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Is Liberalism A Disease

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3 points

Liberalism is a mental disorder. So..., yes. ;)

Side: yes
Grenache(6053) Clarified
3 points

Luckily they can be turned conservative with a simple lobotomy. ...................................

Side: yes
2 points

LoL - I must have hit a nerve ;)

Side: yes
2 points

Why yes. In fact it's an internet virus. You're a goner. ...........................................................

Side: yes
1 point

Only a person who is ignorant of mental disorders could claim that a political philosophy constitutes an illness. It sounds un-American too.

Side: no
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According to Liberals, a person who CHOOSES to drink to much for a long period of time has an alcoholic disease. No, the person has a drinking problem because he drinks too much. If he chooses not to drink, he will 100% for sure never become an alcoholic.

Personal choices today are no longer deemed choices. They are called diseases, mistakes, results of childhood, neighborhood infuences, etc. etc.

When the Left became anti Christian bigots, they had to usher in a no fault culture whereby persosnal responsibility for one's choices in life are no longer your fault. They hate the notion that people have a choice between living moral lifestyles, or self love irresponsible lifestyles.

Did you notice how trump's talking tough on illegal immigration actually worked? Mexicans started making personal choices to not break into America, fearing the consequenses of their actions.

Liberalism is amoral, mindlessly deceptive and hypocritical, bigotted against Christian expression in our public, supporters of Big Government control, but it is not a disease.

Side: no
AveSatanas(4443) Disputed
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According to Liberals, a person who CHOOSES to drink to much for a long period of time has an alcoholic disease.

Actually no, according to DOCTORS who study addiction, when someone chooses to drink and eventually CANNOT choose to STOP drinking then they have alcohol dependency which is physical and psychological ADDICTION and needs medical treatment.

Liberals choose to LISTEN to doctors with years of education and experience with such topics. Conservatives choose to plug their ears to any and all scientific knowledge and ignorantly yell at people for not choosing to beat a disease. Which is akin to yelling at a person with cancer to excrete their tumor at will.

No, the person has a drinking problem because he drinks too much.

Oh hey we got a real Einstein over here.

If he chooses not to drink, he will 100% for sure never become an alcoholic.

So you want people to know that theyre going to become alcoholics in advance and then choose not to become alcoholics.

You really have no fucking clue how addiction works.

Personal choices today are no longer deemed choices. They are called diseases, mistakes, results of childhood, neighborhood infuences, etc. etc.

The point is its a CHOICE until its NOT a choice. Your retarded ass just assumes that because the first time someone drank was a choice, and the second time someone drank its a choice, that the 454th time they drink is ALSO a choice. What doctors and people with fucking experience in the area tell you is that NO at some point its no longer a CHOICE its a physical DEPENDENCE. Your body gets physically sick if you do not consume alcohol. You get mentally depressed if you do not consume alcohol. you get violent and angry and throw up if you do not consume alcohol.

THAT is what alcoholism is. THAT is different than someone who freely chooses to drink or not. Just because they had the ability to choose at some point doesnt mean we just ignore them when they develop, yes, a DISEASE. That word has a medical definition. Its a real thing. Just because you scoff at it like a dipshit doesnt mean it loses its meaning.

When the Left became anti Christian bigots,

Nevermind that 98% of democrats in office are christians. And 70% of the country is christian which would mean most democrats.

they had to usher in a no fault culture whereby persosnal responsibility for one's choices in life are no longer your fault.

Wrong. We just listened to scientists when they presented us with convincing data. We adjust our views to fit reality. You angrily yell at reality and tell it to conform to your views like some old man whos angry that he cant relate to his grandson.

How come your grandson doesnt want to listen to records and build model planes anymore? Because youre an old fuck who is completely out of touch with reality and modern times. And instead of learning and adjusting to whats new you just get bitter and complain about it.

They hate the notion that people have a choice between living moral lifestyles, or self love irresponsible lifestyles.

No we dont. You just define perfectly fine ways of life as "irresponsible" because youre entrenched in religious, psuedomoral bullshit.

Did you notice how trump's talking tough on illegal immigration actually worked? Mexicans started making personal choices to not break into America, fearing the consequenses of their actions.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! Thats fucking RICH. Thats absolutely rich.

Mexican immigration has been net declining for the past decade. Obama did MASS deportations which youll ignore because it goes against your narrative. The mexicans have been leaving for a long time. Conservatives are literally the only people who think mexican illegal immigration is actually a legitimate issue in america. It isnt. It very literally isnt.

And 30-40% of all illegal entries come on planes and overstay their visas. Which last i checked still happens regularly. Sure trump is ramping up deportation and border control, which will probably have a tangible effect on illegal immigration. But it will be a solution to a NON-PROBLEM. Youll have invented a problem and then solved it with billions of wasted dollars. Good job conservatives.

