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Is President Obama just an opportunist
Is President Obama just an opportunist who road a wave of popular discontent ( among the masses) into office by "selling" them false hope in the same way any other business sells their merchandise i.e. PR, propaganda,media and advertising.
His campign was voted the best business model of the year, all other companies, corporations and conglomerates bowed down to his effective manipulation of the american people. Many beleived he would usher in a entirely new era in american politics, but what is more likely, obama is some kind of saviour or hes a war mongering elitist who serves the priveleged few in american society, just like every american president since WW2
I'm talkin about the motivation behind his campaign, he never had any intention of really changing anything, that might be bad for business i.e. you the top 5-10% of your population who control 90-95% of your countries wealth. Thats who Obama serves, not you, not any other american walking the street, sure your indictrinated to think that way but look at the facts on the fuckin ground for a second Joe.
Oh, for crying out loud! What makes you think that I wanted (or expected) him to change anything? You make way too many assumptions and then you act on them as if they were gospel.
I didnt expect you to think anything, i expect you to be the subservient drone you've proven yourself to be. The piont is he had a popular concensus who did expect change, surely you know that.
I serve no fucking master but myself, you dont fuckin know me, but i tell one thing i know you. Do you know how it is i know you, because you paper people are all alike.
Where did you steal this rubbish from? It doesn't seem like you are creative enough to come up with it on your own, not that it is any good. Next time steal from something less boring so that we might actually read it all the way through
Well we both know where you got your twisted beleif system from, dont we. Your just an american nationalist, you may be a liberal or conservative, if i had to guess id say conservative but they're two sides of the same coin anyway. Go watch some american gladiators.
I want to aploguise to, i hadn't realised you were a 12 year old girl until i read your profile, if you can remember i was fairly mean to you in some previous debates as i thought i was dealing with some middle aged guy, plus im a bit of a cunt anyway at the best of times.I know you probably dont want to be treated differently from anyone else, but now that have more information about the kind of person your are, i will try to be more respectful.
Oh, I know you and who you serve. You're like a little lap dog, all yappy but no one takes you seriously because you're nothing more than a little shit. You know how I know you? Because your kind are all alike ;)
You know, you're really cute when you go around trying to get people to pay attention to your silly little theories about what you consider to be the truth. I mean, that is just so adorable. All wide eyed and naive, trying to make people think you're a real scientist and all ;)
I also like it when you're posturing and trying to sound mean and tough but only come across as a fanatic. Especially when you constantly misspell words and screw up the grammar ;)
You are such a clown! That's what I like about you. I hope you never stop writing. I get such a kick out of you and I think Cartman would agree with me on all of these points. At least he seems to be enjoying your antics as much as me ;)
Come on...., type up another poem for us to snicker at ;)
Oh Joe, what can say to you, really i dont even know what to say, ive clearly hurt your fragile little ego and for that i am sorry, that was never my intention, i just wanted you to realise some of the many fault inherent in your culoture and the way most american live their lives, but you clearly dont want to know and any attempt to try will only be misconstrued as an attack on you personally.
Can you please stop using the word facts? You are a lunatic and you completely ignore facts. You keep claiming this nonsense that 5-10% of the US owns 90-95% of the wealth. Can you back up these figures at all? No. The top 20% may own 80% of the wealth, but you falsely skew the numbers to your ridiculous figures. And, is your lame country much better?
Your right my friend i read that on multiple sources but you may be correct as i have just found a very reliable source claiming that 20% control 80% so i acknowledge that i may be wrong on that one.So lets assume im wrong and that 20% control 80%, is that really a whole lot better especially when you consider that the top 1% control 42% of the wealth. When you view it in that context the complexion changes a bit, DONT YOU THINK. So the top 1% control nearly half the wealth and the top 20% control 90%. You may still be wrong on that im not willing to do the actual work to prove you wrong im very busy at the moment so i dont have time for a digression like that. But i think those stats speak for themselves.
