absolutely crazy, but if you think deeply about this and try to fully grasp the concept of what he did, then you'll understand and completely agree with it.
I believe in the real Injeel (Arabic for Bible) that is now in the possession of Jesus peace be upon him. And I believe that the old testament has been falsified by the jews during the time of Jesus. The reason was to regain control of their religious authority.
And the Quran clearly states:
It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is. Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: therefore serve Him; this is the Straight Way. [The Holy Qur'an, Surah 19:35-36]
The Messiah will reappear along with the 12th descendant of prophet Mohammed God bless their souls, and another prophet named khidr peace be upon him.
So you believe that the Old Testament is trustworthy at some points but not at other points? And you believe this because you think that the Jews falsified the Old Testament during the time of Jesus? So why do you not think that the Quran has been falsified? Why do you think the Jews falsified the Old Testament in favor of Jesus, when the Jews hated Jesus?
The holy books Torah, Bible, and Quran all carry the same idea, but different in details.
God has promised in the holy verse in the Quran:" We have, without doubt, sent down the message; and we will assuredly guard it (from corruption)"
Ever since, many have tried to falsify the Quran, but it was deeply engrained in the minds of muslims, and no one has ever been successful in doing that.
God has also stated in the holy Quran: "And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ."
All knowledge about the details is in the possession of God. Our role is to fond the common Ground and Unity Among each other.
Common ground with Christianity:
Isa is the son of a virgin named Maryam (“Mary” in English), who is a role model for the faithful women.[38] Isa is a prophet filled with the Holy Spirit (surat 2 Al-Baqarah, 87) and the messiah in both religions (but the Christians add that besides having a human nature, he would be God too, which the Quran clearly denies). Isa is the “word of truth” (surat 19 Maryam, 34). Isa, through God’s power and will, cures the blind and the leper, raises the dead to life and know what is hidden in the hearts (surat 3 'Ali `Imran, 49). And Isa will come back at the end of times (Hadith 46.31).
Do you realize that the word Immanuel in that very chapter literally means "God is with us"? The prophecy of Isaiah 7 is that a virgin will give birth to God. The Messiah was God incarnate.
So you believe the verse that says the Messiah would be of a virgin birth, but you don't believe that the Messiah would be Immanuel? You do realize that they are literally in the same sentence, correct? In fact, it doesn't even speak of the "Messiah"; it only says this: "Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." You think they got everything in this sentence correct except for the ending? Why do you not throw the entire sentence out? This seems like an intense version of cherry-picking. How did you come up with the notion of this son being the Messiah? How did you come up with that, unless you applied the notion of Immanuel to it? You can't get around it; the Old Testament predicts Jesus, as the Son of God. Don't listen to the Quran, which was by one man, who did no works, had false prophesies, and raped people. Listen to the Son of God, who is testified for in the Old Testament, and the New Testament by multiple authors.
"It is the rather explicit teaching of the Quran that Muhammad performed no supernatural, verifiable miracles apart from the inspiration that he received. The Quran in several places emphatically negates the idea of Muhammad performing physical feats such as raising the dead, healing the sick, opening physically blind eyes etc. We present those citations here in order for our readers to see for themselves the Quran’s outright denial that Muhammad was able to perform the miraculous. All quotations taken from A.J. Arberry, unless noted otherwise:
And they that know not say, 'Why does God not speak to us? Why does a sign (ayatun) not come to us?' So spoke those before them as these men say; their hearts are much alike. Yet We have made clear the signs (bayyanna al-ayati) unto a people who are sure. S. 2:118
Yet if thou shouldst bring to those that have been given the Book every sign (ayatun), they will not follow thy direction; thou art not a follower of their direction, neither are they followers of one another's direction. If thou followest their caprices, after the knowledge that has come to thee, then thou wilt surely be among the evildoers. S. 2:145
They also say, 'Why has no sign (ayatun) been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Say: 'Surely God is able to send down a sign (ayatan), but most of them know not.' S. 6:37
They have sworn by God the most earnest oaths if a sign (ayatun) comes to them they will believe in it. Say: 'Signs (al-ayatu) are only with God.' What will make you realize that, when it comes, they will not believe? S. 6:109
They say, 'Why has a sign (ayatun) not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Say: 'The Unseen belongs only to God. Then watch and wait; I shall be with you watching and waiting.' S. 10:20
The unbelievers say, 'Why has a sign (ayatun) not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Thou art ONLY a warner, and a guide to every people. S. 13:7...
