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Yes, your vote keeps it legal No, this is the no fault USA
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Is a person who votes for Democrats responsible for late term abortions?

Do you think a person who supports a party that supports late term abortions for any reason, is responsible for aborted late term Babies no matter if the Baby & Mother are healthy. You did not choose to abort the baby but you kept it legal to do so with your vote. This is not about life of mother or other extreme cases. This is about the majority of late term abortions for any reason such as Downs Syndrome Babies or any other reason.

Now please explain how this would be different from the arguments of Germans who said they were personally against Killing Jewish people, but aligned themselves more with the Nazi party on other issues. The Germans knew Jewish people were being killed but said they were not one issue voters. This is why they supported the Nazi's. Are these German's responsible for the deaths of Jews & how is that any different from voting for the very Democrats who keep late term bortions legal for any reason.

Yes, your vote keeps it legal

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No, this is the no fault USA

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So for all the people who think voting over one issue is foolish, explain how you would vote if a Democrat were a KKK member. Would that one issue not effect your vote even though you supported his other stances? How about if a Democrat wanted to ban all Abortions at any stage, would you still vote for him if his opponent were pro choice.

To me this question points out the total hypocrisy of those who say they are personally pro life. Would you vote for a Politician who supported the right to kill newborns up to 3 months old? All of a sudden you would say NO WAY! You would say that one issue would stop you from voting for him. But when it comes to an unborn late term Baby (who is obviously no different a couple weeks before birth than after birth), you all of a sudden say it would not change your vote? That kind of pro life to me is so shallow & not real in the least. If you personally believe that he is a living growing human being who deserves the same right to life as the 3 months old child, how could you vote to allow him to be aborted.

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal

Abortion is not a moral issue like drugs, sex, alcohol, etc. It is an issue of humanity, a living growing innocent life & you better believe most Conservatives would vote to save the lives of those late term Babies other than life of mother or extreme exceptions. There is such a thing as humanity.

Remember when they stopped slavery because of the inhumanity to Black people? Would you have said that those making moral laws preventing slavery were a controlling moralistic group of people who want to force us all to live moral lives? No you would have said exactly what pro life people say. Would you have said words like "I am personally against slavery but it's the law of the land & therefore I can not tell another person what they should do with their slave. Sound familiar? You say pro life people are trying to tell others what to do with that unborn Baby. Yes we are, we are trying to speak on behalf of the Slave & the unborn Babies. Do you posses the honesty & intellect to see that simple fact? From my dealings with pro choice people, the answer would be no.

Shake the indoctrination from your brain cells & try thinking about simple humanity. Not everyone has a right to end the life of another innocent being just as no one should have the right to make slaves of people. Please spare me the fetus & bunch of cells rhetoric. The so called "compassionate" Democrat party support late term abortions for any reason at any stage.

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal
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I guess it does, but that is unlikely to be the only reason people vote democrat.... Don't hate on the democrats just because of this!

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal

Well I have yet to hear one person say whether they would vote for a Democrat who was pro slavery, even if you agreed with all his other stances. Gee what a shock!

Either answer the question or prove your hypocrisy & double standards when you say you would vote for a politician supporting late term abortions for any reason even though you were personally pro life.

Are you a one issue voter over slavery? It's sad the lies & excuses pro choice people make to support the inhumanity. I guess you prove the point that you don't truly care about late term babies as you would slaves. Being personally against slavery is the one issue affecting your vote but saving the life of a viable late term Baby does not affect your vote. How many ways can I show you your double standard & total lack of credibility on the issue of abortion.

It is obvious, when you support Democrats who support late term abortions for any reason, you are just as responsible as those who voted for pro slavery politicians.

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal

Pro choice people often bring up the plight of foster children to justify abortion on demand at any stage. The main reasons we have so many Foster kids are broken homes, parents who did not want the child & therefore should NOT have been having sex with someone they did not love, or who did not want any possible child conceived, or not willing to use birth control, etc. These are moral choices people make.

Most children who had a loving family & parents that died would be taken care of by relatives. This self love culture is creating foster children by the millions & most of it boils down to immorality.

If you care so for foster children, address the core reasons for their situations. I guess your answers are either aborting any so called possible foster child(as if you would ever know which children would not be adopted or wanted by their parents). Your answer would never involve speaking out on the amoral culture producing these foster kids because until you address the real cause, there will be more & more foster kids every decade. Follow the peace core's answer..... you don't keep giving people bushels of corn to stop the starvation, you give them the tools & knowledge to grow their own corn. PROBLEM SOLVED!

In this nation the problem is not starvation, it is immorality, irresponsibility & self love creating foster kids. The answer is education in moral values that would prevent the majority of broken homes. I realize that Liberals hate the very mention of morals & therefore refuse to address it. There is your core problem, people who REFUSE to address this immoral culture.

Their answer to the problem of foster kids is to end their lives them when they are younger. Can you even grasp the selfish nature of this mentality? The answer by pro choice people is the same as rounding up all the unwanted children & ending their lives as long as it is before they are born.