Liberalism is amoral,

Liberalism. the basic tenant of tolerance and equal rights, is amoral.

I can easily tell you have never set foot in a college level political science or american government course.

Hell, you probably didnt even pass high school civics.

mindlessly deceptive and hypocritical

Deceptive like saying were going to cover everyone with healthcare and then endorsing a bill that kicks 32 million off insurance? Or hypocritical like saying escalation in afghanistan is completely stupid and then sending 4000 more troops there?

bigotted against Christian expression in our public

70% of the country is christian. Keep crying bud.

Nobody cares if you put a cross on the town green, all liberals say is that if you can put up your cross then everyone else can put up their religious symbols too. That simple. Christians just get their panties in a knot because they dont only want expression, they want to be the only religion that can express themselves.

And no 10 commandments statues on STATE courthouses is not protected by the 1st amendment.

supporters of Big Government control

Conservatives spout about big and small government and then never back it up with anything else. Like were all just supposed to agree that big government = bad. Yet what if there was a government full of elected officials who were not corrupt and who all voted in the best interest of american citizens? That would be a great government.

So big vs small means absolutely fucking nothing.

It means absolutely nothing until you define what you mean by big or small and WHY its bad.

For example, in the new healthcare bill the republicans want to send decisions on preexisting conditions to the states. They want to allow each state to decide whether to mandate protection for preexisting conditions. They CLAIM that its to make government smaller and be pro-states rights. Which sounds wonderful. But in reality what that means is that every red state is going to not protect preexisting conditions and every blue state will protect them. So roughly half of all americans, the ones who live in red states, get fucked out of coverage for preexisting conditions all in the name of "small government" and "states rights".

Its a trick. its a sham. its bullshit. The republicans are in bed with the insurance companies and they know its good for the insurance companies if they can get rid of this protection. Doesnt matter that it fucks over the PEOPLE. As long as it helps their donors.

So you know what? in that instance i AM pro big government. if being pro-big government means the federal government uses its power to say "No, ALL insurance companies in the country will cover prexisting conditions because its better for the people' then im pro-big government and proud of it because id be a fucking idiot not to be.

but it is not a disease.

Bingo. Conservatism. Traditionalism. Blind faith. Faux-patriotism. Blind nationalism. These are the things that are truly cancerous to the country. These are the things that drag us backwards. We wonder why things dont improve when we have half the country whos political ideology is literally "go back to what we did before".

Side: yes
Chinaman(3570) Disputed
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Liberalism is an ideology dependency keep carrying the torch and the tumor manifests.

You just define perfectly fine ways of life as "irresponsible" because you're entrenched in the Liberal Manifesto.

Side: no
2 points

So you want people to know that theyre going to become alcoholics in advance and then choose not to become alcoholics.

You really have no fucking clue how addiction works

I don't know if he does, but I do. I went cold turkey off of pain killers (narcotics) after surgery. 7 days straight, didn't sleep one second, threw up for days, couldn't hardly stand etc from withdrawals. Never flinched. I call it manning up and doing what you've gotta do. A terminology that is foreign to liberals, I know.

Side: no
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Its a trick. its a sham. its bullshit. The republicans are in bed with the insurance companies and they know its good for the insurance companies if they can get rid of this protection. Doesnt matter that it fucks over the PEOPLE. As long as it helps their donors

You got your way. Remember? Obamacare went into affect. Premiums skyrocketed. People with insurance quit going to the doctor. People who didn't get insurance were penalized, and you didn't give a flying rat's ass because it was yours. Maybe next time you could just take a dump in a bucket, give us that, and dance like a jackass in celebration.

Let's check out this bucket. Hey look! It's Obamacare in a bucket! Wait a second. There's a peanut in there... wait...wait...there's corn in there too! What kind of insurance is this??? Can I keep my doctor? .......

Side: no
2 points

Blind nationalism. These are the things that are truly cancerous to the country

Almost every country on Earth and in human history is/was nationalist. There are more nationalists in China alone than liberals on planet Earth. The world thinks your clan is stupidity beyond the pale and laughs at you. Oddly enough, nationalist countries like Poland, China, Japan have no ISIS problem. Liberal countries? It'll only get worse, and is. It seems like there used to be a liberal country called Sweden. I hear it's now Swedenastan, the rape capital of Europe. Oh well. Our women being raped and our safety disappearing are just the price we have to pay to feel squishy inside about our cultural diversity with people commanded to kill us and destroy us, the infidels...

Side: no
2 points

So you know what? in that instance i AM pro big government

And you assume blindly what a big government would choose to do and who would control it, never imagining that it probably wouldn't do what you propose and at some point would be run by people with beliefs that aren't liberal. Venezuela anyone? Ah screw it. Let's just risk it. Surely these hypothetical big goverment reps will all be saints who just do "the right thing". Surely it would never manifest another Hitler with full social control.

