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This was about IS THERE A GOD? Not what you believe. In normal life, it's fine to believe what you want, but if you are going onward to glorious debate, then you cannot just say you "believe" something.
You must explain WHY you believe it and WHY it is true, especially when the debate title is something as rigorous as "is there a god?"
If it was "Do you believe in God?" then your response would be fine, but for people who do not want to believe in every single god that has been invented throughout history, then it would be nice to, rather than believing in ancient legends, to believe in solid facts and evidence.
Well I'm just stating what I believe in. You may believe in something that I don't believe in. For example you may believe that evolution exists but I don't.
Yes, but belief is not a path to truth. It is a path to belief and indoctrination and no more asking questions.
What you believe, you might think is true, but in reality, is it really?
You have no reason to think it is true at all. You certainly do think it is, but your reasons will not compel a Hindu or a Muslim or a Pagan to convert to your religion, nor will it compel me.
Your reasons are no good, because they are not based on facts, logic or evidence. They are based on superstition and fear and deceit.
From the sun going around the earth, to creationism, to the crusades, to oppressing gay rights, Christians are completely insane and they are not correct. They deceive people, oppress and hurt people and do horrible things, again and again and again.
You may call me narrow minded...yes..I am a Christian...I believe that God is a holy God. I am proud to be a Christian.It takes more to believe that there is no God and to we came from no were than to believe that we were created by God.
Yes. Both parents are Christian. I was raised with Christian beliefs..until one day I accepted the Lord as my savior...why? Not because my parents made me..but because I saw that I was a sinner and there was no way for me to go to heaven without forgiveness from God.
So you grew up in a Christian community with Christian parents and you think you made the choice?
Have you ever watched The Matrix...?
It seriously seems like some people are simply not aware of how silly they sound. It's like you're part of a cult. "I am sinful... I am evil. Only THE LORD OF ALL SPACE AND TIME CAN SAVE ME. JOOOIIINNN USSSSS OR THE LORD WILL BURNNNN YOU ALIVE MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH"
Seriously. It's like you're brainwashed into a cult. AND THE FUNNIEST THING IS THAT YOU ACTUALLY AREEEEEE!!! OH MY GOSH.
You too...you may have grown up around people who believed that there is no God also...or at school..or whatever..but you may have also grown up with the idea that there is no God. To me you sound silly too :P
well then...I sorry then...end of debate. Its a tie between you and me. But before we end...did you accept the Lord as your savior? Before you "left" or when you were a "Christian"?
Jesus is a fraud and nothing more. Decent moral lessons that I don't need in my life. I know how to be a good person.
I could say I'm smarter or better than Jesus. I could say I'm sinless. It doesn't matter. Anyone can invent or pretend to be "perfect", but it doesn't really matter.
That shit isn't real.
The Lord is an abomination and a demon. A non existent demon.
I don't care, and if your god is real, as depicted in the bible, I would rather go to hell than bow to insane and violent tyranny.
So you are saying that there is no God but yet you say that there is a hell? Also you called the Lord a demons....isn't that something you would think as illogical since there is no God and if there is no God there are no angels and demons?
btw...calm down man..this is just a peaceful debate...
You can decline to respond if you want, but the fact remains that it takes more faith to believe in god than not believe. Also, I find it funny how you down voted my argument simply for disliking it, rather than down voting it for being illogical or nonsensical. I'll be more than happy to down vote yours the same way, until you withdraw your down vote.
To believe in god, you have to ignore the evidence against moses parting the sea, virgin birth, jesus being resurrected and levitating, transforming water into wine, noahs ark, the global flood etc. You also have to ignore the theory of evolution, because evolution says all life came from a single cell billions of years ago. When, in the bible, god created man and put him in paradise and then took the man's rib and made the woman. We know this to be false.
There is no known evidence supporting god's existence. There is lots of evidence supporting various theories in science.
So you tell me, after reading this, how does it take more faith to lack belief in god than to believe in god?
Does it take more faith to lack belief in fairies, or the loch ness monsters, or werewolves? Don't be ridiculous.
God did not make anything. There is no need of god for the formation of this universe or the earth. And there is no even. A person who does not exist cannot be wonderful.
