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Finally, yes Huh.... No!
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white guilt

- By Tom Adkins -

Look at my fellow conservatives! There they go, glumly shuffling along, depressed by the election aftermath. Not me. I'm virtually euphoric. Don't get me wrong. I'm not thrilled with America 's flirtation with neo socialism. But there's a massive silver lining in those magical clouds that lofted Barak Obama to the Presidency. For today, without a shred of intellectually legitimate opposition, I can loudly proclaim to America : The Era of White Guilt is over.

This seemingly impossible event occurred because the vast majority of white Americans didn't give a fluff about skin color, and enthusiastically pulled the voting lever for a black man. Not just any black man. A very liberal black man who spent his early career race-hustling banks, praying in a racist church for 20 years, and actively worked with America-hating domestic terrorists. Wow! Some resume! Yet they made Barak Obama their leader. Therefore, as of Nov 4th, 2008, white guilt is dead.

For over a century, the millstone of white guilt hung around our necks, retribution for slave-owning predecessors. In the 60s, American liberals began yanking that millstone while sticking a fork in the eye of black Americans, exacerbating the racial divide to extort a socialist solution. But if a black man can become President, exactly what significant barrier is left? The election of Barak Obama absolutely destroys the entire validation of liberal white guilt. The dragon is hereby slain.

Finally, yes

Side Score: 8

Huh.... No!

Side Score: 30

Here's the rest of it. Don't blame me if you don't like what this guy has to say. I just post this stuff ;)

So today, I'm feeling a little "uppity," if you will. From this day forward, my tolerance level for having my skin color hustled is now exactly ZERO. And it's time to clean house. No more Reverend Wright's "God Damn America ," Al Sharpton's Church of Perpetual Victimization , or Jesse Jackson's rainbow racism. Cornell West? You're a fraud. Go home. All those "black studies" programs that taught kids to hate whitey? You must now thank Whitey. And I want that on the final.

Congressional Black Caucus? Irrelevant. Maxine Waters? Shut up. ACORN? Outlawed. Black Panthers? Go home and pet your kitty. Black separatists? Find another nation that offers better dreams. Go ahead. I'm waiting.

Gangsta rappers? Start praising America . Begin with the Pledge of Allegiance. And please…no more ebonics. Speak English, and who knows where you might end up? Oh, yeah…pull up your pants. Your underwear is showing. You look stupid.

To those Eurosnots who forged entire careers hating America ? I'm still waiting for the first black French President.

And let me offer an equal opportunity whupping. I've always despised lazy white people. Now, I can talk smack about lazy black people. You're poor because you quit school, did drugs, had three kids with three different fathers, and refuse to work. So when you plop your Colt 45-swilling, Oprah watchin' butt on the couch and complain"Da Man is keepin' me down," allow me to inform you: Da Man is now black. You have no excuses.

No more quotas. No more handouts. No more stealing my money because someone's great-great-great-great grandparents suffered actual pain and misery at the hands of people I have no relation to, and personally revile.

It's time to toss that massive, obsolete race-hustle machine upon the heap of the other stupid 60s ideas. Drag it over there, by wife swapping, next to dope-smoking. Plenty of room right between free love and cop-killing. Careful…don't trip on streaking. There ya go, don't be gentle. Just dump it. Wash your hands. It's filthy.

In fact, Obama's ascension created a gargantuan irony. How can you sell class envy and American unfairness when you and your black wife went to Ivy League schools, got high-paying jobs, became millionaires, bought a mansion, and got elected President? How unfair is that??? Now, Like a delicious O'Henry tale, Obama's spread-the-wealth campaign rendered itself moot by it's own victory! America is officially a meritocracy. Obama's election has validated American conservatism!

So, listen carefully…Wham!!!

That's the sound of my foot kicking the door shut on the era of white guilt. The rites have been muttered, the carcass lowered, dirt shoveled, and tombstone erected. White guilt is dead and buried.

However, despite my glee, there's apparently one small, rabid bastion of American racism remaining. Black Americans voted 96% for Barak Obama. Hmmm. In a color-blind world, shouldn't that be 50-50? Tonight, every black person should ask forgiveness for their apparent racism and prejudice towards white people. Maybe it's time to start spreading the guilt around.

Side: Finally, yes
Bradf0rd(1428) Disputed
3 points

No, in communism you get 50-50 elections. In America, you get 96% because people want to elect someone who isn't a douche bag.

