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Debate Score:79
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Is Suicide...the cowards way out?

what are your thoughts about people that hate their lives/current situations/etc... so much that they kill themselves? a common phrase you hear is they took the cowards way out...or what about the sad family/friends they left behind to deal with it...bla bla

 

what do you think about them?

personally, i think if you absolutely hate your life...mine as well kill yourself. and i think it takes a ton of courage to quit this game called life. 

plus if you have any common sense...you know this life is all you get...there isnt no redo...or fairyland up in the clouds you move onto.

i also find it funny how the bible says they dont get to go to heaven...what kind of dumb as clause is that? you can murder fellow man and ask forgiveness then be let back in the club...but kill yourself and your fucked for a eternity? lmao

also...i have no respect for those that fail suicide 1-5 times...you know the types (attention whores)...those that do it the first try earn mad props in my book.

Yes, total pussies

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No, braver than most

Side Score: 52
2 points

This is a brash way to put it, but yes suicide is the easiest way out, and easily denoted to being the action of a coward. It'd be harder, and require more bravery and or work, to survive and deal with the issue. That's not to say I don't support a person who commit's suicide's right to do so, I just believe most things can be worked through.

Side: Yes, total pussies
Jace(5220) Disputed Banned
0 points

Understand that when a person commits suicide they are not actually capable of rational thought. They are suffering from distorted perception, which is produced by unwilled changes in brain chemistry and even actual physical changes to the structure of the brain. Saying that someone who takes their life is taking the "easy" or "cowardly" way out is a lot like saying someone with cancer dying is taking the "easy" or "cowardly way out; it sounds utterly asinine if you know anything about mental illness (which is, actually, a form of physical illness).

Side: No, braver than most
1 point

I think it's easier to kill yourself then to stick around and feel pain. Most people who commit suicide though have depression which is a mental illness. So in a way they were diluted in their thoughts

Side: Yes, total pussies
0 points

a mental illiness? i hate when people claim that..."its not youre fault your depressed, its a mental illness...but dont worry, here are some expensive pills to help you cope with your disease" ~doctor/shrink/etc

BS...depression is just a fancy word for being sad. people who claim to be depressed just suck at looking at the bright side of things...and tend to dwell on the bad things...then use that as an excuse to suck at life.

claiming its a mental illness/disease is as bad as alcoholics blaming their horrible habit as a metal illness/disease...or sometimes claiming its in their genes. no you drunk sob, you just like getting drunk, got addicted to it and now its hard as fuck to stop. i think "depressed" do the same...it becomes habit for them...some probably even feed off it in a way.

Side: No, braver than most
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
2 points

You're a dick depression is a mental illness or are you one of those morons who don't believe in mental illness and think people should just pull themselves together!! Whilst people do bandy the word "depressed" around like when their not happy they say I'm depressed today does make it seem like it's not a real illness but it is and needs to be taken seriously

Side: Yes, total pussies
rightwrong(285) Disputed
2 points

Actually addiction can also be considered an illness too. Anxiety disorder and depression pretty much go hand in hand and they are both mental disorders, and while "expensive pills" don't cure anything they help you start on the road to recovery.

Shrinks, therapists or whatever you call them actually will help you to get better, they help you change the way you think about yourself and they give you great coping mechanisms. So in a way you are right because depression is all about the negative way you are thinking, but most people can't change that themselves and there is nothing wrong with seeking help. It is actually the responsible thing to do.

Now i'm not saying that someone with depression can't be blamed for their actions. They can and they should be but at the same time their view of themselves, everyone, and the world is so distorted you wouldn't even understand unless you've been through it before.

I urge you to confront people you know that are starting down the path to self harm and tell them to get help because you could just save someones life.

Also, don't talk about something that you obviously know nothing about. What you said was very destructive and quite frankly just stupid.

Side: Yes, total pussies
Jace(5220) Disputed Banned
1 point

Depression is a certified, clinically observable condition. The brain is actually physically altered and there are substantial shifts in brain chemistry which do not occur with simple sadness. These changes actually make it exceptionally more difficult to "look on the bright side", and even impossible in some severe cases. Mental illness is just like any physical illness, precisely because mental illness is a physical illness. Or did you somehow forget that the brain is a physical organ?

I live with serious, chronic depression. I have had suicidal ideation. I also manage my condition, because I was fortunate enough to have the resources I needed to learn how to do that. I live a fulfilled life, I am successful in what I do, and I have made more of a difference in the lives of others than a lot of other people I know. My depression is a reality I live with, as is the suicidal ideation, but that does not mean I use it as an excuse. Take your stereotypes and ignorant assumptions and shove 'em.

Side: Yes, total pussies
1 point

Yes it's a cowards way out. It just means to me that you couldn't really handle or overcome the challenges in life.