So, did you even go to a school? There is this thing called science that actually has evidence and proof for it's conclusions. Of coarse some dimwit in a dress knows more about the workings of the universe than hundreds of years of research and experimentation.
Yes, there is a god, but i do not think it is an entity, can it take the form of an entity? You bet, ive come across god many times in my experiences with people, and what i can say about god is that it is something we all have within, god is interconnected between everything, and you either realize this, or you dont.
God is the feeling and experience of life, i look at the world and see explanation for everything, which is all part of a conscious thing, but explaining how consciousness does this and that, is not the same as experiencing the consciousness for what it truly is- which is infinite. I think if you watch this video you will understand what god really is, and what our potential can become: http://perceivingreality.com/
Yes God definitely exists, the proof are us complex human beings with freewill and our complex minds are proof, nature is proof in how beautiful it is, pi and the golden ratio are proof of beautiful design, animals are proof, the vast universe, the fact that when push comes to shove and even knowing that we're (mankind) is a speck in this infinite universe, yet we're still the special ones, we're still the ones asking questions, no other species that we know of is even close to the magnitude that mankind has been living in its existence.
Totally agree with you. Human beingsa re foolish. They beleive only in what they see.Many people think that nothing is perfect but they do not see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpQAYil4nsU . Watch this and I hope that there will be seen a light in your heart and at least you will beleive in God existance.
Is there God? Yes. The people from Science would definitely raise an eyebrow, but even they know there's God. In their terms, they call it Nature. God or Nature, whatever we call it, refers to the supernatural power that rules the world. Whenever Science fails to account for something, we call in this supernatural power, and that's basically what the layman calls as God.
It is the power that ignites life in living things, and is responsible for creation of universe. Even the laws of physics obeys the rules of Nature. So there is definitely some supernatural power that is responsible for the existence of life on our planet.
No one can ever prove anything to you because it's impossible to show you what you seek for. Faith is faith for a reason. Perhaps you shouldn't look for physical proof. Maybe you should look for other forms of proof and open your mind. ;)
Yeah. Maybe I should just stop thinking and accept every religion that exists and has ever existed. They all seem equally true.
Not only that, but maybe I can burn some witches or crusade or jihad or something. Oppression, lies and deceit all go hand in hand with religion. It's been that way since the first religions, where other tribes were seen as evil, to now, where people of other religions are destined into a horrible pit of hell, or are to be jihadded or whatever. Religion and faith is scum.
There is knowledge of the universe. There are ways to understand how things work without the need for insane magic and gods and demons.
Why should I take a step backwards? Why should I accept your obviously bullshit mythology over evidence and facts?
I'm not saying accept mine of anything, you've got me wrong on that. I don't want you to believe what I believe in. I don't want you to do anything other than stop calling people who believe in anything lairs and deceitful. As if non believers are not lairs or deceitful. You may it seem religion is the reason why mankind has much "bad" in this world, when you must know that is not true. You're being closed minded thinking that religious people go out their way to lie to people, for what gain? You look at all of the nonsense that people have done (that are religious, the burning of the witches, the "damned to hell", ect) and get turned off by it when really I think having faith in anything, in general is more natural than believing that those who do believe are lairs and without knowledge. What do you know that those who believe don't know? We're all in this boat of life together. Don't let those extremists religious folk make all religion look bad.
Do you think it's not? Perhaps it isn't as harmful as I dramatize, but it certainly isn't helping the world at all.
What is natural is wanting to know things, and understand the world. Because religion is introduced at an early age, it becomes very harmful, for gods and the supernatural is not how the world really works. You may say otherwise, but it appears wrong.
The knowledge that I have that others don't, I had to find and understand on my own. It is science. Not just the subject, but the understanding of what it means to think scientifically. It is not just accepting facts or what people say. It is looking at something, and thinking about what caused it. However, there is a catch. I cannot make things up. I can't just invent a reason for things. I can't call on god or unexplainable reasons, such as the supernatural.
But if these things had no answer but a god, then I would be lead to believe in god.
Instead, there are answers. There are things that you can see for yourself, and show others, so that they may understand. These things are real, and work according to natural law that is understandable by humans.
