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Condemned to hell Not condemned
Debate Score:45
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Is Not Believing in the "right" God Enough to Condemn Someone to Hell?

Condemned to hell

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Not condemned

Side Score: 19
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Of course it is. A god can do whatever he wants to do and for any reason.

The question you still need to ask yourself, though, is why would you worship and kiss the ass of a cosmic bully who made you the way you are and then wants to boss you around about fairly petty things and then most likely will send you to hell no matter what you actually do and think? What sort of egotistical maniac needs you to spend every waking moment reminding him how awesome he is?

The answer you will eventually come to, if you're open and honest with yourself, is that this alleged threat of hell is not enough reason for you to believe in your god, at least not if taught in that way. Teaching instead that it's a kind and loving god who will be fair to you is indeed the only legitimate reason to want to follow a god.

Side: Condemned to hell
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The question you still need to ask yourself, though, is why would you worship and kiss the ass of a cosmic bully who made you the way you are and then wants to boss you around about fairly petty things and then most likely will send you to hell no matter what you actually do and think

You just described parenting and why to hate your parents. Shaky logic there.

Side: Not condemned
Grenache(6103) Disputed
1 point

Nope. I don't have to be a petty bully to my kids to raise good kids. Nor are parents who act that way good parents. .....................................................

Side: Condemned to hell
JustTruth(127) Disputed
1 point

The question he needs to ask himself is, who told him that God was in the Cosmos. And then why does he feel bullied and did his mom boss him around. Most issues that people have with God actually come from parental issues. Maybe he felt unloved.

Ironic, I had not read your small print response before I started.

Side: Condemned to hell
1 point

What sort of egotistical maniac needs you to spend every waking moment reminding him how awesome he is?

Jesus took the form of a servant, washed peoples' feet, hung out with the poor sinners, and died. Describing selflesness as egotistical is mindless. Actually reading religious texts helps in religious debates. Just a suggestion.

Side: Not condemned
1 point

Yep, I love the message of Jesus coming down to go through what we go through. And it's tied to that where we get the lessons of turn the other cheek, love your neighbor, etc.

Yet as Jesus was rounding his world and preaching he didn't say every step of the way get down and kiss my feet and make a human bridge for me to walk across that puddle because I'm god damn it and you will do this or I will hurt you forever.

Side: Not condemned
1 point

God was selfless through Jesus. He cojjld have givdn man the same fate of the 1/3 fallen angels. Man had chosen to obey himself and not God. Any parents knows that a child must obey, but then must grow up to choose obedience over rebellion

Side: Condemned to hell
1 point

The answer you will eventually come to, if you're open and honest with yourself, is that this alleged threat of hell

Define hell and who goes where using actual Bible verses and logic. Of course this is where most atheists dive out of the debate.

Side: Not condemned
1 point

True, I'll dive out there, too. Because it's just not worth it to me. I don't really buy the concept of hell, I think that just got thrown in a bunch of places so the early church leaders could scare simpler people into going along with them.

Side: Not condemned
1 point

Teaching instead that it's a kind and loving god who will be fair to you is indeed the only legitimate reason to want to follow a god.

You just described Jesus Christ, who Christians believe is God, and in finality, justified the faith of 2.6 billion Christians. Good enough.

Side: Not condemned
1 point

Yep, actually I have no problem at all with the Christians emphasizing kindness and love and compassion. My beef is with the ones saying all you have to do is believe the commands in a handful of verses and then you're saved no matter what, even if you treat everyone else like crap.

Side: Not condemned
1 point

God is justified. Seek and you shall find. Most people seek out drugs and find them. Finding God is easier. They can not by visiting all the big steeple buildings and talking to the men in robes or suits. They can look thought the tlws and find Bibles to read and learn more and seek to know.

Side: Condemned to hell
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

Here we go with another wild rant from a Leftist. You people never fail to perform with insanity. So a Muslim travel ban is put into place and what is the first thing you Leftist say it's a religious ban ! Can you ever be honest with your views or is it the daily narrative from MSM that holds your views ?