Side: Yes, total pussies
Jace(5220) Disputed Banned
2 points

Yeah, right, those who take their lives were totally in control of the involuntary changes in brain chemistry and structure that caused their distorted view on reality.

Side: No, braver than most
1 point

I don't agree with how the 'yes' side is phrased, but suicide is pretty damn selfish and cowardly. Whatever pain they think they're feeling, they'll cause more than that by killing themselves.

Side: Yes, total pussies
Jace(5220) Disputed Banned
1 point

Or maybe it is selfish for us as individuals and as a society to silence and stigmatize mental illness to make ourselves more comfortable. If we were responsible about our attitudes towards and awareness of mental health and illness, we could actually support those individuals who are suffering from involuntary changes in brain chemistry and structure that disrupt the capacity for rational thought. What you are expecting is for someone in extreme emotional distress with a medical condition that prevents them from thinking clearly and limits their ability to reach out... to reach out and think rationally.

Side: No, braver than most
lupusFati(790) Disputed
1 point

Prove it .

Side: Yes, total pussies
1 point

It's the cowardly fool's way out. Just face life and die like a normal person.

Side: Yes, total pussies
1 point

Yes, I do think suicide is the cowards way out. No person ever would wanna die. We all must face life as a challenge. If someone wanna die, he is truly a coward. I believe its the cowards way out.

Side: Yes, total pussies
1 point

why cant people just be totally sick of life?

have you ever played a game and got bored with it and wanted to stop..or just didnt like it...was it cowardly to quit before the normal end period?

its the same damn thing.

but never mind that...you people say/think "coward" as if those that commit suicide are SCARED to live another day....that is hardly ever the case.

really think of that....

Side: No, braver than most
2 points

It depends on how the person who committed suicide killed them self.

Someways are cowardly and other ways are gutsy.

Hanging yourself is pretty gutsy, while overdosing on drugs isn't.

Side: No, braver than most
2 points

either way...its the known end result the makes it gutsy. why not go out with some enjoyment? i know if i were to ever go that route, id definitely want to go out high as fuck.

i do think its fucked up when people use a gun or jump off a building and have no concern for the poor fuck that has to clean it up or find the mess.

i actually wrote a short story about this and how it would be if suicide were legal in most countries. imagine a bunch business set up with one purpose, killing you with a smile. its been awhile since i read the story and i forget the twist i put in it...but i was really happy with it.

Side: Yes, total pussies

Killing oneself is difficult to do, especially when it is in our natural instincts to survive. That said, I don't think suicide is cowardly. If you truly believe that your life isn't worth living (which I completely disagree with, I think life is always worth living), then suicide is a viable option.

Side: No, braver than most
1 point

im stealing this this from the comic "doug stanhope"

its like watching a shitty movie...if the beginning sucks and the middle sucks...why stick around to see the sucky ending? chances are its not going to get any better.

but it is messed up people under the age of 25 do it...people that have hardly given life a chance.

Side: Yes, total pussies
goodmale(1457) Disputed
1 point

There are alot of people that know straight from the beginning that there not going to live a happy life. You can always give life a chance but why should you when you know that no matter what your not going to be happy. Most people are kinda forced to live because they are to scared to kill them self and there is no other person that going to help them.

Side: No, braver than most
Jace(5220) Disputed Banned
0 points

Stanhope is an idiot. Life is nothing like a movie.

Whether you have been feeling awful about your life for days or years, whether that is a matter of perception or reality... that is in no way a guarantee that it will not get better. Suicide is the consequence of negative cycles of thinking feeding in upon themselves. It is the consequence of mental illness. People who take their lives did not fail to give life a chance any more than someone who dies from cancer failed to give life a chance.

Side: No, braver than most
2 points

Some people just don't feel they were meant for this world. If they've felt that way for a while, if they have legitimately tried to make their situation better and to no avail, if they are tired of going through the motions and wasting resources, I think they are being pragmatic, not cowardly.

Side: No, braver than most
1 point

No how would they be a coward. If someone kills themselves it would mostly be because there not happy. It takes alot of guts to kill your self anyway you go out. You would not be a coward for killing your self. It depends on what you killed your self for. People that kill themselves because they didn't want to fight someone that they were trying to pick a fight to began with are cowards. People that die to be with there love one are not cowards.

Side: No, braver than most
1 point

The definition of brave states someone who is ready to take on anything... It's not the act of killing yourself that stops the people who oppose the action. It's the fear of the unacknowledged outcome. People are simply no suicidal because they fear death itself. The person who kills themselves do not fear what is to come, which in my opinion is brave as hell. I don't have the balls to give myself an unpredictable outcome.