Now i find your allegation that im a lunatic who ignores the facts very insulting (obviously). Ill tell you what you indoctrinated nationalistic drone, show me exactly where it is i have intentionally lied and i tell you why you couldnt be more wrong.
You have a link to a survey on whether people think it is ok for the top 10% should own 90% of the wealth, not exactly facts. Your links have conflicting data, so how do we know what is correct? I don't expect an answer because you don't have time for digressions or to learn to spell. What I really want to know is what is the wealth distribution in your wonderful country. Although, how wonderful could it be if it would have you as a member?
I sent you those links to show you where i obtained the information i was quoting, as i said in my last comment i found links with conflicting data, initially i thought it was a 90/10 split but when you informed me it was 80/20 i went looking and found credible sources supporting your claim, so the links are meant to be conflicting, OK!!!!!!!
The survey is meant to illustrate public opinion, i knew when i was including you'd pounce on it, anything to try to discredit someone you disagree with, isnt that right. Look the info. isnt meant to be definitive, if it was i would have said so. It still proves my point. Your just trying to get bogged down in the MINUTIATE if the details in order to discredit me since you disagree with the fundamental conclusions ive drawn from it. Even you cannot say im spouting lies here, come on. My sources arent perfect, i admit the exact details of them can be questioned but they are ballpark figures, i never said they were 100% accurate, you decided that for yourself. As i said i dont have time to find better ones, ridicule me if it inflates your ego, i dont mind.
BTW in my country the best estimates put the split at 60/40 in favour of the wealthy.That is still far from ideal but its a utopia compared to your country.
Well..., he comes across like a calm, rational individual and you come across like a raging lunatic. He also seems more educated given his proper spelling and grammar and you come across as a high school boy who can't spell and who thinks grammar is an actor ;)
Well of course thats exactly what'd id expect you to say, heres another nationalistic indocrinated drone to back you up, i wasn't exactly expecting you to side with me. Of Joe you've broken my heart, i though we had something special, you men are all the same, you sparkle like the stars at night but the day your gone again, daybreak gone again, i think love is just physical.
Oh id love to take from you Joe, come on tell me what your wearing NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Joe your permission means everything to me, oh god im getting so hot and heavy, fuck me im hard, im Jesus, i cant even stand with this hard on, i need a mini wheel chair for this thing, god i feels like its gona rocket off, oh Joe UUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"whether people think it is ok for the top 10% should own 90% of the wealth"
If your gona criticise another persons spelling and grammar, you should really make sure your own is 100% airtight before you submit your argument.IDIOT.
Ah ha ha ha ha ha, look you pompus pretentious arrogant idiot, i didnt realise you marking me on my grammer so i just decided to write in a prose that is identical to the way i talk. if you have a problem with that you know where to go, im so sorry i dont take this site as serious as you do, im so sorry i dont read over every argument and correct every mispelled word for you, if you dont think what i write is up to sctrach dont FUCKIN READ IT go be a wanker to someone else, fuckin hell your a sad little man you know that.
I am the pompus pretentious arrogant idiot? I heard that If your gona criticise another persons spelling and grammar, you should really make sure your own is 100% airtight before you submit your argument.IDIOT. but I guess only an idiot would believe that. Of course, I would never have said anything about the word gonna.
So like do you have any recollection of our exchanges or are you just doing this to annoy me. Ill assume your serious, ok, you were the one who drew attention to spelling and grammer errors NOT ME. So please dont try to insinuate that i am somehow as guitly as you just becasue i pionted out one of yours AFTER you ridiculed me about it.
Whooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! I am absolutely in awe by your amazing powers of ridicule, im mean the way you took what i said and used it against me, seriously man you have a gift. Fuckin hell, i would have never thought of saying that my pedestle is bigger than yours, but hey i cant even spell.I just smash the key board with my head and hope for the best while my carer is cleaning out my nappy.
BTW your the grammer Nazi hear, i couldnt give a fuck what kind of pigeon english you type as long as the message your trying to convey is comprehensible to me. So please dont try to make out that im the one acting all high and mighty,ok.
