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Debate Score:146
Arguments:115
Total Votes:174
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Is Jesus Christ a good role model?

Yes

Side Score: 69
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No

Side Score: 77
6 points

Yes, because of what He taught to everyone and the world would be a better place if more people followed His teachings.

Side: Yes
Thejackster(518) Disputed
4 points

These teachings?:

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48)

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34)

Side: No
Srom(12206) Disputed
2 points

Context is the key to Jesus' words. In Matthew 10:34, Jesus is speaking about the divisions that will come, even among family members, over their belief or lack of belief about Him. In that respect, He has come to bring division. This context is also related in Luke 12:51.

This is my source.

Side: Yes

It seems Srom's tactic is to ignore any argument that pins him down.

Side: No
1 point

I don't understand believing a teaching that there is an invisible, undetectable being in the sky who created everything and controls everything would make you a better person.

Side: No
Srom(12206) Disputed
4 points

He wasn't invisible when He was on this earth. He made it clear that He was alive when He was on this earth through multiple sources. He does makes you a better person because you don't do what you used to do anymore and you are changed person through Christ.

Side: Yes
AliKh(46) Disputed
1 point

So how do you reinforce justice and morals if let's say the Government goes bankrupt and there is no budget to spend on police? Crime rates would be sky high.

But when a person knows that God is watching, he might not be all good, but there will be some sort of phobia created to ban him from doing criminal acts.

This is a reply to this specific argument that knowing that God is watching will let people be better people.

Side: Yes
AliKh(46) Disputed
1 point

So how do you reinforce justice and morals if let's say the Government goes bankrupt and there is no budget to spend on police? Crime rates would be sky high.

But when a person knows that God is watching, he might not be all good, but there will be some sort of phobia created to ban him from doing criminal acts.

This is a reply to this specific argument that knowing that God is watching will let people be better people.

Side: Yes
3 points

Absolutely YES, especially when you consider the ear-ey alternative.

Side: Yes
3 points

By what records we have, should he have existed, he was a great public speaker and influenced many people.

Side: Yes
countchrist(3) Disputed
2 points

So was Hitler. Being a great public speaker doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you're a good role model. Stephen Hawking - not such a great public speaker because it's hard to listen to Teletype for 3 hours. However, if any of my children would pick him as a role model (astrophysicist), then I'd say that's a pretty darn good choice compared to a self righteous liberal hippy.

Side: No
Elvira(3446) Clarified
1 point

Anybody successful can be taken as a good role model. Hitler was not successful as his prejudices and rushed strategies brought him down pretty quickly. If someone is corrupt, they cannot be successful as they have already lost their principles. Anything wrong with self-righteous liberal hippies?

Side: Yes
3 points

Did Jesus try to make the world a better place for everyone? Yes

Is he a good example of how one person can change the world? Yes.

Should we follow his example of doing everything in our power to make the world better for everyone? Well obviously.

Does that mean that we have to preach that there's an evil force in all of mankind because a rib-woman that didn't know right from wrong discovered right from wrong by eating an illegal fruit that God created for no reason? No that's insane.

Side: Yes

Yes, because I look up to all hippies.

Side: Yes
1 point

Christians like to claim ownership of Christ. But the veneration of Jesus by Muslims began during the lifetime of the Prophet of Islam. Perhaps most telling is the story in the classical biographies of Muhammad, who, entering the city of Mecca in triumph in 630AD, proceeded at once to the Kaaba to cleanse the holy shrine of its idols. As he walked around, ordering the destruction of the pictures and statues of the 360 or so pagan deities, he came across a fresco on the wall depicting the Virgin and Child. He is said to have covered it reverently with his cloak and decreed that all other paintings be washed away except that one.

Jesus, or Isa is referred to by name in as many as 25 different verses of the Quran and six times with the title of "Messiah" (or "Christ", depending on which Quranic translation is being used). He is also referred to as the "Messenger" and the "Prophet" but, perhaps above all else, as the "Word" and the "Spirit" of God. No other prophet in the Quran, not even Muhammad, is given this particular honour. In fact, among the 124,000 prophets said to be recognised by Islam - a figure that includes all of the Jewish prophets of the Old Testament - Jesus is considered second only to Muhammad, and is believed to be the precursor to the Prophet of Islam.

Supporting Evidence: Jesus in Islam (www.newstatesman.com)
Side: Yes
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

Jesus, or Isa, as he is known in Arabic, is deemed by Islam to be a Muslim prophet rather than the Son of God, or God incarnate. He is referred to by name in as many as 25 different verses of the Quran and six times with the title of "Messiah" (or "Christ", depending on which Quranic translation is being used).

The Old Testament said that the Messiah would be the Son of God. Jesus is the Messiah in Islam. Therefore, in Islam, Jesus is the Son of God.