Side: Condemned to hell
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

"The question you still need to ask yourself, though, is why would you worship and kiss the ass of a cosmic bully"

Have you ever asked the above question of the Muslims you want to freely enter this country ?

"The answer you will eventually come to, if you're open and honest with yourself, is that this alleged threat of hell is not enough reason for you to believe in your god,"

Have you mentioned the above to the Muslims ?

Your confusion is classic of those on the Left !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Condemned to hell
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

Clear up the confusion you have about religion and i am going to give that opportunity.

A travel ban from terrorist countries which are Muslim countries sent the Left just spinning out because it was a religious ban not a travel ban. So do you support the religion of Muslims ?

Side: Condemned to hell
1 point

Your sin separates you from God and condemns you to eternal dying in Hell. Only God can save you, His name is Jesus who died for your sins and rose from the dead offering forgiveness to all who admit they are the ones who deserve to be crucified and burn in Hell forever, and who believe on Jesus who died for their sins and conquered death willing and able to forgive all who ask God the Father in the name of Jesus, God the Son, to forgive them and be their Savior.

Receive Him by faith as your Savior and you will have eternal life. Reject God who died for you, and you will die for your own sins unable to pay them off in the fire of Hell.

Side: Condemned to hell
Nathanduclos(43) Disputed
1 point

Hello again. ITs me. Pointing out contractions an logical fallacies that invalidate arguments. As I’m off work today, i thought i would post a few things.

p1 you claim - Your sin separates you from God and condemns you to eternal dying in Hell.

P1.1 my response. If god is everywhere, are you saying i have the power to overcome your god and separate from him?

P1.2 my response. If is everywhere how can god not be in hell along with all the sinners? Just saying

p2 your claim - Only God can save you, His name is Jesus who died for your sins and rose from the dead offering forgiveness to all who admit they are the ones who deserve to be crucified and burn in Hell forever, and who believe on Jesus who died for their sins and conquered death willing and able to forgive all who ask God the Father in the name of Jesus, God the Son, to forgive them and be their Savior.

P2.1 my response. Run on sentence.

P2.2 my response. If god put me in danger from creating the rules by which i go to hell, then doesn't given me rational or reasonable expectation to make a choice to avoid hell, and made the world i exist where i am going to hell, he's not saving me from hell, he’s acting like a mob boss.

P2.3 my response. Jesus didn't die. He hung around around on a cross for 2 days, a lot of people have suffered more, and if he gets to go to heaven to hang out with the guy who impregnated his mother without permission (aka rape) how is that a sacrifice.

P2.4 my response.

p3 - you claim - Receive Him by faith as your Savior and you will have eternal life.

P3.1 my response - Faith is not a pathway to truth or accuracy. I can believe anything on faith, like you’re a fish or Allah is real and your god is not. Faith is the excuses people given when they lack evidence. And if you can claim i believe anything on faith, how can any reasonable and rational individual use it as a means to get to anything meaningful.

p4 - you claim - Reject God who died for you, and you will die for your own sins unable to pay them off in the fire of Hell.

P4.1 dude. Why do you want people who don’t believe what you believe to suffer? It’s not very nice, reasonable or rational to wish an eternity of suffering on another. That’s kind of sick and says more about your insecurity then my supposed absurdity. And why would you stand with anyone or thing that would see mob style hide and go seek morality as good.

peter 3:15 - remember your supposed to offer proof for your faith and reason and do so in a nice way.

Side: Not condemned
NowASaint(1389) Clarified
1 point

Are you a sodomite ?

Side: Condemned to hell

Hindus worship demons. Their claim. Muhammed got his revelation from a demon. His words. Both practice blood rituals by cutting themselves with hooks and knives. Both cut their children. Buddhism isn't theistic. There's your choices of gods. Now look at Christ. See the difference? If you can't figure that one out, that's on you.

Tell God you couldn't choose between Muhammad the psychopathic pedophile, Kali Ma, and Jesus Christ. See that's a good excuse...

God has made it simple for today's world. All it takes is ten minutes of research.