Win, win what? I didnt realise we were playing a game, i was trying to iniate an intelligent debate.
BTW nazi is a colloquial term used to represent anyone who is overly anal about something i.e. grammer. You see i never compared any of your beleifs or your arguments to any of those held by the Nazis (see below), or Hitler, so your actually wrong about that. And even if i did, that doesnt invalidate my argument. Do you think that works when people are actually have real debates, come fuckin on, please start debating, please.You're only making yourself look foolish here, im sorry to tell you but anyone who reads this thread will agree.
Taken from wikipedia:
Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[3][2] In other words, Godwin put forth the hyperbolic observation that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope— "someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis." RIGHT HERE MY FRIEND
Hey you know what id like to tell you a little secret, your not that funny, i know, i know its hard to accept but as sson as you realise its ok that you were born with a willy of that size the sooner you be able to get on with your life. Theres stillso much you can do with your life, its just sex with women is obviously out of the question with a willy like yours. But i find baby dicks really attractive, tell me what you get up to when your in the bathtub you dirty little bitch, come on turn me the fuck on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh yeah tell me, TELL ME !!!!!!!!!!!
Oh no please dont, please ill be good, ill do whatever you tell me, oh im desparate for your approval, i think i need a very invasive colonic and id love for you to do the honours.
You think you can get under my skin ahahahahahahhahaha. Keep trying though, i mean that, your hilarious.
Look i dont know exactly what it is you hope to gain from these exchanges but id appreciate it if you could actually put forward some kind of opinion broadly related to the topic presented. I mean, fair enough, you dont agree with me but are you so childish that all you can do is ridicule me, why try demating a little, i was under the impresson thats what this site was created for. I guess your profile picture is an accurate depcition of the kind of person you are in real life.
Ok fine I will try debating you for now. Capitalism has allowed people to go from nothing to mega rich almost overnight. If that is not a good thing, what is better?
You have a very interesting debate style. Someone says something, you come up with your counter point, then you don't give anything to continue the debate. Suffer tremendously? Really? If the only thing one cared about in life is wealth then I guess not having it would be the ultimate in suffering. Since you believe there is tremendous suffering it sounds like you are motivated by money, hmm interesting.
Sorry i thought you were going to try to convince me i was wrong and that capitalism is the perfect system to lead to the self actualisation of the human race. Now im not motivated by money, nothing could be further from the truth actually. I think we can both agree that many people in your country live hard lives principally because of the inequality inherent in your system
And what about people staving overseas, now obviously very few are straving in your country but i can tell you there are plenty starving due to the actions of american corporations e.g. Monsanto. There is more than enough wealth in the to ensure starving can be pevented.
Heres William S Burrough's on the topic, i dont expect YOU to know who that is.
BTW criticising my debating style is rich coming from you. All you've done is ridiculed me, you took the debate completely away from the issues originally being discussed (probably because you knew you were wrong).
Ah, so if we fix the wealth system in America that will stop poor people from being exploited in other countries. I won't be able to convince you that capitalism is the best, so what is the alternative?
You have no idea what motivates me. I want the wealth system to stay the same and I want the American people to stop complaining and try hard. If we keep blaming the system everyone will expect change to be something that fixes all of our problems. Then you get an opportunist who says he is working for change as president. Hey, I was able to get it back to the debate topic :)
i present it dosent give you the right to say im a lunatic and that i complete ignore the facts, please list out exactly what facts i have ignored. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think you just dont like to hear the truth spoken to you cause it doesnt fit into your small minded selfish self interested way of vewing the world.
Just google it,bls might have data on it but I don't like their website, you'll find it on wikipedia as well. I thought it was common knowledge. The percentages might change a little, but the fact remains that wealth is distributed very disproportionally in America.
Also, check out the definitions and difference between the M0 and M1 money supply and let me know what it means :)
Exactly, thank you my friend. I mean i never said the info. was conclusive, i was making a very general point, you can be sure if i had the exact data and the credible sources to back it up i would have made that loud and clear in my argument.
