This is the problem if the camp that opposes us refers only to the words which are made to be personal and not evidence for any thing, before any opposition respond, if any, read my whole posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

Your arguments are based on a book which is rather uncivilized and it is a book which is rather out of date actually almost totally. It is a book from a in thin air and fake holy God who got deceived by the thin air fake holy spirit to infect life-spirits so-that there would be an evil and a good race. Actually out of that thin air fake holy God discrimination came forth. If you already would believe that the text in that book: the Bible is actually trustworthy, really justification for humankind or really just is more discrimination and lot's of more pain through extra punishment. My dream is real morality, real fairness and treatment based on equality which is also most human habits are really a source for the human laws I nevertheless respect. Respect the human root.

Jesus told them, "My message is NOT MY OWN; it comes from God who sent me. [John 7:16]

For I (Jesus) have NOT spoken on MY OWN authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment - what to say and what to speak.

[John 12:49]

Jesus said that he is the messenger of God not the God.

Have we not all one Father? Did not one God create us? [Malachi 2:10]

I am (Jesus) returning to my Father and your Father,

to my God and your God. [John 20:17]

and we are all children of Adam! we are not children of God, but merely creations

Jesus cried and said, He that believes on me, believes NOT ON ME,

but in the One who sent me,. [John 12:44]

Clear distinction between Jesus and the God has been put by Jesus himself.

what is your quote from the Bible that tells you the hour????????

What time you are talking about? did he tell youor anyone any time?

srom: Jesus knows when the time is coming because Jesus is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

NZ: How can you say that when the Bible states something directly opposite.

When Jesus was on earth, he himself stated that he did not know "the day nor the hour" of the end of the world when his followers asked about it. The other poster quoted the scripture that proves this.

Further he stated, "Neither the angels in heaven nor the Son...but ONLY the Father knows."

Well, at this late date 2000 years later, with Jesus resurrected by God and given even more authority and power than he had before he came to earth, I'm sure the Father has apprised him of the "day and hour." He would have to at some point, since Jesus leads the destruction of all wickedness on earth.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

This subject has become crab to me, so I stop from this day on having arguments about this. Even stronger I am not going to say or write any more word about it. Today I chose to ignore anything what I can possibly ignore in relation with Jesus Christ. And to live my life.

Jesus gave up privileges as Jesus in heaven--a more powerful being than man. Jesus did not give up privileges as Almighty God to become man.

Just because the word "theos" is used of Jesus does not make Jesus Almighty God, since angels are also referred to as "theos."

God cannot die, yet Jesus died--therefore, Jesus cannot be God.

Jesus had to be resurrected by a force outside himself ("this Jesus God resurrected), just as any other man who dies has to be resurrected by a force outside himself in order to live again.

Shall I prove this?

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

So, how do you get that Jesus is God from the statement of "Son from the Father"?

That shows the separateness in the relationship of Jesus to his Father, expressed this way so that men can relate to them in human terms.

The Father always existed. Jesus did not, even tho he has existed for countless aeons beside the Father. This is another reason why Jesus is called God's Son--sons come into existence AFTER fathers do.

Jesus learned from the Father, taught only as the Father taught him. If Jesus were the same as the Father, he would not need to be taught anything or learn anything from the Father. He would already have it all.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

I wouldn't use the bible to make one believe. If they're interested enough then they will read it themselves.

A regular human being couldn't do that.

Agreed.

But one must wonder why so many christians believe they will when they die.

Yes Jesus died but He was in His earthly form. He came down to die for our sins.

What was the purpose of all this, exactly? Is this god sending a messenger to feed his ego further? Me thinks yes.

God is perfect

Wow. That is some claim.

The problem of evil, the problem if hell, the problem of perfect design, etc. all contradict that notion. But i'm sure you won't just make frivolous claims and not justify them-you would never do that.

and so was Jesus.

I thought only god could be perfect? And, as you said, Jesus was not a god when he was in earthly form. Ergo, Jesus must not have been perfect.

A regular human being couldn't do that.

Prove that Jesus did die, become resurrected, and join his father in heaven.

If we read Psalm chapter 51 verse 16 to 19 then we get that blood sacrifice is useless in the eye of lord !

"To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice." [Proverbs 21:3]

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

I am not spamming posts friend, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, the I get obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

I am not spamming posts friends, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, then I become obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

I am not spamming posts friend, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, the I get obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

I am not spamming posts friend, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, the I get obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

I am not spamming posts friend, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, the I get obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

I am not spamming posts friend, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, the I get obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

I am not spamming posts friend, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, the I get obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

I am not spamming posts friend, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, the I get obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

I am not spamming posts friends, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, then I become obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

I am not spamming posts friend, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, the I get obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

I am not spamming posts friend, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, the I get obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

I am not spamming posts friend, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, then I get obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

I am not spamming posts friends, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, then I become obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

And for John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2- the verse here doesn't prove the divinity of Jesus, but it proves his creation by the word " be and it is ".