There is no need for a god, once you find an explanation that works. That's why evolution is accepted, except by the strongly religious, and why those strongly religious people cannot actually prove what they believe. You've seen Srom, right? He believes strongly, and rejects evolution utterly, but his arguments contain nothing. You can read them yourself. His arguments are weak and easily beaten, because his explanation, "god did it" is simply wrong.
If religion was only a belief system with no real world consequences, if there was no oppression or violence or pain caused by religion, I would not care. But there is pain to people, it harms science as well, and does many things I cannot approve of.
All religion looks bad to me, because it is bad. It is a reason to stop wondering and to stop thinking.
I believe it's true, and the Bible is also proof (hate that word) of God's existence. Not to mention the miracles he performs in people's lives every day. Ever heard the song 'You Saved Me' by R. Kelly?
I need to write a book about some new god. No, I need to write tens of books about different gods. Of course they would all be real, the books themselves would say they are and so, in fact, they would be real, because the books would say they are because the books would say they are because... you get the point... (Religious logic, seriously wtf is with them and that endless and idiotic circle? Can't they understand it is just plain stupid?). But yeah, I first have to write those books, at the moment those gods don't exist. They do? Prove it!
Wait... So, if I created those books that in turn would make those gods real then I would be the creator of gods. What power! Suck on that Jesass and shocking Zeus and Thor and all the rest!
Wait... Doesn't that all mean that whatever is written is also, in reality, real, that it all becomes real? I need to write myself some bitches... in fact, I'll not wait with that...
I don't think so, but then again it depends on what you believe. I just feel that the Bible is different because the effect of God's words have been seen in real life.
Did you know right now, at this very moment there is a child in a poor country who is very very hungry? He will likely be dead in a month or less.
Your god, who is watching all, is watching that child.
Where is a miracle? Perhaps a person will give him food and save him, but if people have free will, then I see no god. Only the goodness of humanity. However, in the past, many other children died and neither god nor man saved them.
The world is cruel, and although you may be living in comfort, with microwaves and internet and family and warmth, with enough food and a nice bed, there are others who are not so lucky.
Just within your own community there are bullies, and the weak, there are the poor and the rich, there is pain everywhere, but only for some. It is not as if everyone was kicked out of "eden". There are some people, such as yourself perhaps who have everything you need, and if all else failed, you could apply for welfare and get food and housing even if you had nothing left.
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The world is very hard, and one could say "Don't worry about those starving kids. They probably go to heaven anyways!"
But I don't believe in your god.
I suffer knowing that people suffer, and have no heaven to return to. I see no god, no eden, no paradise. If people suffer, and I am not going out to help them, I cannot ask a Jesus to take my guilt.
The guilt is on me. Their suffering is not atoned.
You might live a life filled with miracles and hope and the works of gods, but not all are born lucky like you are.
It is a sad world, and saying that a god is there for all people is not true. Perhaps you go to church, and you were raised religious, but I see no truth in the bible. I see oppression and violence and hatred passed down for two thousand years, and before that, other cruel and horrible religions that did nearly the same.
I wasn't talking about myself when I said that God helps people's lives. I was thinking of those people who have life-threatening diseases and get cured, or those people who's lives have hit rock-bottom and God helps them get up again.
I know that the world is cruel; children are starving, people are living in poverty, girls are being raped, etc. I know that. However, I'm no angel or prophet so I cannot honestly explain why the world is what it is. I'm not going to make up a reason, and all I can say is that God probably has a good reason for why life is the way it is.
The effects of those other gods also seemed real to the people who believed in them - leading them to do things from rain dances to ritual sacrifices...
People thought lightning was one of the real effects of God and thought Ben Franklin was subverting the will of God by inventing the lightning rod ref
The bible mentions other gods that people thought were real (e.g. like Baal/Baalim/Moloch, etc. to whom people were willing to sacrifice their children ref), does that make them real?
I don't think so, but I can't justify why. I was raised Christian, I've believed in God since I was young, so I know He's real. The thought that He could not exist has never crossed my mind, and probably never will. As for all the other gods, well I don't want to say that they're not real, because the people who believe in those gods, probably believe in their existence just as much as much as I believe in my God.