The piont is completely valid, the distribution of wealth is very extremely disproportionate. People who disagree just dont like to hear the truth, so they argue in whatever way can to try and discredit the person presenting it.
Thanks Joe, you know how much i value your gracious comments, ohb Joe take me back ill do sick shit for you Joe come on, name it, whatever it is name it.
You drive a hard bargin Joe you really do, how about i dress up as uncle sam in the bedroom, then ill chain you up and say " I want you" at the top of vioce,. then ill insert my swollen engorjed penis into your rectum. How does that sound, buuuuuuuuuddy.
Wouldn't it be more appropriate for me to dress up as Uncle Sam and shove your favorite dildo up your ass? I mean, you're always bitching like a little girl about how America goes around screwing the rest of the world ;)
Fake numbers, there not fake, i admit there not perfecet, i dont have the time to get up to data from thoroughly verifiable sources but there definitely not fake. Now who's the one misrepresenting the truth huh? I wonder if you 'd agree with me if your income was closer to the 10% (i quoted) or 20% (you quoted)????
That's strange, I didn't realize that was a jibe. I always understood that with communism there is a redistribution of wealth. I thought in a communist society everyone has equal wealth. I thought that is what you wanted, but clearly you are against communism. So, since you are against communism it sounds like you are also against equal wealth.
Well yes inferring that my country is communist just becuase the wealth isnt as unevenly distributed as your greedy selfish state is a jibe, at least thats how i chose to interpret it anyway.I got an idea go look uip the defintion of jibe, then dont tell me casue i couldnt giev a fuck.
Why dont you try answering what you think about how fare the wealth is distributed in your country, i get the impression your not one of the 40 million living on the poverty line (also that figure isnt 100% accurate its ballpark, im not sure what the exact figure is currently so dont try to use it to discredit me just becasue you were born with a tiny tiny williy and need to overcompensate in whatever way you can)
BTW i am against communism, just in the same way that im against capitalism.
I dont know really, why dont you tell me what form is better, i can list multiple alternatives, my piont is that we've (humans) tried both (capitalism and communsim) and they are deeply flawed. You can disagree and say its not perfect but its the best, i think thats bullshit.
Now i dont like your tone, you think im the one acting arrogant, why read over your own comments. You clearly have a deep bias against what i am saying and thats understandable given your level of indoctrination.
This is one system out of many i think has alot of potential:
Now please dont come back and ridicule this, i dont consider it perfect, please stop playing games trying to corner me just cause your so oppsed to my opinions. If you give me respect i will do likewise.
Thats strange i thought i was in a debate about how unfair the distribution of wealth is in the US and how the government primarily serves the elites in that country, why not try giving your opinion on that.
Did you ever try talking with someone so crazy and so illogical that you couldn't help but assume that they were completely off their rocker and must be totally wrong? Well anyway, I was not really sure about how I felt about wealth distribution, but for some reason I am leaning more towards the wealth distribution being fine in America.
Ya of course you are, i wonder why that is, could it have anything to do with the fact that your not on the bread line, not knowing of you'll have the money to feed your family tommorow, i wonder.
BTW you can call me emotionally baised and say im using hyperbole or whatever, the piont is valid and we both know it, its just some of us (YOU) arent big enough to admit it.
I never thought of you as emotionally biased, but it makes perfect sense if you are one of those people on the bread line. So, are you on the bread line not able to support your family? That's sad, I hope things turn around for you soon
Thanks your well wishes mean alot to me, im so glad you are capable of feeling such sympathy for your fellow man, please tell me what your wearing UUUUUggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well, while I can only speculate, it appears that President Obama is an opportunist. He does try to make good on his promises which is better than most presidents. He tries to do what is right which is better than most presidents. But, he really doesn't get it, like most other presidents. Which means he is as ineffective as all the others. It is unfortunate, but it is true.
