Is The Biggest Atheist Of All Time...........God?
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Very funny video, even though I haven't been a big fan of this particular argument over the years. You might enjoy this http://www.youtube.com/ Side: No
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Atheism has two scopes. The first is the lack of belief in a deity, and the second is the position is that there are no deities. This argument has always seemed like the Ray Charles one : Ray Charles is blind Love is blind God is love Therefore, Ray Charles is God. That is obviously a facetious conclusion. I think many that take the position that God is an Atheist misunderstand epistemology, the study of knowledge. Knowledge is best defined as a justified and true belief. So in a certain sense, knowledge entails believing, but also it entails having sufficient justification to make that claim true. So, even if we reference God here from a "perfect" interpretation, he could not be an Atheist. He does not lack belief in himself nor does he believe he doesn't exist. If he actually existed, he would know those claims to be false. And again, since he knows those claims are false that entails he believes the claims are false and justification to make that belief true. Side: No
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"That is obviously a facetious conclusion." Maybe....................... "I think many that take the position that God is an Atheist misunderstand epistemology, the study of knowledge." In all honesty this was sort of a joke and really doesn't establish any real point to the validity of the existence of god. The existence of god is entirely outside our ability to prove or disprove, so I focus on religion. Was hoping some idiot like churchmouse would try assault this debate like they usually do. Side: yes
Lol at the Ray Charles part. I hope no one actually has thought this argument to be an actual debate about the existence of God. Also, I must remind you that proof is currently outside of our ability, and "prove and disprove" aren't as gigantic absolutes as they seem to be. Why? So he can down-vote everything? Side: No
No, it's obviuosly an illogical conclusion. If Ray Charles is represented by the letter 'R', and "Love" the letter 'L,' plus a 'B' for blindness, and "God" represented by the letter 'G'... ..then the supposed logic goes like this: Given: 1. If R, then B 2. If L, then B 3. If G, then L Therefore, If R, then G .....which is not justifed by logic. See, while it is true that, if you take givens 2 and 3 together, that it's true that "If G, then B" (God is blind), but you cannot take that statement, and given 1, to produce "If R, then G" (Ray charles is god) What you have, in the end, is: If G, then B (God is blind) If R, then B (Ray Charles is blind) However, to say that "If R, then G" or "If G, then R" would require you to know that the concept of blind things is a set containing a single member. That is, there is only one thing which is blind, meaning that, since both Ray Charles and God are blind, they have to be the same thing. And since we do not know that the set of blind things has only one member, it is illogical to say either "If R, then G" or "if G, then R" This is assuming that R and G are both single objects, not sets of objects themselves. Anyway, as to the actual question, I would say that the statement is true, because there is no evidence for any god. Which is to say that, the concept is so vague and insubstantial that it doesn't lead to any definition of that evidence which would confirm the proposition, or that which would disprove it. That is to say, if we interpret the claim here "The biggest atheist of all time is god" as sort of poetic :P For, by it's insubstantial nature, the claim of a god is unprovable. Meaning there is no reason to believe that such a thing exists. No reason except for personal reasons, anyway. No rational reason to believe in some sort of god-thing, certainly. Side: yes
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Because all most theists believe god to be eternal. They believe nothing made him. Therefore god would be an atheist. Side: yes
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