Are gods like Tinkerbell? All you have to do is believe to make them real?
Belief and faith comes from the evidence of God's presence in our lives. If was just this person I knew about, but who had never done anything for me or anyone in the world, then I'd have doubts of His existence. However He has, so I have no reason to not believe in Him.
I hope there is one... and if there isn't, then we need to invent a fake one.
Human beings are too foolish, greedy and powerhungry to be given full reign over law and morality. You could say that I don't have much faith in humanity.
If you are a person who is really interested in studying this subject ( and if you aren't then why are you even reading this debate?) then you should read "It Couldn't Just Happen." It helped me understand how incredible our world is and how it must be a product of intricate design.
Also, are you joking? That book seems to be riddled with basic errors and incompetency.
Are you sure you wish to recommend that book? Or are you an undercover atheist trying to make Christians look dumb and uneducated? That's not exactly fair.
I am a Christian. I believe this is a fine book to recommend. I did not recommend it for someone to look at the cover or read reviews of. I recommended it for someone to read. You have already passed judgment on the contents of the book. Judging a book by its cover, if you will. (The book SEEMS to be...)
If you are not a Christian but wish to learn about Christianity and why people believe it, then you would be willing to read a book that has God's name in the title and also is sort of a science book. You would be willing to read it without getting angry and being unhappy about the fact that it is defending Christianity.
If you do not wish to learn about Christianity and why people believe it, then why are you even in this forum?
I don't wish to make Christians look dumb and uneducated. This is a high school level book, so it is written in a slightly easier-to-read way (I'm not sure why you say it would make Christians look dumb and uneducated, but this is the only thing I could come up with).
I have actually read the book so I think I have more right to talk about what is in it.
I recommend this book because when I was in 7th grade I read and it helped me understand what I believe and why.
No, the problem is that the book has information in it that isn't true. Not information about god, but just basic science facts that are wrong. This isn't acceptable if you are trying to learn true and right information.
What if it did? What if this amazing complexity did come from a nonliving, non-sentient source? What if the big bang simply assembled galaxies and stars and planets only from gravity, if atoms are held together by the natural nuclear force, what if life can form from electricity passing through certain nonliving molecules, and then evolve into wondrous species?
What if the universe is like that, despite how strange it seems? Wouldn't that be fascinating?
I find it amazing that people find it easier to believe in a big bang. Just a bang. with no rhyme or reason. creating not just the earth but the known and unknown of the universes. No it wouldn't be fascinating. It would be depressing. Life itself would have no meaning. I would not have been created with a purpose or out of love or anything just chance.
"The evidence certainly points towards that." What evidence points toward that?
What if people like you strive so hard to prove that god does not exist will never be able to do just that; faith in god, or gods, will never seize to exist. How does that make you feel?
The problem is that you don't seem to understand that what you believe isn't real, and even if it was, your faith is misguided.
There is no proof, which like in your other argument is fine, no physical proof, well, you still believe anyways.
Why? Who do you think made up these stories? Do you think Moses had physical proof? What about Muhammad? Or the Hindu scripts? Egyptian religion? Who has all this proof, why are there so many religions, and why do they all allow humans to escape death, into immortality?
It sounds like a made up story that gives people pointless hope. An excuse for a person I know to say "I don't need to help starving children. They automatically go to heaven."
With no proof, that statement is purely and utterly evil in every aspect. In fact, the very desire to attain immortality seems purely evil to me.
Religion seems devoid of any real good.
Morals? I can be a nice person. Anyone can, religion or not.
The only reason a person would want to convert others is to control them, save them from an insane and violent fate with no evidence of it's existence, or simply because they were told to convert people by their holy book. Buddhists don't do this. Only religious people of religions commanded by "god".
Converting people is literally the same as infecting them with a virus. It lets a person stop questioning.
"How did life form?"
There's either "God did it." and that's it.
Or you can look deeper into it and really find out how it could happen.
God is a metaphor for the unknown, for lies, an excuse for violence and inaction, an utter psychological nightmare founded on fear of death and the complexity and darkness of the unknown, which gives no real answer other than to mindlessly "believe" or "have faith".