Then, it may be that you will give up part of what is revealed to you and your breast will become straightened by it because they say: Why has not a treasure been sent down upon him or an angel come with him? You are ONLY a warner; and Allah is custodian over all things. S. 11:12 Shakir...
The unbelievers say, 'Why has a sign (ayatun) not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Say: 'God leads astray whomsoever He will, and He guides to Him all who are penitent.' S. 13:27
Naught prevented Us from sending the signs (bial-ayati) but that the ancients cried lies to them; and We brought Thamood the She-camel visible, but they did her wrong. And We do not send the signs, except to frighten. S. 17:59
This highly elliptic sentence has a fundamental bearing on the purport of the Qur'an as a whole. In many places the Qur'an stresses the fact that the Prophet Muhammad, despite his being the last and greatest of God's apostles, WAS NOT EMPOWERED TO PERFORM MIRACLES similar to those with which the earlier prophets are said to have reinforced their verbal messages. His ONLY miracle was and is the Qur'an itself - a message perfect in its lucidity and ethical comprehensiveness, destined for all times and all stages of human development, addressed not merely to the feelings but also to the minds of men, open to everyone, whatever his race or social environment, and bound to remain unchanged forever… (Asad, Message of the Qur'an [Dar Al-Andalus Limited 3 Library Ramp, Gibraltar rpt. 1993], p. 427, fn. 71; online edition; capital and underline emphasis ours)...
Say: 'Have you considered your associates on whom you call, apart from God? Show me what they have created in the earth; or have they a partnership in the heavens?' Or have We given them a Book, so that they are upon a clear sign (bayyinatin) from it? Nay, but the evildoers promise one another naught but delusion. S. 35:40...
They say, 'Why does he not bring us a sign (ayatin) from his Lord?' Has there not come to them the clear sign (bayyinatu) of what is in the former scrolls? S. 20:133"
"A1. If a person speaks in the names of false gods, that person is a false prophet.
A2. Muhammad spoke in the names of false gods.
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A3. Therefore, Muhammad was a false prophet.
And We did not send before you any apostle or prophet, but when he desired, the Shaitan made a suggestion respecting his desire; but Allah annuls that which the Shaitan casts, then does Allah establish His communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise." (Surah 22:52)[9]
Whatever we think of the preposterous Qur’anic explanation of the Satanic Verses (and its defense of Muhammad), it is clear that the Prophet of Islam, on at least one occasion, delivered a message that did not come from God. It is also clear that Muhammad, on at least one occasion, spoke in the names of false gods.[10] Thus, we can establish from Muslim sources that A2 and B2 are almost certainly true."
The Roman Empire has been defeated - in a land close by: But they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious - within a few years.
As the prophecy stated the Byzantines did become victorious over the Persians who had at first defeated them. Yet there are fundamental problems with this alleged prophecy:
According to Yusuf Ali the Arabic word for "a few years," Bidh'un, signifies a period of three to nine years; yet according to the historical records the victory did not come until nearly fourteen years later. The Persians defeated the Byzantines and captured Jerusalem at about A.D. 614 or 615. The Byzantine counter-offensive did not begin until A.D. 622 and the victory was not complete until A.D. 628, making it a period between thirteen to fourteen years, not "a few years" alluded to in the Quran...