Jesus is considered second only to Muhammad, and is believed to be the precursor to the Prophet of Islam.

The Old Testament leads up to the coming of the Messiah. Why would the Messiah come and not be the greatest of all the prophets?

Side: No
AliKh(46) Clarified
1 point

I believe in the real Injeel (Arabic for Bible) that is now in the possession of Jesus peace be upon him. And I believe that the testament and the Bible has been falsified by the jews during the time of Jesus. The reason was to regain control of their religious authority.

And the Quran clearly states:

It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is. Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: therefore serve Him; this is the Straight Way. [The Holy Qur'an, Surah 19:35-36]

Side: Yes
AliKh(46) Clarified
1 point

Both religeons (Christianity and Islam) look at jesus as a holy role model.

Don't forget to correct the side you are supporting in the previous argument. ( it states that NO).

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes (assuming that he did exist) .

Side: Yes
1 point

That would depend on what you define a good role model as.

If you mean in a christian stance then he is a perfect role model because the whole idea is to be "christ-like"

If you mean in a moral sense then its relative, unless you decide there is a good to give objective morality to the situation. And that would also be unhelpful because that would not tell us what morals are objective, unless you believe that christ was God which is circular and needs you to believe the premise (that Jesus was a good role model).

Thus the only defensible position to take is that he is structurally neccesary to christianity as a role model, and is good in that sense.

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes, if you look at the stories of Jesus, he was a good role model. He helped and loved everyone. He never turned a person away-not even prostitutes or criminals. He believed in feeding everyone. From a WWJD website: 1)He embraced the outcasts--Jesus demonstrated the love of God by accepting the castaways of society. This provoked great disdain from the religious establishment. But Jesus was much less squeamish than most about embracing the sinful and sickly, the unseemly and unimportant. 2)He restored broken lives--Jesus provided for people's physical and financial needs (Matt. 14:14-21-21, 17:27). He cast out demons (Luke 4:36), healed broken bodies (Luke 5:17), raised the dead (John 11:1-44), and forgave the sins of the guilty (Matt. 9:6).

Side: Yes

Jesus Christ is the best role model because he imitated his Father so perfectly.

Jesus was never greedy. Isn't that what we tell our children to never be?

Jesus spoke the truth. Isn't that what we tell our children to do?

Jesus respected and loved his earthly parents. Isn't that what we want from our children?

Jesus loved and was kind to everyone. Isn't that the kind of people we want our children to be?

Jesus never caused pain or suffering. Isn't that what we want our children to do?

Jesus always gave. isn't that what we want our children to do?

Jesus was described as poor, and uneducated.

Yet he understood the Scriptures better than the High Priests and gained large numbers of followers whom he fed and took care of.

He wasn't crucified for nothing. The authority of those days felt threatened of Jesus becuase he exposes the hyprocrisy and evil within them.

Side: Yes
1 point

He's taught us to be compassionate, stand up for what is just no matter what and to really look deep beyond the surface on things.

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes, what he taught to everyone that the world could become a great place if everyone followed his teaching.

Side: Yes

When He told to turn the other cheek when someone strikes at you, He is the perfect role model for peace.

Side: Yes
5 points

Sure... if ya wanna end up nailed to a cross one day.

Side: No
TheMuddyFox(3) Disputed
1 point

I consider the willingness to die for the greater good to be a good quality.

Granted, dying needlessly is stupid, so it should be avoided. Jesus himself demonstrates his hesitation to die in Luke 22:42, also implying that there was no other way for him to achieve God's greater purpose (which would achieve the greater good).

Side: Yes
3 points

"Love me more than anything else or I will burn you!"

Such a great role model.......

Side: No
4 points

To all you butthurt christians who downvoted me without argument, I will quote the bible

"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

Matthew 10:37

Basically hes saying if you dont love him more than your mom and dad he will send you to hell, were every second of the rest of your existence will be never ending agony and suffering.

Side: No
michael95113(27) Disputed
1 point

"Hell" is a term used to describe the figurative common grave for all mankind.

The idea of God to (God is the father Jesus is the son) torment disobedient humans is a false truth that has been taught by most Christians who have very little biblical understanding. Also they were under the influence of Satan.

This Scripture you are referring to if you study the rest of the Bible more. Jesus is saying that if you put anyone else before God or give worship that rightfully belongs to God you are not worthy of a place in paradise.

Yes we all love our sons, daughters, mothers, fathers a lot, but you should never place them above God.

If you do however, decide to follow God you will see that nothing that God requires you to do is painful.

So it is a win win situation for us. Not so much for God because as you can see you have fallen for a lie.

God is actually loving and caring more so than anyone can imagine.