I look at the problem in a different light. If i were president, would I be any more effective? Well, while I would like it to be true, the answer is no way! Oh well, here is to the next more effective president.
For the record, I am not an Obama supporter, but just a realist.
Yes i can agree with what you are saying. I think if you were to become presdient you realise quite quickly if you hadnt already who your real masters are i.e. big business and the elites
The people of america are secondary and the people of other countries outside the western world are considered less than human as far as i can tell.
An opportunist. Understatement of the century. Indeed Obama played to the masses. Disenchanted Republicans, weary Independents and of course, he was a Liberal Democrats wet dream. He played not only to the country but to the world. For those of us who didn't fall for the flowery rhetoric and the promises of hope and change, who questioned his lack of experience and character, we stood shocked and stunned as he rode the tide of discontent all the way to the highest office in the land. Like a bad dream...and now we are all living the nightmare.
I agree completely but my argument is that McCain would have done just as bad. The position is corrupt. American president dont serve the people they serve the eilts primarily. Obama promised a change from this, people beleived him, they were foolish to as he is corrupt just as anyone else who would ahev taken his place.
I think the current president is no different to any of the others, sure hes not as extreme as George W. but really when you look closely all of his policies can be compared to other presidents, he was never really offering any real change, he was offering the illusion of change. That was his ticket to the whitehouse.
Obama is extreme! Bush sucked and Obama is worse and yes, Obama's ticket to the White House was his offering of change and because the liberal MSM didn't vet him at all.
Your missing the piont of the argument, he was voted in becasue people in America were truly fed up and wanted real change. American president all the back to J.F.K. havent been able to offer real change, i knew the day of his inauguration that nothing was gona change. The presidents postion is just as corrupt as any other government position in the US, your country need reform in the same way that Egypt does. Fior Christ sake your still responsible for backing the most brutal dictators in the Middle East, ya the current Libyan conflict may have drawn attention from it but thats reality./ Your supporting the repression of protestors in Bahrain, Yemen and Saudi Arabia.
Well I really don't need non-Americans preaching to me about our politics... it's really none of your business Gary... and as you should know, lots of countries support evil dictators inluding most of America's allies in Europe. There is often good reason for this and that being that the dictator may be the better of two evils.... I'm not sure what we're doing in Libya is a good thing because we don't really know who these rebels are. They could turn out to be even worse than the current crackpot that they have.
I agree completely European power are just as culpable as America in many instances but your country (as usual) takes the cake (and then some).
You view is highly flawed, you think its the better of two evils but your only thinkin of yourself, think about the what im writing. Who is it the better of two evils for, the peopel who have to live with the brutal dictator (e.g. Saudi Arabia who are financed, supported and armed by the US, Yemen same story etc. etc. etc. the list is endless, seriously look it up) or is it the lesser of two evils for your country and its people who can reap the benefits of the oil deals etc.
Do you think the people of those countries share your lesser of two evils theory, come on if thats not hypocritical i dont know what is.
It's not hypocritical, you fail to see my point... nothing is black and white and especially in the middle east and the fact of the matter is you and I don't have all the intelligence that our governments have... we don't always know the big picture... of course all western gov'ts have made mistakes... the thing is you only want to blame America first and maybe some European gov'ts second... you don't think anyone in the middle east could possibly be to blame for anything, except the dictators that America supports... It is possible that the people of Egypt and Libya may come to regret what they have done... their next leaders could be worse for them and for us. It's happened before.
And, whether you like it or not, sometimes nations do have to think of their own citizens well being first and foremost... after all that's their primary function.
Your completely correct in everything your saying but you fail to see how it invalidateS any of my arguments. Look if you stayed in your own country, didnt prop up brutal dictator that were willing to sell out their people to makes themselves (and many american elites) extremely wealthy, if you didnt invade contries illegally, if you didit support massacres and armies that were comminting atrocites, basically if you just didnt interfere where you have no right to interfere then your piont would be valid.
Come on look at your countries track record, look at what your standing up for, millions have died. Sure they weren't American civilians but they were still people and they had as much right to life as you and i.