Muhammad allegedly claimed that the Antichrist (called the Dajjal) was to appear shortly after the Muslim conquest of Constantinople. The following traditions are taken from the Sunan Abu Dawud:
Book 37, Number 4281:
Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal:
The Prophet (peacebeuponhim) said: The flourishing state of Jerusalem will be when Yathrib is in ruins, the ruined state of Yathrib will be when the great war comes, the outbreak of the great war will be at the conquest of Constantinople and the conquest of Constantinople when the Dajjal (Antichrist) comes forth. He (the Prophet) struck his thigh or his shoulder with his hand and said: This is as true as you are here or as you are sitting (meaning Mu'adh ibn Jabal).
Book 37, Number 4282:
Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal:
The Prophet (peacebeuponhim) said: The greatest war, the conquest of Constantinople and the coming forth of the Dajjal (Antichrist) will take place within a period of seven months.
Book 37, Number 4283:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Busr:
The Prophet (peacebeuponhim) said: The time between the great war and the conquest of the city (Constantinople) will be six years, and the Dajjal (Antichrist) will come forth in the seventh.
Accordingly, Muslims conquered Jerusalem in 636 AD. Constantinople was taken over by Muslims in May 1453 AD. Yet the prophecy regarding Yathrib (Medina) being in ruins and Antichrist's advent to take place seven months after the conquest of Constantinople did not materialize. Based on the preceding traditions Antichrist was to appear in November 1453."
"“In my novel, I have chosen to directly face the controversy over Aisha’s age by using the most contentious account, that she was nine at the time she consummated her wedding. The reason I have done this is to show that it is foolish to project modern values on another time and world. In a desert environment where life expectancy was extremely low, early marriage was not a social issue—it was a matter of survival.”
Dude... Are you serious?? Prophet Mohammed..Rapist?? Islam.. Filled with Satan?? wow.. I can't believe people still believe this nonsense!
Dude why do you refer to such sources? This is all nonsense. It is pure propaganda and if it is not made by the most uneducated people who have no clue what Islam is, it is clearly made by bigots and Islamophobes whose main goal is to divide people and just give a completely false idea about Islam, and it is usually because of this ridiculous fear that Islam will "rule the world"...
And by the way, you said "You should really look into your own religion".. Why don't you hear what WE have to say about our own religion? Why don't you refer to Muslim sources rather than those you referred to? That's what people normally do unfortunately..Everything false and bad, they believe, but no room for anything good.. no room for explanation.. and that is pure ignorance...
Ok, you had the time to read all this. Would you care to know about Islam now? Do you want to know about the Prophet of Islam? Watch this video. (and there's plenty more where that came from, but it depends how much you want to know) This is what we are. This is how we think. That is our role model. Peace.
You do realize that many of the quotes I gave to you are literal quotes from Islamic works, such as the Quran, correct? Not only the Quran itself, but commentaries on Islam as well. Islamic scholars back these things that I have said up. One of my sources was from a Muslim.
This is what we are. This is how we think. That is our role model. Peace.
Islam is not a religion of peace. It is a religion of violence. The Law of Abrogation nullifies the former peacefulness of Islam, making is violent.
Open my heart to Islam? I will never do such a thing. And even if I did, it wouldn't matter, since Islam requires me to be perfect in my works, which no one is. Islam is a false religion that claims the sun to descend into a pit of mud.
I am not trying to convert you. That is not my job.
And no one is required to be perfect:
Allah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity. It will have [the consequence of] what [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] what [evil] it has earned. “Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred. Our Lord, and lay not upon us a burden like that which You laid upon those before us. Our Lord, and burden us not with that which we have no ability to bear. And pardon us; and forgive us; and have mercy upon us. You are our protector, so give us victory over the disbelieving people.” Al Baqarah 286
And please tell me more about the pit of mud I do not know what that is.
Because the Messiah all over the Old Testament was said to be God, for one. He was also said to be the one to take everyone's sins away, which can only be God, since everyone sins. The Messiah can only be God, logically and Biblically.
