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Is There Evidence for Macro Evolution

It is hard to find current evidence the one "kind" completely changed to another "kind"

Yes there is

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No there are none

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It is hard to find current evidence the one "kind" completely changed to another "kind"

This argument quickly falls apart as "kind" is not a scientific term and only used in this context in the Bible. Macroevolution (it's one word, at least get the spelling correct if you want to argue it) is gradual change between species over a large amount of time (i.e. millions of years). You are correct, there is no evidence to support the idea of a giraffe giving birth to a cat, but that's not how evolution works. Essentially your argument against evolution is based on a false premise and a false understanding of the process.

Side: Yes there is
LichPotato(362) Disputed
1 point

The basic idea of Darwinian Evolution is that a species is capable of becoming another, dissimilar species, over time. Just claiming it to be "a species becoming another species" is deceptive, as a given "species" is little more than an isolated breeding group.

The problem with this idea is that DNA, being physical and thereby finite, is capable of storing a finite amount of data, and thus capable of finite variation. Regardless of how long you wait, a breeding group of dogs won't become insects over time, because their DNA doesn't allow that degree of alteration. In other words, the Biblical term "kind" is much more applicable to life than you claim.

Side: No there are none
Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

Way to twist words. Is that all you are capable of doing?

Side: Yes there is
sylynn(626) Disputed
1 point

as a given "species" is little more than an isolated breeding group.

Define "isolated breeding group"

The problem with this idea is that DNA, being physical and thereby finite

You really have no understanding of genetics, do you?

Regardless of how long you wait, a breeding group of dogs won't become insects over time, because their DNA doesn't allow that degree of alteration.

I will agree dogs likely won't eventually evolve into insects, and evolution does not suggest it either, so...what's your point?

In other words, the Biblical term "kind" is much more applicable to life than you claim.

No, "kind" simply allows for the user of said word to remain ignorant to the actual taxonomic order that is used in biology, thus making him sound like an idiot.

Side: Yes there is

It's just too boring. They are no more capable than zombies, it seems.

I wouldn't think such humans could exist if I didn't have such undeniable evidence for it.

(It's not "just words", you can see my argument at the bottom, as of writing.)

Side: Yes there is

They can't find one. For God's sake, they can't tell you how the first "self replicating molecule" happened according to themselves, nor can they show us spontaneous generation, nor can they show us any proof of intermediaries in the fossil record...

https://www.facebook.com/The-Christ-Project-1890498114505768/

Side: Yes there is
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There is no legitimate scientific distinction between evolution in the short term and evolution in the long term. They are exactly the same thing, just viewed over different reference points.

Do you know what mutation is? Do you know what advantageous and unadvantageous mean in evolutionary terms? Do you understand that evolution is not merely a possibility, but an entirely necessary conclusion, in the study of geological stratification?

Side: Yes there is
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This PhD has a pretty extensive write-up including citations. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Side: Yes there is

I don't get it - the christian position is ridiculous.

What are you claiming, really?

That mutations are fake?

That they can't add over time?

That genes aren't mainly hereditary except mutations?

Especially with that new nonsense, namely, only microevolution exists. What can they not understand? That mutation is on genes? That time passes?

I don't see how that's even a coherent position.

Side: Yes there is
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Evolutionist will give plenty of examples of adaptation within a "kind" but there is as far as I can see no evidence of one "kind" changing to another "kind". Remember science is the systematic study of a structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. We can not observe nor test what happend millions of years ago.

Side: No there are none
1 point

Agreed. So if it cannot be demonstrated or proven, it's not even on the plain with God.

Side: Yes there is
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

adaptation and variation or mutation through generations is not evolution, there is no such thing as evolution and there is absolutely no evidence of anything like reptiles changing to birds over vast spans of time........there is not even any real evidence of vast spans of time beyond approx. 6000 years.

Side: Yes there is
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There is no such thing as evolution in plants or animals.

Side: No there are none
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Just more Progressive nonsense that comes out of places like Berkeley,California !

Side: No there are none
1 point

I would say no because of irreversible complexity. A couple of weeks ago in my science class we dissected a pig's heart. While we were doing that the teacher explained all the little parts that made the heart work properly. If the pig had been born without one of those little parts then the heart would jot have worked and the pug would have died, this means that all of these parts had to evolve at the exact same time in the right way or else the organism with first heart would have died and not passed on those genes

Side: No there are none
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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Macroevolution is nonsense and you go on some rant about a pig's heart LMMFAO !

Side: Yes there is
1 point

A leads to B and B leads to C and C leads to D and D leads to E. This is all microevolution!!!! Where is the change from A to E???

Side: No there are none
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The amount of extrapolating that the theory requires is unscientific.

Side: No there are none