It's corrupted and purely evil, and can only hurt people, as it has been doing quite well in the past, and even now.
I understand completely where you stand, and I do not tell you what you believe in is wrong. I do not attempt to convert anyone with my opinions. I do however, get disappointed when people like you claim those who believe are ignorant lairs, that's complete bullshit. You have this great beef for those who believe and act like we're uneducated (or that I am uneducated) as compared to what? To you? Like I said before, you know nothing more or less than what I believe in. And I know nothing more or less than what you believe in. I believe because I'm allowed to and I want to. I don't call you a lair and ignorant for not believing, why call me this?
If you were correct, if this was an even debate where there WAS some amount of proof for a supernatural god, then perhaps I wouldn't be so critical, but it is the other way. It has been religion for millennia pushing it's religious doctrine upon people.
If religion was only a source of good, I would not be so critical, but instead it oppresses and divides people. It is NOT good.
And as for learning, what have you done to learn? You think you're as smart as I am and that we know an exactly equal amount?
I don't know, but I have done quite a bit of research that it appears you have not done.
However, I do not even know what you believe. Until you care to tell me exactly how you think reality works, then I will continue to dish out vague insults to "religion and the supernatural".
Since man cant explain all things by science and much of science is theoretical - looking for proof is like looking for the needle, Belief in God is a matter of faith, given that it cant be proven one way or the other then we must ask ourselves what is the most likely explanation. The Earth and all the syatems working within it seem to me (an engineer) to have been designed and constructed which must have had a designer. As it says in Genesis God Created it he therefore is the designer and manufacturer. and lets face it if you make something don't you just love it!!!!!
Yes He did but in most of those case Man brought it opon himself but since you probably havent read up on the subject the plagues you refer to and indeed The Ark were Old Testament - after the coming of Jesus God promised he would no longer interfere. The suffering you refer to is due to people like you who dont believe in Jesus and God.... He only helps thse who help themselves so it seems. try praying for enlightenment - in your own words!!!
As JFK said "Ask not what your country can do for you - but what can you do for your country"
God does exist, as life was created for a reason. if atheists believe their notions, then they think that all life including ourselves are an accident, a cosmic coincidence. I don't think so. I believe that there is a god and he is constantly watching and us, as we are his creation.
The more and more I learn about our existence and philosophy, the more and more I believe in the positive existence of some supernatural, extra-natural, omnipotent, being that itself is the universe and everything (and also nothing).
Hey Guys! I agree that there is such a thing as god, but in many different forms. Nature is just another form of god. God is our believe. He has created us, you say evolution but its just a theory. But not confirmed fully.
I shall give an example; Water.
Water in english is 'Water'.
But Water in Chinese is '水'.
Water in Malay is 'air'.
Water in Tamil is 'தண்ணீர்'.
You can clearly see that it is water, but look at the different names it has from different languages. All of it mean the same thing. Other religions have different names for their gods. But they are all the same. Atheist calls it Science.
If nature is nature, and there is no evidence for the supernatural, then why call it a god or angel or demon or spirit?
Why not just call it a beautiful, vast universe, filled with life and stars and light?
It is the same to us mortals. It is not as if you look up at night and see god's face and it talks to you. There is no god, only stars.
You could call stars the face of god in the night, but why? It is metaphorical there, and if you wish for real knowledge, then you would know that they are not actually faces of gods, but only stars, of which you can find out how they work and why they are there.
It is much more fascinating in my opinion to call the universe the universe, and enjoy it for what it is, rather than for what I wish it was.
Well have you been to the universe and experienced it yourself? No. Same as for seeing god. No one has ever seen god, but why do we believe in him, cause he teaches us good ethics and moral values. No one said it is wrong to not believe in god, or the real life. But The things around you is only reinforced by people, which they think its true, cause thats the best option in their mind. How is it that thousands of years ago, during the starting stages of civilization like the Chandra Gupta Dynasty, Aryabhatta who was a mathematician and astronomer, was able to find out the motions of the solar systems, and earths rotation, without using advanced tools. That is because they were driven by the force of god, due to their passion, they want to continue learning more and proving themselves to others.