Side: no
1 point

Liberals choose to LISTEN to doctors with years of education and experience with such topics

Really? Last I heard libs were claiming there are one...two...no..

Three...no...48 genders. Yes 48.

I wonder what number science would come up with....

Side: no
1 point

Actually no, according to DOCTORS who study addiction, when someone chooses to drink and eventually CANNOT choose to STOP drinking then they have alcohol dependency which is physical and psychological ADDICTION and needs medical treatment

Interesting. I stopped by choosing to with no medication. Maybe I'm a unicorn.

Side: no
1 point

Yet what if there was a government full of elected officials who were not corrupt and who all voted in the best interest of american citizens? That would be a great government

Speaking of blind faith being a cancer to a country...

Wouldn't it be great if unicorns appeared and flew us to the Emerald Palace?

Side: no
1 point

It means absolutely nothing until you define what you mean by big or small and WHY its bad

Big: to have more power.

Why it's bad: these idiots can't even get the DMV right or spend less than they take in, and they like to start "foundations" that are no different than organized mafias created to get rich at someone else's detriment. I wouldn't trust these clowns with a bucket of dried dog terds. You want to hand them the keys to your daughter's house. You have more faith than any Christian. Maybe we should study you to learn more about faith as strong as yours because it's absolutely amazing.

Side: no
1 point

But in reality what that means is that every red state is going to not protect preexisting conditions and every blue state will protect them

Now tell us which states good doctors will go to and which states will go broke because they thought the utopian fairytales were free.

What will be interesting will be watching those living in socialized states crossing into the red so they can get care some time this lifetime.

Side: no
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Traditionalism. Blind faith. Faux-patriotism. Blind nationalism. These are the things that are truly cancerous to the country

It seems like someone told us that it's all meaningless without telling us why and defining ambiguous words and terms. Maybe I imagined it...

Side: no
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These are the things that drag us backwards

Have you looked at liberal Europe? This is a dumpster fire on steroids. London is becoming a ghetto, the EU is crumbling, and immigration that is out of control is bankrupting these countries. What the hell is that? Progress? Looks like a regress to me.

Side: no
1 point

We wonder why things dont improve when we have half the country whos political ideology is literally "go back to what we did before

So...the policies and ideas that created the greatest nation in human history are bad, but watching our country die a slow miserable, liberal death like Europe? Gooooooood.... And why? Just cause Bronto. Just cause...

Side: no
1 point

70% of the country is christian

Wow. Most liberals don't get thisfar with their logic. 5 points for being the first non-Christian liberal that can admit it. Wait. I'm taking the points back because your other points reak.

Side: no
1 point

And instead of learning and adjusting to whats new you just get bitter and complain about it.

Or we see liberalism destroying and bankrupting countries and say, "no thanks. We're good."

Side: no
1 point

I can easily tell you have never set foot in a college level political science or american government course

Well, in my case my business degree paid off big time. Liberal Arts degrees are worth about... $50,000 in student debt and a crap job. But somehow it makes one a genius to have one and have said debt for eternity...

Side: no
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Liberalism. the basic tenant of tolerance and equal rights, is amoral

Yes. BLM, BAMN, and ANTIFA look "tolerant". Maybe looting rioting, fire bombing and killing police is what tolerance looks like. Let's ask a dictionary to be sure...

Side: no
1 point

Deceptive like saying were going to cover everyone with healthcare and then endorsing a bill that kicks 32 million off insurance

No. More like deceptive by saying 32 million will be "kicked off insurance" knowing fully well that there are about that 15 million who would opt out on their own if given a choice. But of course there's that fine even if you don't want insurance or to pay for it. And deceptive like not saying that with the premium spike caused by Obamacare, many people who have insurance but can't afford the doctor visits anyway now, don't go to the doctor, which is the same as having no insurance.

Side: no
1 point

Conservatives are literally the only people who think mexican illegal immigration is actually a legitimate issue in america. It isnt. It very literally isnt.

And 30-40% of all illegal entries come on planes and overstay their visas. Which last i checked still happens regularly

Contradictory statements aren't a good look for you. Maybe you should try a sweater...

Side: no
0 points

Many of the people that you call "liberals" are not actually liberal in the English sense, they are simply supporters of the liberal democrat political party. Classical liberalism includes the following values:

1) Individualism and judging people as individuals rather than exemplars of their group (racial or otherwise)

2) Civil liberties and civil rights (including freedom of speech and expression)

3) Equal treatment of all people regardless of sex, race, religion etc.

4) The rule of law and private property rights

5) Laissez-faire economic policy (with some restrictions)

6) Equality of opportunity as opposed to equality of outcome

This is the reason why western democracies are called liberal democracies.

Side: no