Yet the Old Testament says multiple times that God is multiple, within Himself. Turn to the very first chapter of the Bible. It says "Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image...'" The Abrahamic God is and can only be Jesus, the Son, with the Father, and the Spirit. Islam is a false religion that, as Islam even admits, has come from the devil in parts.
The Messiah will be born to a young woman, and scholars agree that most young women are virgins, is significantly different than - the Messiah will be born to a virgin.
most Hebrew scholars
Is there a poll of Hebrew scholars you would like to reference?
There is certainly no concensus that the word means virgin. The tranlators of the Septuigent themselves used different greek words in different verses - parthenos (greek for virgin) for 2 instances of almah, and neanis (greek for young woman) in 6 other instances. Can a prophecy be made through translation?
Have you been taught by Parfit or Feldman? You are not restating what I have said. I never said that the word literally mean virgin. I never said that most scholars agree that virgins are young women. I said that the contextual implication of the word across Hebrew is that of the woman being a virgin. For example, when one says "Betrothed," it does not simply mean one who is to be married. It has many other connotations to it, in the language of the time. The word you are referring to has that very same connotation and context to it, which is implicit in it, which most Hebrew scholars agree is there.
Uhh... have you ever thought that maybe he was just a zealot? The Romans were most likely afraid of a revolt, led by Jesus.
Have you ever heard of Bar Kokhba? He was a Jew who actually did lead a revolt against the Roman empire and what's surprising about him is that many considered him to be the messiah. His rebellion began in 132 C.E., about a hundred years after Christ.
I think you're missing the point. People considered him to be the messiah a hundred years after Christ... and the argument you just made regarding his failure as proof that he was a liar, is one of the reasons why Jews don't accept Jesus as the messiah.
First of all there are no Scripture validation that this guy was the Messiah. There is however, Scripture mention of a group of people like him in Matthew 24:24 " For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect."
So this guy was an antichrist. He gained followers, but the true followers of Christ knew better.
Jesus however, has Scripture validation of his identity.
I am sorry, but this will be my last post about this because I realize I am way off course with the original topic.
I don't think we need role models who tell people to kill their children. Srom, if you have children, are going to take your role model's advice and kill them?
I also don't think we need role models who not only advocate slavery, but command slaves to obey their masters even if they are cruel.
You know what? We probably don't need role models who tell you to hate your family and love them.
The more I think about it, the more it seems Jesus was a big piece of shit who should have stayed dead, not a role model.
I'm not necessarily of an opponent of filicide, I'm a utilitarian.
What disqualifies someone as a role model is someone who carries about intentions that if practiced by others will lead to a lowering or sub-optimal level of happiness in society.
I'm not necessarily of an opponent of filicide, I'm a utilitarian.
What disqualifies someone as a role model is someone who carries about intentions that if practiced by others will lead to a lowering or sub-optimal level of happiness in society.
That looks like something a schizophrenic Sam Harris would say.
That looks like something a schizophrenic Sam Harris would say.
>Looks like something
>would say
>say
Work on your insults m8
I wasn't actually trying to insult you, but you're right of course; what you wrote looks like something a schizophrenic Sam Harris would write, not something a schizophrenic Sam Harris would say.
So, you are saying your children do not Honor you? This is the scripture you posted:
Matthew 15:1-9
English Standard Version (ESV)
Traditions and Commandments
15 Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat.” 3 He answered them, “And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ 5 But you say, ‘If anyone tells his father or his mother, “What you would have gained from me is given to God,”[a] 6 he need not honor his father.’ So for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word[b] of God. 7 You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said:
So, you are saying your children do not Honor you? This is the scripture you posted:
Matthew 15:1-9
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just don't understand the scripture instead of assuming your objection to my argument indicates you side with Jesus when it comes to filicide.
If you study the Bible a bit more Jesus was not calling for the stoning of children.