You see the fundamental difference between you and i is you put your faith in a corrupt elitist government, i consider that the unbeleivably nieve. Power needs to be subjected to an unholy level of scrutiny, it need to be constantly questioned in order for democracy to function correctly. You Americans are so indoctrinated and nationalistic you follow the chioces of your government blindly like lemmings. Think about, Obama just started another war, i admit the UK anf France were pushing for it more so than the US but they had a democratic process in which all the political representives had a vote, Obama just decided to invade.There wasnt even a discussion. That couldnt happen in Europe, not that Europe is perfect, its not, in many ways its nearly just as bad as the US but the key word there is "nearly"
Let me guess you thought George W. Bushes was fuckin great. Hey you should go over to Iraq and collect yourself a necklace of Iraqi babies ears you fuckin hateful pile of incestuous shit.
who ever keeps voting up ur arguments (proberly you using another acount) is an idiot becaus what you are saying is racist and not at all right yeah i know fredom of speech blah blah whateva your disrespactfull and you need a good smak to the face or (im gusing your white and your parents have never touched you) and nice time out
dude really your a peice of nothing i feel bad for you cuz no matter how hard and of ten you shower your still never gonna smell good ever anytime you wanna get cursed out all you hve to do is say mom i love you to yo mammy except she proberly faked her own death to ditch you bitch you make me sick i hope you choke on air and die not rreally that's fucked up but at least go to the hospital get your self cheackedfor ticks cuz i bet the dog youv'e been fucking has some
"If ALMOST ANYONE had ran against him besides Mccain, we wouldn't have him or his America hating australiopithicene child devouring monster of a wife"
BITTTCH YOUR A RACIST MOFO THAT NEEDS TO BE SLAPPED HARD!!!!
Now that thats out the way. Look son, let me tell you a story about a woman called Sarah Pailn and a man call Mcain(were gonna call him Micky) ok now this man Micky was old ,old as the meteor the created dirt, old ok but he wanted to run for Prez de la U.S.A. ok but every prez de la U.S.A. needs some one to be there vice prez de la U.S.A. nut he wanted to get all the attion still so he looked on google and found Sarah pailin who well... was a idiot whom Micky thought was harmless ... so much for that huh no since micky was like idk...70 i think i may be wrong but he was plating the daiseys he was soon gona be pushing up so he will have left USA to deal w/ little sarah and you know what happens then ... click on da link fool see what happens then http://www.palinaspresident.us/ make sure you click on the lamp
i am in favor of obama over bush sarah and mcain but i don't agree with his health care bill not at all i think that just like every thing eleas you have to pay for your own stuff. since health care is important then you should owe the hospital or person you barrowed money from. honestly if i were prez. (and that will NEVER happen) i would make health care just like school and the fire and police depart ment since all of those thing are way important you shouldn't have to pay for them if the gov. has the money to start rediculis wars that must mean they have enough to help keep there citizens alive and healthy. mabey no one agrees with me i am only 12 but hey who knows? i think im right
Your very young to be interested in politics you must be a very smart girl. I agree with your sentiment but i think you fail to to realise that our society is supposed to be a humantarian one. The piont is were supposed to be compassionate enough to help someone if there going to die i.e. free healthcare. The problem with thinking everyone should have to pay for their own stuff lies in the fact that the wealth is completely unevenly distributed. Look im not a communist but i do beleive in certain brands of socialism, i think if you really scrutinise the current system you will see how flawed it is, it favours the privileged few in society.
Listen you ignorant cocksucker, I don't dislike obama because he is PARTIALLY BLACK, I dislike him and his big toothed monster of a wife because they are TRAITORS.
This clear things up for you, you fucking prison punk?
first im a 12 year old girl second you still have n't cleared anything up you ignorant rascist you still havent said why you dislike them except for a very brief statement about them being traitors wtf does that have to do with any thing mabey people would n't think you were stupid if you told why you think the retarded stuf you think huh mabey that will help?