It's good that you don't feel guilty though, because it's nothing that you've done directly, I hope. Segregation on the basis of skin color or ethnicity should be left in the 1900's with Hitler.

Also, by stereotyping black people as "colt-45-swilling" and "Oprah watching", you are essentially feeding the very monster that you've proclaimed to free yourself from.

Side: Huh.... No!

I know! Right?

BTW, I hope you're directing that stuff to Tom Adkins. I didn't write that stuff.

Side: Huh.... No!
4 points

White guilt is not dead for me because I never had it. This might sound cold, but I was raised to treat every one equally regardless of their skin color. Why should I feel guilty for things I have never done? My husband is part German, should he feel guilty for what Hitler did? There are still plenty of racist, ignorant people out there, I just try not to be one of them, and I won't beat myself up because they do exist.

Side: Huh.... No!
2 points

Agreed. "White guilt" is a term invented by conservatives seeking to block anti-discrimination efforts. Affirmative action was a rational set of ideas intended to break cyclical discrimination, feelings of guilt had little or nothing to do with it.

Side: Huh.... No!
4 points

I'm going to completely ignore the Joe's quote of whatever lunatic he got that from, and instead explain something to conservatives that is completely beyond their comprehension.

And I know, before you start, you're going to say "uh aw! I never said that! that must mean it's true!" then you'll say in your head, but not out loud, "ha! got him!"

So before you go celebrating that, I just want to say I saw it coming.

This whole debate stems from an underlying belief by conservatives that a large part of Obama's election is due to this mythical "white guilt," (which by the way no white person has ever, ever claimed having, that aside...) it's upside down and backwards racism.

"I really really don't believe a black person can lead the country, I feel guilty about that belief, therefore I'm voting for a black person," then on the other side, "people are just going to vote for him because... (see above quote)" then on the other side, "poor black people, they were slaves way back before anyone alive knew anyone alive who could remember, so I'm voting for a black person," then on the other side, "there's still racism, this will go a long way toward healing that, I'm voting for a black person (which happens to be right, but should be irrelevant.")

See what happened there? I just used more words talking about the color of a persons skin than like any arguement on this debate so far.

That whole paragraph was racism. Not all racism wears sheets, or posts a confederate flag, or gets a tatoo of a black fist.

That's why Obama won.

There's a whole generation of people, 18-24, that are thouroughly and rightly confused by the entire discussion.

Because the fact is, Obama won because he was the best candidate.

And had it been a white person who came out against the Iraq war from day one, and who could inspire a generation, he would have won.

If it were a girl, she would have won.

Hispanic, Indian, etc.

That quote provided by Joe is the problem. That anyone's time should be spent considering such poisonous thoughts is the problem. This entire debate is the problem.

White guilt? How about guilt that we now torture people? That were in the bottom 50% of all developed countries in education and healthcare? That the unemployment rate keeps rising? Or that we are not taking care of our vets, and sending them to foreign countries for longer missions with no realistic or even existing goal?

No, white guilt has been laid to rest. Not because it should or should not have ever existed, but because the majority of the American population decided in no uncertain terms, that the color or a person's skin has no bearing on his potential. That every American should be given every opportunity and that we will be lead by those who are most qualified.

Continuing the debate on skin color does nothing for anyone who is looking forward. It only serves to divide, regardless of what your thoughts on it are, and it should be ignored, or made fun of by people like myself who enjoy making fun of dumb people.

Side: white what

I liked what you said, I even gave you an up vote but I think that the guy in question (I think you referred to him as a lunatic ;) is trying to say that he's just sick and tired of people playing the race card at the drop of a hat and blaming all their problems on whitey.

Side: Huh.... No!
3 points

unfortunately, logic will always surpass the extremely liberal mind. i like what krisely (sp?) said, in that she never felt guilt in the first place... why should whites feel guilty? because 200 years ago blacks were slaves... big fuckin' deal, blacks held Italians as slaves, and they raped plenty of the Italian women... are you saying blacks should feel guilty about what their ancestors did to Italians a long ass fuckin' time ago? No, because it wasn't THEM.

Should Atheist Russians feel guilty for what Stalin did to Christians?

Should stupid people feel bad for what Pou Pal did to Intellectuals (or what he thought were intellectuals, seriously, what a moron).

