Is Obama trying to turn America into a Socialist country?
Do you think Obama is trying to turn our country in to a Socialist country? Why or why not? Is your decision based on research or opinion? Be serious and don't just answer no because you like him or voted for him (after all, debates are supposed to be based on facts).
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First of all, he wants a socialist health care system. Second of all, he wants to "speak to the children" which is how Hitler and all of the other "rulers" got their proposed changes across that would never fly otherwise (this is also how communist countries come around, so I say Obama in standing on the fine line between Socialism and Communism). We were talking in one of my classes yesterday about changing a society and we all agreed that you must start the change with the younger generations. Lastly, he wants to go against the Constitution. For example, he was not a natural born citizen (someone found his REAL birth certificate in Kenya about a month ago, maybe longer). He shouldn't even be president! Second, he wants to mess with the Bill of Rights on such issues as freedom of speech and rights to bear arms. Enough said... for now. Side: Yes health care constitution children
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Wow. First of all, a socialist healthcare system DOES NOT equal socialism. We have many socialized programs already. Education, fire protection, police protection, libraries, any of these ring a bell? All provided to all citizens free of charge through the general tax base. Think about the things being provided, education, safety, and well-being. Shouldn't health-care fall within the last two? Shouldn't we provide for our citizen's health and well-being? We'll be a much stronger nation healthy than not. And the system would not need reforming in the first place if the insurance industry hadn't fucked it up by being a bunch of greedy corporate pigs. If they had been providing coverage for everyone, actually paying out for procedures instead of finding loopholes to get out of them, etc. then this system would not need reform, but alas, they fucked it up for themselves. Now they're going to get competition. And it's not socialized medicine until every citizen is required to be a part of the public option, which has not been mentioned. So your first argument, ehnh. Second of all, Obama wants to "speak to the children" about personal responsibility. It's very anti-communist, really. He's going to motivate them by challenging them to take their education very, very seriously. On top of that, attendance at the speech will be purely voluntary, so really all this nonsense is just silly. The speech text will be posted to the White House website tomorrow and hopefully lay to rest the "fears" of you crazies out there. Lastly, there is ZERO proof of your accusation. Although I have plenty to the contrary. FactCheck.org In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake." We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said. Snope analyzes from a different angle to the same conclusion The most telling part of the Snopes article is why would a sitting U.S. Senator waste so much time and money securing his party's nomination if he knew he were ineligible? Barack Obama may be many things, but he's neither Kenyan nor dumb. As for his "messing with" the Bill of Rights, enough has not been said. Please bring back some basis for making this argument. How has he tried to take away freedom of speech? Side: No
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First, attributing that kind of power to an elected president who is constrained by a) a bicameral legislature (which in turn is comprised of 535 people who need to be re-elected themselves every 2 to 6 years); b) an independent judiciary with a relatively conservative majority; c) extremely high barriers to constitutional amendment; and d) a corporate sector whose assets dwarf those of both parties combined suggests either a fundamental misunderstanding of American political institutions or a belief in magic. Second, expansion of government does not in itself connote socialism. If that were true, then the dramatic expansion of the federal government under Reagan and both Bushes would make them socialists. Side: No
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It should also be noted that socialism is antithetical to big government, in spite of the ahistorical ranting of the general American public. That's why it's called the next step to anarchy. Every piece of socialist literature, whether it be Michel de Montaigne's "...of Cannibals", Piercy's Woman on the Edge of Time, or Marx and Engel's Communist Manifesto speaks of the state as an antagonizing force that should be ultimately done away with. It is one of the reasons why the Socialists were against the Nationalists and the Statists during the late 19th century. Side: No
Well, the traditional Communist dream is for the people to no longer need government. That Socialism will be the way of the people without need to enforce it. But, Socialism itself is more possible with big government (actually, impossible with limited or no government in a real world). Side: No
This cartoon says it best: Side: No
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I read this somewhere, and I think it's appropriate here: "I am a conservative. This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the U.S. Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by a municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC-regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like, using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of U.S. Department of Agriculture-inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. At the appropriate time, as regulated by the U.S. Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the U.S. Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration-approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the U.S. Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school. After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and Fire Marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department. And then I log on to the internet -- which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration -- and post on Freerepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right." Side: No
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