The truth is we were the monkeys all along... or we came from them, and originated from their incarnation. Therefore we are one with monkey as the monkey is one with us. If you stare into the monkey, the monkey stares right back. The monkey is meaning of life for it is life.
The monkey disrupts the null void. It stirs chaos- it creates change.
The monkey is the epitome of the universe. It is simultaneously null, yet spontaneous which creates a chaos all by itself.
The monkey was created by a zero that was divided into different parts that add up to zero, therefore hgdaghyraphf. And the unicorn StrIkes back.$$$werrd;;''-_-'asdafsdff----.............----- 42.
I believe in God. I also believe in the role science plays in our societies. This argument is based upon absolutes that we truly have no realistic reference points to make such claims. Confused? I base my stance on faith, I feel, sense, smell, taste, and see the wonders of God all around me and it is great. But if you look at this from a purely impartial point... Technically we would both be wrong. So as I state this it does come out hypocritically for I know that I am according to this theory for I believe in something that can not be proven until death. But I stay the faith in God and Jesus regardless of what man and woman do or say.
Then I believe you appreciate every detail and beauty of life.. I think anyone can respect that.. but it really isnt that difficult to have that same appreciation without using God as a reason. Why not just the value of life.. In which we have a spiritual connections with ourself and the world around us. which is a gift all humans and all life posses regardless of religion.
I like your post! Yes regardless of religion these are all things we can share. This beauty is for everyone even if you don't believe in God. It was made for us to share and respect. I like how this is going!
I would ask if there is not a creator of all things, then how did life begin? If all things created signal a intelligence, how did information come from random chance? If not for a God to give morality then why do people care about right or wrong?
Yes there is a God!
People do not want to reconize God because they do not want to answer for their wickedness. They do not want to answer for their greed. They do not want to answer for immorality.
Of course there is a God. Only fools believe otherwise. The question isn't is there a God but how can a physical person communicate with a nonphysical/spiritual entity. Does one not agree that you as an individual do not keep your lungs exhaling/inhaling while you sleep or your heart pumping blood through your veins? Do not your inherent faculties function independent of you and your governance? What is that running the show then? The hidden power is not life itself but rather the life giver for many things are dead but have they not also been created or if you prefer do they not also exist? Think not that there is no God, for your mind is then limited to only what you have conjured but think openly and with prudence.
Any proof he doesn't? Prove it with actual scientific fact(it will involve finding out every speck of knowledge from where one atom moved from to what lies beyond hyperspace and how it was made to why the world works exactly how it does to meeting aliens and discussing it with them to allot of other stuff you need to discover that you need to discover about. Long process ,just believe that he does(better safe than sorry) :D
There is but we can't really understand "God" It is a concept way beyond our thinking, its like a rabbit trying to understand how a computer works maybe. But I certainly believe in God. I believe there is some sort of supernatural power or something.
yes there is a god what was that guys name that got put on the cross o thats right jesus god bless you all horriable way to live life without some sort of belief...............
God does in fact exist, they have been able to prove every known religion false, they have proven evolution false, they are not able to prove the bible false it is 100% accurate, they have not been able to prove Christianity false, watch the video "A Case for a Creator"
yes there is a god.it may be any religion every religion believes in god. god is there or else how the human kind,plants and every thing is created?any evidences are not there there is no god.if god is not there how the revelations have come to holy books. majority of people living in the world believes in god.if we certainly get a shocking news we just say,Oh!my god. if god is not there then why god word comes out of mouth.
No one can say? I can say there are no proofs, humans have been waiting for over a thousand years for the predicted events in the Bible to no avail. Should we just forever for these to happen, and hope for the best? I apologize, but I don't think this is an accurate claim of yours.
God as in the general concept of one would be a philosophical question of which i consider there to be sufficient proof to rationally accept the plausible existence of God.
The existence of an involved "creator" style God also seems probable to me and i find the salvation theory in christianity to be the most plausible.
Since you guys think there is no such thing as god. Let me ask you this question. When you were born, your parents teach you the proper way of eating and wearing clothes etc. You do not know before you were born, but only when someone told you. How is it that you are able to believe that but not the existence of god?