No, the past is past. We should avoid the same mistakes, but we shouldn't feel responsible, because we aren't.

Side: Huh.... No!
Bradf0rd(1428) Disputed
2 points

No one should feel guilty for slavery and all of that, but what about the general issue of racism? This is what I feel guilty for, maybe because I don't feel like I say enough about it to people who are racist. I don't defend my fellow man, wether he's black or whatever. I don't stand up for them because I guess I'm waiting for the racists to grow old and die.

Side: Finally, yes
ThePyg(6737) Disputed
1 point

racism will always exist. I wish proper education was more enforced, but unfortunately, it is not. but even then, we can't stop racism. the human's emotion usually surpasses their logic.

it's better that we make fun of it than just feel all bad about it. lets face it, it's there, now lets attack it with everyone pointing their fingers and laughing. I don't worry about the Rednecks in their white hoods, and i don't worry about the Black Panthers and their Islamic brotherhood. instead, i just make fun of them. a lot more enjoyable, and a lot less of a downer.

Side: Huh.... No!

Bradf0rd, while it is noble of you to want to change others, you really cannot... but I love your spirit and drive to have the desire to make the world a better place! You can, and should, try to defend your fellow man, and say some thing when you do hear racist, or sexist, or any other sort of discriminatory remarks. But please, don't feel bad yourself if you cannot change them.

Side: Huh.... No!

You are 100% right! "...the past is past. We should avoid the same mistakes, but we shouldn't feel responsible, because we aren't."

PS- It's Kirstie (just like Kirstie Alley from TV), but I am very used to people getting my name wrong.

Side: Huh.... No!
2 points

I do feel guilty because skin color or race shouldn't ever be a topic unless it is related to culture.

I was talking with a black girl yesterday at the college I go to, and even she mentioned how some people say that a certain professor grades blacks and whites differently. She said it was bullshit, and he didn't but that most black people that come in just aren't as interested in class or being on time as white people. Rather than making it an issue, she just said that they come from different parts of town, with different sociological backgrounds, and this is to blame, not skin color.

I felt guilty then, knowing that she had to even think about it. Anglo Americans are to blame for this, and I am of decent, so I feel guilty that race or skin color is even mentioned before statistics and social class.

Even though we've elected a black president, it doesn't mean that there isn't something still wrong. If we're making a big deal about a black president, then it's obviously something that we recognize as unusual or something to mention.

Also, the article above is biased.

Side: Huh.... No!
DoTheMath(3) Disputed
1 point

Something is wrong, but it's not us making a big deal about a black president. Ever since white people were blamed by the media for being born, they've been aching for something to celebrate as "proof" they aren't racist. How about the fact that other races from all over the world travel to America so they can live amongst and bitch about the white man. How about the fact that the white man is the only country majority that plays thought police and mutes himself, suppressing history to hide the fact that most colonist slaves were white and that Africans owned white slaves before the trade even traveled to America (Hoffman), or the fact that if one white man tries to defend himself, other white men shut him up, calling it "hate speech" and removing his freedom of expression. Some white men even call it hate speech to quote crime statistics, at which last count black men killed whites at a rate of 22 times the rate whites killed blacks (FBI's October Uniform Crime Reports of 1993, cited pg. 294 of "Why Race Matters" by Michael Levin). Through government programs and scholarships, there's already an annual white to black transfer of wealth in the billions, yet whites quake when blacks speak of reparations for an institution of slavery that whites suffered as well, and evidence indicates more (both books). The reason whites are so focused on race is cause our focus is forced there by "guilt" propaganda. We'd love to ignore it and pretend it doesn't matter. Will blacks ever allow that? Anyway, if you are white, should you ever decide to learn about your heritage (the slavery and suffering part), Charles Dickens wrote Oliver Twist, a story about an orphan in a workhouse who narrowly escapes becoming a chimney sweep (which deformed or killed 4-year-old boys, yet they still had to beg in the streets for food). If Scrooge's question "Are there no workhouses?" has you wondering what a workhouse is, read: "They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America" by Michael A. Hoffman II, "White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain's White Slaves in America" by Don Jordan and Michael Walsh, and "The White Slave: Another Picture of Slave Life in America" by Richard Hildreth. Here are some interesting links:;=1

And yes, you are right that the above article is biased. Most articles are biased against whites anymore. I've learned to live with it.

Side: Finally, yes