Jesus was exposing the priests' hyprocrisy.
ot requesting an execution.
Jesus was quoting the original law of the Israelites. This law also does not literally mean the execution of children it teaches that if a child insults their parents a strict punishment must be given to them.
The priests deviled this law by changing it to add wiggle room. So instead of children learning from their evil acts the parents were to just let them go.
Jesus and God are never for pro death. This was not God's original plan.
Jesus was quoting the original law of the Israelites. This law also does not literally mean the execution of children it teaches that if a child insults their parents a strict punishment must be given to them.
Oh so Exodus 21:17- Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death
really means anyone who dishonours their parents must be given ice cream and be taken to Disneyland. Thank goodness for apologists like yourself to set us all straight on how to read the Bible.
Well clearly, you do not understand what I have written or typed very well.
Your argument is invalid.
Help me understand. You're claiming God (and later God in the form of Jesus) didn't say that children who dishonour their parents must be put to death?
Jesus Christ was quoting the original law God set in order for he Israelite community to flourish, not diminish. Now keep in mind Jesus did not come to earth as a human yet therefore, the door to everlasting life for humans was closed. No human was forgiven from God before Jesus' time. Most of the population of the Earth were very wicked. They worshipped idols, communicated with demons, murdered, and many other atrocities.
The law that stated those who dishonor their parents must die. This was a must because children of pagans would insult their parents.
Now of course the Israelites did not want to put their own flesh and blood to death. So they made God's teachings of life priority.As a result no one of God's chosen people ever disobeyed the law during the life of a prophet.
The law was given during Moses' time.
Now back to Jesus' time. The priests in the previous verses were accusing Jesus and his apostles of sinning by not washing (as a ceremonial act) before eating.
Jesus in turn rebuked the priests by saying they corrupt the laws of God for their own benefit. The priests changed the original law. So whenever a child dishonors their parents they are to make a donation to the church and seeminly pray long, unnecessary, vain prayers.
I have never said that Jesus is God or another form. Jesus is simply a creation of God. His first creation.
Whatever. Your belief or lack there of in the holy trinity is insignificant to my point, which was that God, and later Jesus (whatever Jesus means to you) said that children who dishonour their parents must be put to death. Now that you've come around and admitted it's true, my work here is done.
If Jesus was a good role model, or even existed, no one is really following his example. And for good reason.
In the book of Mathew, Jesus rails against wealthy people and told his followers to give up all of their worldly possessions and follow him. Charles Manson, Jim Jones and David Koresh did the same thing. And then raped and killed and tortured their subjects because they were dumb enough to follow their advice. If we all gave up our worldly possessions and owned nothing, this economy would hit rock bottom, everything would rot and their would be stinky homeless people everywhere, dying of hunger. What an idiotic thing to do. I'm sorry, I'm sure "heaven" as it were is this awesome place where you're just constantly tripping on the psychedelic cosmos and you can fly everywhere, but here on earth and in reality, we live in a material world. I like nice cars, flat screen TV's and hot women. I get the spiritual value of all that religious crap is really important to most people, but I find it hard to believe that if you make tons of money and give tons of it to charity and treat yourself to some fast vehicles, some fine wine and Ben & Jerry's new flavor ice cream that you're going to hell in a hand basket. That's just ridiculous. I mean, look at the Vatican for Christ's sake! (Pun intended.)
I find humor in the phrase "What Would Jesus Do?" because Jesus got his ass nailed to a huge wooden cross with nails the size of railroad spikes. So, no, probably not a good role model. And why did he feel that was necessary to absolve my sins again if we're all still a bunch of sinners? Ridiculous premise in every way.
Hell No! He beats up honest business men, he is always drinking wine, he lets a known whore wash his feet with her tears and then dries them with her hair(I bet he had a super hard on!),he clearly states that you must hate your family to join him and the list goes on an on! There should be a terrorist poster with his picture on it!