Side: No, braver than most
Jace(5220) Disputed Banned
1 point

As someone who has been suicidal, and as someone who has known others who attempted suicide, I could not disagree more strongly. Those thoughts terrified the shit out of me, and of everyone I know whose experienced them. It has nothing to do with not being afraid, and everything to do with despair and desperation.

Side: Yes, total pussies
0 points

so what were the big reasons that made you think suicide? tell us so we can determine if they are valid excuses or if its metal sickness fucking with you

there are plenty of good reasons to pull the plug...stop pretending like its your sick mind playing tricks on you

Side: No, braver than most
Jace(5220) Banned
1 point

Suicide is the direct consequence of a mental health condition. It makes as much sense to say that someone who takes their life was a coward as it does to say that someone who died from cancer is a coward.

Side: No, braver than most

Nobody chooses to be put into those unhealthy conditions.

You can receive all of the help you want, but if your condition isn't improved then death can be the product. People who commit suicide did not possess the ability to cope with life, due to chemical imbalances afflicting their coping mechanisms.

People who die from cancer, no longer had the proper chemical balances to sustain their life force.

Is this basically what you mean? Or am I missing something?

Side: No, braver than most
Jace(5220) Clarified Banned
1 point

My specific point was more that depression is a medically recognized health condition, and that calling someone cowardly because they have it makes as much sense as saying someone who got cancer is cowardly because they got cancer. Cowardly people can get depression or cancer, but not all people with depression or cancer are cowardly.

I do think that there are some cases of terminal depression (or other mental illness) for which no degree of intervention and support may be capable of treating or preventing. In much the same way as some cases of cancer are unavoidably terminal, even with proper care and treatment. When we stigmatized cancer and knew less about it, fatality rates were higher; as we stigmatize it less and learn more about it, fatality becomes lower. This is a fairly consistent truth with virtually every illness, whether physical or mental.

Side: Yes, total pussies
lupusFati(790) Disputed
0 points

I really can't agree with your definition that it's only caused as a direct consequence of a mental health condition. I'd even call it a logical fallacy, though I'm not sure what the name of it would be. My point is, the logic simply doesn't follow.

Side: Yes, total pussies
Jace(5220) Disputed Banned
1 point

You can make all the claims you like, but until you provide a rationale yourself or any basis for your disagreement at all your argument is utterly meaningless.

Side: No, braver than most
Jace(5220) Disputed Banned
1 point

P.S. We both started off wrong with no evidence, and while you never gave any I at least gave some (even if you found it inadequate). If you can't do evidence, at the very least you could substantiate your view with some basic thought beyond: "no, you're wrong... I can't say why, but you're wrong."

Side: No, braver than most

It would take great courage. I no I wouldn't be brave enough to do it.

Side: No, braver than most
1 point

I will have to say its braver than most. Look at it this way it takes guts to kill themself. What is so brave about being killed by someone else? Nothin nothing at all. Lets say someone hold a gun to your head wouldn't you have pleaded to stay alive. When someone kills themself they will have to go through with this so I believe its pretty brave to kill yourself.

Side: No, braver than most

Yes it's a pointless cowards way out.......................

Side: No, braver than most
1 point

It's more stupid and desparate. You can always keep fighting and make your life what you want it to be. But I don't think it's cowardly.

Side: No, braver than most
1 point

I think it's in our nature to want to live, so killing yourself would take a lot of courage. I know I wouldn't have the balls to do it.

(Also, you're basically beating god/fate/life it's own game.. That's pretty badass.)

It is caused by a mental health condition though, so I don't think it's fair to call the victims cowards.

Side: No, braver than most
1 point

Dealing with what is inside your head is truly difficult. Suicide yes is a mistake but if someone is going through tremendous amount of pain and suffering so much that they think suicide will stop their suffering then no its not the cowards way out. You have to be strong and willing to put up with the endless war in your brain. For myself, I've been diagnosed with social anxiety and major depressive disorder. I can't tell you how many times I've considered it myself. I've in fact gotten so close to the end and I think holding on is the strongest thing someone can do. Holding on whether it be for your family or your friends. It's messed up, how many people kill themselves every second. And I know you think it's because we are attention seekers but really we aren't. We want someone to end our suffering and usually help doesn't provide the necessities that we need. Suicide isn't the cowardly way out, and it's not the only way out. I think if someone is put in the situation of wanting to kill themselves then they've had to go through so much pain and endless nights and not feeling like getting up in the morning and not feeling like doing anything. We don't give up we give in.

Side: No, braver than most
0 points

Suecide is a sin. Don't allow this feeling to get in. Even God forfide this act.

Side: No, braver than most
1 point

what is so sinful about it?

do you realize the only reason the bible tells you idiots that, is so you dont get in too big of a hurry to go off to lala land (heaven) they rather you stick around, donate to the church, spit out some clones and help brainwash them too.

Side: Yes, total pussies