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Debate Score:30
Arguments:28
Total Votes:31
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Is University/College really necessary?

Does a person really need to go to university or college to be successful?

Yes

Side Score: 11
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No

Side Score: 19
2 points

For me yes. I'm qualified in law and I'm hopefully starting a medical degree soon to become a doctor.

Side: Yes

Good luck Dr. Atrag. I hope you have an awesome career. What field of medicine have you chosen?

Side: Yes
Atrag(5666) Disputed
1 point

I haven't started medical school yet.

Side: No
1 point

Unless you're an artist of some kind.

Side: Yes
DrawFour(2662) Disputed
2 points

that's adding a clause to it. Without the clause of being an artists, the answer is no.

Side: No
Jace(5222) Disputed
1 point

Depending on the type of art you go into, most artists will benefit greatly from having some form of higher education in their field. This is true of the performance arts, visual arts, musical arts, etc. You can get some of this through mentorship though, but a degree paves the way greatly (much as is true of non-artistic careers).

Side: No
Hitler(2364) Disputed
1 point

A degree in art is like a lack of them in science. It will not be looked at as anything.

Side: Yes
1 point

It's all fun and games.  

Side: Yes
1 point

It depends on what you want to do. Some professions expressly require that you have a higher education degree, others do not but having one helps, others don't and you don't need one.

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes, I am working on degree in Mathematics and Physics and I will go for Ph.D in Theoretical Physics because I want to go into research and University is a must.

Side: Yes
2 points

"It is clearly absurd to limit the term 'education' to a person's formal schooling."

― Murray N. Rothbard,

Side: No
2 points

Ha! A good percentage of millionaires/wealthy celebrities didn't, so no. Let's not forget being born into a wealthy family, then handed a company/business.

Is college good for you though? I'd say on paper.

Side: No

Most of the time it is necessary to be successful but it is not at all impossible to be without going. Some people just have these opportunities fall on their lap and then end up better off than a lot of people who do go to university.

Side: No
1 point

Honestly, it would be great if they taught people skills they could actually land a decent job with. I have a degree and I always thought it was a waste. I only went to college because I dropped out of high school... sadly, I graduated near the top of my class- I say sadly because I really didn't like it and couldn't believe that despite my complete apathy I easily surpassed many of my peers. I just saw it as paying a penance to my family. Having pretty solid street smarts, I always found myself wondering what the hell any of that crap being taught had to do with reality. I worked a corporate job for peanuts afterward (not even $50,000/year) under the assumption things would get better (news flash, its just a huge waste of time since corporations screw all equally and they see a college grad only as an expendable tool with massive debt to be exploited) and eventually ended up making double that as a truck driver which I could have done without college in the first place (took some time). What we need are more tradespeople who know how to get things done... sadly, I think College exists to force the unsuspecting into massive debt and make the populace more reliant on a system that doesn't care if they live or die, so long as those who run it profit from their misery. Real knowledge is power... and that knowledge is the ability to get things done- not preach theory.

Side: No

I want to be a successful mountain man.

I don't need college for thees.

Side: No
1 point

Is college necessary to be successful? No. Can it be enriching and make it easier to succeed in your chosen passion? yes. Overall what will really help you be successful in the world will be critical thinking skills, money and time management skills, interview skills, a polished resume, and above all, contacts and experience. Contacts and experience trump everything. If you know people and you have the field skills, you'll find jobs much more easily.

I'm probably missing a few other things, but they're all things that you don't necessarily need college for. However, I must admit that I'm not taking into account learning styles. I learn more quickly with structure and pressure, so I'm not a very good self-learner. x:

Side: No
1 point

Is University/College really necessary?

Concerning finances, attaining a standard University diploma is not at all necessary in order to thrive in America, as other options exist in abundance. To briefly discuss but a few, let us focus in on vocational training, real estate, and "penny pinching" while working at the local corner store.

First, consider the route of vocational training. Standard jobs in this grouping include Electrician, Plumber, HVAC Technician, Installer/Repairer, Dental Hygienest, etc. etc., all of which pay $40,000-$80,000 a year on average. As of 2018, the average starting salary of a University graduate is $50,000 per year. Hence, the flat rate difference is non-existent, or even detrimental to the University grad when compared side-to-side. Further, the average University graduate has accumulated $30,000 of debt, which would definitively reveal vocational training as the superior path to succeed monetarily.

Second, real estate provides an individual with the means to generate passive income as well as having their own investments make money for them, unlike a wage/"9-5". Through purchasing property, one can get other people to pay off their mortgage as well as further income that will allow them to purchase further property, that will in turn produce further earnings. It is a very solid, simple strategy that works every time, as long as the individual does not get greedy and take unnecessary risks.

Third, and finally, working at the local corner store and "penny pinching" is yet another very basic, effective strategy for financial success. For instance, take the example of a local grocery store yearly wage earnings. The standard worker will begin at minimum wage, or very close, making approximately $7.25 per hour the first year, with yearly raises that typically go to about $17 an hour, and added benefits for long-standing full-time workers such as health coverage. Then, if a person works 60 hours a week the first few years, they will earn $21,000 up to $30,000 annually as the wage increases. A single apartment can be found for $725 a month rent, low electricity usage, say $35 a month, grocery bill at $225 a month, no cable, basic internet (if desired) for $50, and walk/bicycle to work and bussing for elsewhere (therefore, no car bill nor insurance). Then, even after this initial low hourly wage period, they will be able to save about $35,000. With that money, they can purchase a condo or small townhouse, where the mortgage will be considerably less than rent payment, approximately $350 a month, as well as earning a higher base wage and benefits package (health coverage, possibly tuition assistance programs as well), and will be able to transition over to a 40 hour work week from that point onward and sustain a local lifestyle. Also, a vehicle could be comfortably purchased if desired. As years accumulate, they approach the $17 an hour cap, which is nearly $35,000 per year. Now with other expenses being less than or equal to $1000 a month, this implies they will be able to save $20,000 per year. After "x" amount of years of doing this, they will easily be able to either (a) go down to a leisurely part-time hours, say 10-20 per week (b) work seasonally (c) take "x" years off and "y" on, in order to support their lifestyle comfortably.

In conclusion, we have seen how, in America, if one has a sensible plan, follows it rather than succumbing to the vice of overindulgence, they will be able to monetarily succeed and support a very comfortable lifestyle. A few such strategies have been outlined, namely (a) vocational training (b) real estate (c) local work and frugalness. These are very straightforward, simple, and effective strategies that work every time when implemented inside of the pre-specified boundaries.

Side: No
1 point

My tenth grade education I got 38 years ago is equivalent to what you could get in most colleges today. Don't waste your money. You'd be better off going to a tech school.

Side: No
james8293(87) Disputed
1 point

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Side: Yes