Side: Condemned to hell
1 point

Whatever God says is what defines right and wrong. If God says dissent is condemnable by damnation, then it's right.

Side: Condemned to hell
2 points

There is no "right" god. There is no Wrong god. There is no hell, there is no heaven. There is LIFE, there is DEATH. We should make the most of the life. We should quit destroying life to defend gods that don't exist! Millions of minds, some of which may have contained cures for diseases, feats of engineering we've never imagined, solutions to problems we face every day have been ended trying to prove just who is "right". But, we insist on following "gods word" as some guys have imagined it in books or scrolls. No "author" ever shows up to say "That other entity is phony! THIS is the way I want it!" No, we just listen to the "learned" guys (or gals), behind the stands that have been TAUGHT by other "learned ones", and keep on fighting about which is the REAL god. WE are our own "god", WE control our destiny if we don't allow anyone to "control" us. WE are here for our time, I don't think we should waste our time in the universe worrying about WHO created it, we should do our best to get the most out of it.

Side: Not condemned
JustTruth(127) Disputed
1 point

There is a right God and a wrong god. Just like there is up and down, right and left, and right and wrong. All the days of our life we make choices. Some right and some wrong,and there are rewards and consequences.

Side: Condemned to hell
Nathanduclos(43) Clarified
1 point

can you tell me how i can tell the right god vs the wrong god in a way that someone defended the wrong god would not use?

aka can you give me a defense of your position in a way that isn't representative of another religion.

Side: Condemned to hell
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

Crazy AL you got the wild rant going on. Amazing to watch you people in action quite entertaining if i may say so. But let's get to reality AL after your twisted rant you are not a religious guy but why is it that when an imposed ban on Muslims from terrorist nations you Leftist go to screaming it's a religious ban ? One day to the next you Leftist don't know where to stand !

Side: Condemned to hell
AlofRI(3159) Clarified
1 point

You are right. I'm not a religious guy. I AM an American that believes in the Constitution, and not just the Second Amendment. The Freedom of Religion that you don't believe in (unless it fits your fancy), is just one of the other parts. You can't pick and choose your "favorite parts" You have to accept it ALL, until a part gets changed. Cheer up. The Koch Bros. are trying to change a lot of it. Maybe the parts you don't like will get changed. Maybe they'll name the country "The United Billionaires of America" when they get done, It certainly wont be the same country, and it'll never be great again. Likely, unless you are a billionaire, you wont like it THEN either.

I'd like to know. What separates a "Muslim" ban from a "religious " ban when it's being done to protect white, Christian Americans from the Islamic bogyman, hmmmm??

Side: Condemned to hell
1 point

No "author" ever shows up to say "That other entity is phony!

Hindus practice blood rituals where they cut themselves until blood gushes and cutting children with knives. So do Muslims. Buddhism isn't theistic. There's what's left of your choices. Knowing religious concepts can prevent looking like a clown. Try it some time.

Side: Condemned to hell
AlofRI(3159) Clarified
1 point

Following religious concepts can have the same result...........................

Side: Condemned to hell
JustTruth(127) Disputed
0 points

You are given enough jnformation to make the right decision. You just ignore that information. Jesus is the right information. You claim that you do not have enough information, but you need little to none to believe the universe is 13.8 billion years old and that humans evolved from worms and rats.

If I told you that Columbus never arrived on any continent in 1492, you have three options. Ignore me and call it a crock. Agree right me and do no research. Or. Research and discover that I am right.

Side: Condemned to hell
1 point

There is no reason to believe any of that, of course. I'd rather not even play a wager on that.

What's the research you seem so confident about, though?

Side: Not condemned

Why the Atheist argument "Which god do I pick" is a poor argument-

http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Why Theatheistargumenttherearesomanygodstopickfromis_weak

Side: Not condemned
1 point

Well, I guess the question is, who is to decide who the "right" God is? Christians will say it's theirs, anyone who practices another religion will say that it's theirs as well. I guess it will depend on the God.

Side: Not condemned

Its not moral or ethical to punish someone for eternity for a finite crime. Its a violation of moral and ethical justice.

Side: Not condemned