Side: Yes
dragonmaster(66) Disputed
1 point

At first it may sound strange, but it isn't after you think about it. Man sinned and fell short of God. we deserve nothing more than death, yet ... "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" John 3:16 We were damned because of our sin and we could do nothing to change it, but Jesus was sent as a scapegoat for humanity's sins. he took our sins to the cross and died for us. With that in mind, don't you think a man who died in a horrible way and brought you everlasting life through Him should deserve a little more respect than your parents who gave you life for 80 years or so? I love my parents unconditionally, but my love for Jesus Christ runs deeper because of what he sacrificed for an wicked sinner like me. to a non believer this will sound strange and absolutely crazy, but if you think deeply about this and try to fully grasp the concept of what he did, then you'll understand and completely agree with it.

Side: Yes

My goodness, your argument literally made me laugh.... :)

Side: No
2 points

I don't agree with tricking everyone into thinking that you're the son of God, that's assuming he actually existed though.

Side: No
AliKh(46) Disputed
1 point

Despite the fact that Christians believe he is the son of God, Jesus is a role model in both religions (Christianity and Islam)

He also acts as the perfect role model to the entire humanity.

And I believe that soon he will return and create unity and peace among human beings.

Side: Yes
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
1 point

He's the sun of God? Who's the moon of God?

Jesus is alright and stuff. He's not as much of a dick as his "father" was in OT.

Side: No
michael95113(27) Disputed
1 point

Jesus made a lot of enemies many of which are high up the ranks of authority. He exposed them for who they truly are. As a result he was executed.

Why would he do that if he wasn't telling the truth. I am sure you wouldn't do it because you do not have any proof or divine authority. Am I right?

Side: Yes
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
1 point

Uhh... have you ever thought that maybe he was just a zealot? The Romans were most likely afraid of a revolt, led by Jesus.

Have you ever heard of Bar Kokhba? He was a Jew who actually did lead a revolt against the Roman empire and what's surprising about him is that many considered him to be the messiah. His rebellion began in 132 C.E., about a hundred years after Christ.

Side: No
2 points

No he's the offspring of crap, look at the story of job.... Exemplifies no role model we should follow.

Side: No
2 points

Homeless weirdo that hears voices...off course why not :D

Side: No

It is wrong to tell lies so no.

Side: No
SCgirl(2) Disputed
1 point

What do you mean telling lies? You need to explain your argument.

Side: Yes
1 point

He lied about being divine.

Side: No

I don't think we need role models who tell people to kill their children. Srom, if you have children, are going to take your role model's advice and kill them?

I also don't think we need role models who not only advocate slavery, but command slaves to obey their masters even if they are cruel.

You know what? We probably don't need role models who tell you to hate your family and love them.

The more I think about it, the more it seems Jesus was a big piece of shit who should have stayed dead, not a role model.

Side: No
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

Srom, if you have children, are going to take your role model's advice and kill them?

Why would He ask me to kill my child in the first place?

Side: Yes
3 points

Srom, if you have children, are going to take your role model's advice and kill them?

Why would He ask me to kill my child in the first place?

Matthew 15:1-9

Side: No
1 point

If Jesus was a good role model, or even existed, no one is really following his example. And for good reason.

In the book of Mathew, Jesus rails against wealthy people and told his followers to give up all of their worldly possessions and follow him. Charles Manson, Jim Jones and David Koresh did the same thing. And then raped and killed and tortured their subjects because they were dumb enough to follow their advice. If we all gave up our worldly possessions and owned nothing, this economy would hit rock bottom, everything would rot and their would be stinky homeless people everywhere, dying of hunger. What an idiotic thing to do. I'm sorry, I'm sure "heaven" as it were is this awesome place where you're just constantly tripping on the psychedelic cosmos and you can fly everywhere, but here on earth and in reality, we live in a material world. I like nice cars, flat screen TV's and hot women. I get the spiritual value of all that religious crap is really important to most people, but I find it hard to believe that if you make tons of money and give tons of it to charity and treat yourself to some fast vehicles, some fine wine and Ben & Jerry's new flavor ice cream that you're going to hell in a hand basket. That's just ridiculous. I mean, look at the Vatican for Christ's sake! (Pun intended.)

I find humor in the phrase "What Would Jesus Do?" because Jesus got his ass nailed to a huge wooden cross with nails the size of railroad spikes. So, no, probably not a good role model. And why did he feel that was necessary to absolve my sins again if we're all still a bunch of sinners? Ridiculous premise in every way.

Side: No
1 point

No, his teachings have too many paradoxes on war and the treatment of non believers.

Side: No
-1 points

Hell No! He beats up honest business men, he is always drinking wine, he lets a known whore wash his feet with her tears and then dries them with her hair(I bet he had a super hard on!),he clearly states that you must hate your family to join him and the list goes on an on! There should be a terrorist poster with his picture on it!

Side: No