You maybe thinking that there are many different types of gods, but i think there is only one god who came in different forms, to address each and everyone of you, to define who you are. For example there is two boys in the school with the same name, but different looks. They use the looks to define who you are, not with your name. Its the same concept. God is there to define us, to show who we are, to give us a steady path in life.
This whole statement is your opinion and cannot be backed up with evidence. Until you can provide evidence that God comes in different forms to teach us all, to define us and to put us on a good path, I simply cannot believe this.
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I don't believe that a God exists currently. I don't completely toss away the idea that there's a creator, but I'm convinced there isn't a God that plays any part in our present lives or world at all.
I seem to recall you saying that you were not an atheist, but that you were agnostic. But judging by your position, it now appears as if you are an agnostic atheist. You do not believe a god exists, but you believe it is still possible that a god exists.
Also, it appears that if you do find out that a creator exists, that he is not a personal god.
It's not that I don't believe a god exists, I can't say either way. I just think it's more likely that a personal god does not exist. I still stand by being agnostic. Leaning more towards one way or the other shifts with the day.
Leaning more towards one way or the other shifts with the day.
So some days you believe god exists, and some days you do not believe god exists?
I would imagine you are familiar with the phrase agnostic atheist, but just in case you're not it means: "the existence or non existence of god is currently unknown or unknowable, but i lack belief in God".
Either way, you're agnostic. And depending on your mood each day, you could be an agnostic theist one day, and an agnostic atheist the next day. Does that make sense? Or did I explain it poorly?
Exactly , indeed . God bless you. i beleive that the god exists , but as many others i can not surely explain it. Everything created by god serves human beings. The Sun , Moon , Nature , Earth all serve to us and it would be disrespect to God if we do not beleive in Him.
NO SO CALLED god THAT IS WORTH THINKING IS AROUND OR EVEN WORSHIPPING . THE ONLY THING WORTH LOVING AS A GOD IS MY MACHINE AND MY THINGS THAT I LOVE AND CHERISH .
HELLNO THERE IS NO GOD , god damn it . PEOPLE JUST TRY TO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING THAT ISN'T THERE , WHAR A BIG WASTE OF TIME , I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO LOVING MY MACHINE , HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA .
Even i don't believe that there's a god. But surely there is a supreme power which brings all the forces together and thus creating a unique planet like ours.
Till now, there is no proof that god exists. And visual evidences are not scientifically acceptable. If he does exist, then HOW does he exist? Where? You don't say heaven because there is nothing like that.
Since we cant even explain how gravity works or begin to duplicate even the most simple of God designs like Evaporation and desalination of the sea condensation into rain and precipitation to give us drinking water. looking for proof either way is probably impossible. What you should try is to decide is, what is the most likely cause of the earths complex systems. For example if you visited a scrapyard and found in its middle a cutting edge passenger Jet, would you assume that a whirlwind must have passed through the scrapyard and assembled it by chance or would you think it had been designed and manufactured and transported to the scrapyard due to Health and Safety Legislation :)
As I have said we humans would know I meant ALL OF THE HUMAN KIND,and what you are saying that some of us do know,is not correct statement because all you know are only stories and various interpretations about God and what God is and what God is not..
DO YOU HAVE 100% PROVE THAT GOD DOES EXIST!!!???
Talking and writing about it and having many theological interpretations and stories is not the prove for whole human kind...
Q :How science has accepted there was a big bang ?
A: they found traces of it ? the have not seen it but they have traces of it, as cosmological radiation, redShift(Expanding universe) ...
For me the proof is not essentially what we see, sometimes we can not prove the existence of something with sight, we use critical thinking.
Here is my view:
In science we admit the causality, . The cause of the event was itself caused by a prior cause, which was affected by a previous cause, and so on back.
Because we can not continue to an infinite cause-event we must admit the principle of the original cause and uncaused First Cause (like the who push the first domino ).
This is an important argument that make us believe that there is external (out of the univers) force who made that.
If we think of this force we must admit that this force is space-time independent and immaterial.
there is another scientific argument: The fine tuning ... (I know that the atheist try to disprove this by making new theory of Multi-verse , even if there is multiverse the question still the same where they come from.