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

Yes Jesus is God. There are many Bible verse that say that Jesus is God.

Let me give you some.

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one.”

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Yes Jesus is God. There are many Bible verse that say that Jesus is God.

Let me give you some.

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one.”

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace

this just proves my point you are spamming

so sorry you are wrong

I am not spamming posts friend, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, the I get obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

Yes Jesus is God. There are many Bible verse that say that Jesus is God.

Let me give you some.

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one.”

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Yes Jesus is God. There are many Bible verse that say that Jesus is God.

Let me give you some.

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one.”

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace

this just proves my point you are spamming

so sorry you are wrong

When answering the question "does the mind exist" it is very important to first understand what is meant by the word "mind". According to The Concise Oxford Dictionary, there are approximately nineteen different definitions given for the word "mind". To answer this question appropriately, I will be using one of the nineteen definitions that best suites the meaning that I have in mind. The definition that best suites is the sixth definition, which states that the mind is the "seat of consciousness, thought, volition, and feeling" (from The Concise Oxford Dictionary, 1984).

"Mind" is a word we use in many different ways, depending on the linguistic context. Like all other words, it is essential that it be used correctly according to the rules of language that are already set. So, according to the definition given above, does it follow that if consciousness, thought, volition, and feeling are all existent things then we can be sure that the mind exists as the "seat" of these things? Perhaps it does, but first we will approach the question from a scientific standpoint.

According to the modern philosophy of science, it is essential to provide empirical evidence for something to be considered real. Empirical evidence is considered to be tangible or publicly observable. This creates some difficulty in trying to determine the existence of the mind. We cannot touch the mind, nor can we see/observe it. So does this mean that according to science we should conclude that the mind does not exist because it cannot be touched or seen? This is certainly not the case. By looking deeper into the logic that relates to the concept of the mind, it is possible to find an explanation for the mind's existence, despite the fact that a mind cannot be touched or seen.

We can use the word "mind" in the same or similar way to the definition that was cited previously from the dictionary. If we do, then we are including with it all mentalistic phenomena. For instance, how could we use the term "mind" in this context without implying that such things as consciousness, thoughts, volition, feelings, and other mentalistic qualities do indeed exist? Thus, if we can prove that mental events are real then we will also know that the mind is real.

Let us consider the mentalistic concept of "pain". If a person takes a hammer and strikes another person's hand with the hammer, the person who was struck will most likely elicit a response. The person might yell out abruptly "ouch!" Perhaps after their exclamation, they might begin crying and rolling around on the floor. When they are rolling on the floor they might say to the person who struck them, "that really hurt me, and now I am experiencing so much pain!" By observing the responses of the individual who was struck, the person who struck them has logical and conceptual grounds for believing that this individual is indeed experiencing pain. The mentalistic concept of pain can be successfully applied to this context based on the situational factors that have occurred.

Now lets take the mentalistic concept of "thinking". If two people are sitting outside playing a game of chess, it is very easy to notice the way their eyes move about the board in a way that is related to the moves they make. Sometimes a player may begin to move a chess piece in one direction then quickly move the piece back to its original position. It would seem as though there is some sort of invisible process that is guiding their decisions, in which the chess player is the only one who is aware of what is happening during this process. In this scenario, there are logical and conceptual grounds to apply the concept of "thinking" to the chess players.

Using the concepts of "pain" and "thinking" as examples, we now know that there is a conceptual logic that permits the use of these words as referring to real events. If it is certain that mental events are indeed existent things, then it follows that there is also a conceptual logic that permits the use of the word "mind" as a "seat" of these mental events (just as given in the cited definition). Thus, by using conceptual logic based on the rules of language we know that both mental events and the mind do exist.

Yes Jesus is God. There are many Bible verse that say that Jesus is God.

Let me give you some.

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one.”

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace

this just proves my point you are spamming

so sorry you are wrong

Jesus never said worship me nor worship the Trinity.

he never had to because he is god people are already worshipping him

I am atheist i don't believe in the idea of god,the devil , and all ideas of a higher being putting humans on this earth. But if i had to argue the matter i would half to say jesus is not god.

A god. God, with capital- is a name ~ god, without capital means a deity.

They are arrogant, like humans are arrogant towards animals.

Er, no.

Before I go to sleep, I do not utter, "Dear me, please grant me a long and healthy life, and bless my mother,..." etc. I do not pray to myself, nor do I pray to "Rocky" (myself also).

I pray to God meaning the Almighty, I pray to the One who can make anything happen.