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Is The Universe Finite Or Infinite?

Now, for those few of you here who don't openly reject science, I am of course aware that the background radiation of the universe has been mapped, and so your first thought might well be that of course it is therefore finite.

But hold on just a moment.

Simultaneously, the universe is in a constant state of expansion. As soon as you measure it your measurement is wrong because it gets bigger. You see what I'm saying? However big the number gets which describes the physical dimensions of the universe, it is never sufficient to actually describe the physical dimensions of the universe. Not in real time. You can only point and say, it was X big at Y point in the past.

So is that actual infinite? Or am I just twisting logic? In a 3D universe I think the answer would be a simple finite, but when you add in time the answer isn't so clear.

Thoughts?

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Oh, That is a very thoughtful question. I think there is no perfect answer to this question. I am sure that you guys have asked the same question many times to yourself. best online engagement rings store Am I right? I did it.

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Infinity is an abstract concept and is, by definition, greater than any conceivable number. However big the universe is at any given future point, it will have an assignable number that represents that distance. However large that number is, we will always be able to conceive of a number that is larger.

If you change the question and ask how large the universe can expand, the answer may be that it can expand infinitely, if it never stops. This wouldn't mean that its size is ever infinite.

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Infinity is an abstract concept

On what basis are you drawing that conclusion?

Black holes are regions of infinite density and black holes demonstrably exist. Therefore your conclusion would appear to be wrong.

and is, by definition, greater than any conceivable number.

Yes, but that tells us nothing about why you believe it to be an abstract concept.

However big the universe is at any given future point, it will have an assignable number that represents that distance.

Yes, this had occurred to me. I agree. At least in theory.

However large that number is, we will always be able to conceive of a number that is larger.

That's because numbers themselves are infinite you bozo.

If you change the question and ask how large the universe can expand, the answer may be that it can expand infinitely

If it can expand infinitely (which the latest data suggests it can and will) then it is infinite, because remember we are also measuring across time as well as space.

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Black holes are regions of infinite density and black holes demonstrably exist. Therefore your conclusion would appear to be wrong.

"A singularity is a point in space where there is a mass with infinite density."

"In the real universe, no black holes contain singularities. In general, singularities are the non-physical mathematical result of a flawed physical theory. When scientists talk about black hole singularities, they are talking about the errors that appear in our current theories and not about objects that actually exist. When scientists and non-scientists talk about singularities as if they really exist, they are simply displaying their ignorance."

https://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/mobile/2013/09/13/does-every-black-hole-contain-a-singularity/

If it can expand infinitely (which the latest data suggests it can and will) then it is infinite, because remember we are also measuring across time as well as space.

An infinitely expanding universe expands unendingly. That does not mean that its existent size is infinite. The infinity refers to an endless potential, not an actuality. Infinity is not a coherent concept as an actuality (see above).

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