So Stop pretending that science is on the side atheist
Exactly,you just said it yourself :It depend on your definition of proof...
So according to your own statement about definition of proof,nothing is really for sure,we can debate into infinity but true answer does not come out because everyone's definition of proof is different ......
So there is really no point in talking about God...
My friend do you have 100% proof that God doesnt exist you cant do that can you. Surely you have lived long enough to know that it is not possible to convince all od the people all of the time on anything there is always gonna be one and it looks like your it mate!!!
Here is one for you how come some atheists pray when they are in trouble - if God doesnt exist they must be mad - well I knew that anyhow
My friend! , I am in total agreement with you...I was preparing to say exactly that by next argument that in many hospice hospitals ,people who were atheist professed their faith in God at the end of their life...
This is why I said that atheist and agnostics complement each other and are not much different,but some people here told me that I misunderstood concept on atheism and agnosticism...
All I am saying that these two are practically the same..
Also it is well known that people who were atheist like Stalin and Tito etc. also professed their faith in God secretly and at the end of their life...
Also it is well known that people who were atheist like Stalin and Tito etc. also professed their faith in God secretly and at the end of their life...
Do you have a link for Stalin's death bed conversion? I did my own google search and could find no such thing.
My friend do you have 100% proof that God doesnt exist you cant do that can you
What makes you think he needs 100% proof that god does not exist? If that were the case, then why don't you believe in fairies, unicorns, sorcery, alchemy, or werewolves? Your arguments are paper thin...
Here is one for you how come some atheists pray when they are in trouble - if God doesnt exist they must be mad - well I knew that anyhow
If I had to guess, I would say that it's because they're in a desperate time of need, and that just this once they're hoping they're wrong about God not existing so that he can help them through their troublesome time. But hoping God exists will not make God exist, so the effort is likely futile.
Do People Intervene? More importantly do you intervene? The world would be a much better place if people asked themselves that question? Instead of blaming God for everything as though they are mindless dummies who have no power to shape the world they live in whether they do it in a classroom, their homes, their neighborhoods, or even at a national level. Perhaps people should stop having million dollar weddings for their puppies and comparing the cost of their child's slippers while others don't have potable water. Of course it's their democratic right to do as they please but a little humanity could co a long way. to the average person; stop buying every color of one top in one style and help someone else. Of course, however, you can do as you see fit. Who am I to say?
See I'm pretty sure you value you free will and you prefer to have it versus being controlled and having every decision made for you. I do. The problem is that free will is ubiquitous; it's everybody's gift and right. The other more pressing problem is that every action or word said affects another human being. We all know that but not many of us care. People seem to equate lack of perfection in the world with the non-existence of a God. Why does understanding the mechanics behind the solar system or reproduction more specifically human reproduction make it any less of a miracle especially in light of all the knowledge we have yet to acquire as it regards the utter perfection in which the earth functions; the sheer synchronicity of it all.
People may think me silly for believing in a God or see it as a surrender of my intellectual abilities but hey if you think a big bang or theories of that ilk can account for all that you see around you ; if that is more plausible to you who am I to say nay?
God told us he wont intervene directly its up to you and me and the rest of mankind to stop the suffering, However there is evidence that prayer can cause intervention.
Open your mind people and see , we are having a serious debate and are not discussing dragons
"A person of faith would say that this study is interesting," Mr. Barth said, "but we've been praying a long time and we've seen prayer work, we know it works, and the research on prayer and spirituality is just getting started."
Really just makes you realise that they really do reject reality, science, and results, just because they know something. Good article.
Ok If there is no evidence then please tell me where is your evidence that I am wrong as I am sure you will realise it is not possible to prove or disprove the existance of a creator. All we have to go on is observation and your observations lead you to conclude what is most likely solution. I believe for me there is sufficient evidence to lead me to conclude that the Universe was created. There is no need to be abusive unless you feel threatened by the existance of a being superior to you
taking the side of an abrahmic god is a sure defeat. but then again if such being really reveal itself non-believers will only believe out of fear. like some sort of spy. and the world will be in complete chaos.