Are you the kind of person who would end the lives of special needs kids? Downs Syndrome children(special Olympic kids) are the majority of late term abortions.

Under your litany of excuses for abortions(which includes every abortion) many of you say it is ok to end the life of a Baby if the parents do not want it. WOW! Under that ludicrous excuse, dumping Babies into dumpsters must be ok to you. Oh that's right, those couple weeks before birth makes all the difference from dumping them in dumpsters to doing it with abortion.

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Talking with pro choice people is kind of like beating your head against the wall. I keep making the mistake of thinking I am talking to people who sometimes actually look within & ask themselves what kind of people they truly are and what they support.

One thing I've found is that the most adamant supporters of Abortion on demand are people who have had abortions. I'm not here to judge a person who has had an abortion. I'm trying to speak out on behalf of those innocent children who can not defend themselves. Kind of like Slavery. I want America to respect all innocent life just as we finally did for Slaves. Those slave owners screamed much like Pro choice people. You will not tell me what to do with my slave! You will not tell me what to do with my unborn Baby!

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal
simsim44(6) Disputed
2 points

They are not children! They are foetuses! There is a massive difference, a child is a born human who has human rights and is living independently. A foetus is an unborn developing human who has no rights. I agree that abortions shouldn't happen after about 3 months seeing as the child then becomes too much like a developed human. But before that, the foetus cannot think or feel. They live completely offf their mother and if they didn't they would die. In 90% of abortions, the foetus is no bigger than a large group of unspecified cells. Does that ball of cells deserve human rights?

Side: No, this is the no fault USA
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I agree with you. I believe life begins at birth. .

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal
FromWithin(8239) Disputed
1 point

You just said "I agree that abortions shouldn't happen after about 3 months seeing as the child then becomes too much like a developed human".

Read the name of this debate topic once more please. We are talking bout Democrats who vote for their party that supports late term abortions for any reason. So if you are against late term abortions for any reason, are you going to be yet one more phoney & say you are not responsible when you elect the very politicians who will keep it legal? So if a politician wanted to bring back slavery, you would still vote for him if you liked his other stances? Please think about what you support with your vote.

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal
Cartman(18192) Disputed
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I think it is funny that the people who want to create a law that bans abortions don't want to create laws to ban anything else.

Side: No, this is the no fault USA
FromWithin(8239) Disputed
1 point

It amazes me every person who wants Government laws to protect their life from a killer, does not care if an innocent Baby's life is protected by those same laws.

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal
Stickers(1037) Clarified
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1) Vehemently against abortion

2) Username is FromWithin

You sneaky fetus!

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal

As long as we're using nazis as an example- one of the tactics the nazis used to gain and maintain power were extorting and murdering dissidents. Would you continue to vocally support a pro-life position when you and your family were under a very real, very credible threat of death for doing so? I think not- If your choices were pro-choice or a bullet to the back of you and your immediate families heads, I imagine you might look at the issue quite differently- and if you value the lives of nameless potential people over that of your own and that of your family, your priorities are seriously out of whack.

If a given voter receives a significant amount of government assistance, voting republican for the pro-life issue also means supporting cutbacks to the assistance you are relying on to survive. While this is far less immediate and visceral than the threat of death for opposing the nazis, it's still a similar dillema.

Furthermore, only a small percentage of those who are pro-choice also support late term abortion, which itself is illegal in most of the US except under certain circumstances.

Incidentally, you've inadvertently hit on a huge problem with politics in the US- A politician can tailor his or her stance to garner the most number of votes possible specifically because any given demographic will reliably weight certain issues far more highly than others. A ridiculous platform that may hold zero possibility of success otherwise can rake in the votes by targeting these issues; near as I can tell, this is how more or less every politician gets elected these days, democrat, republican, or otherwise.

Side: No, this is the no fault USA
FromWithin(8239) Disputed
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Your comments on Nazi's killing people who were against killing Jews has absolutely nothing to do with my argument. Who cares what a person would say with a gun to his head. I would tell him anything he wanted to hear & then keep on fighting to stop the holocaust or late term abortions. Who is putting a gun to your head when you vote for that politician who keeps the late term abortions legal for any reason.

That is not a "potential" life! It is a life every bit the same as your's and mine deserving of the sames rights to life, Liberty & pursuit of happiness.

Spare me any arguments about Conservatives wanting to cut back on the rate of growth of social programs as if that would mean people would die. GET SOME SEMBLANCE OF REALITY HERE. If we do not cut back on these programs, THERE WILL BE NO PROGRAMS IN THE FUTURE! We will go bankrupt like Detroit. If you truly care about the poor, start balancing our budgets & that does not mean just cutting military. We need to cut across the board!!

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal
6 points

My comments regarding the Nazi's treatment of the Jews has everything to do with your argument, as it is pointing out a fundamental flaw with your analogy, as I indicated and you apparently at least managed to pick up on, even if you interpreted me incorrectly.

I did not say potential life- I said potential people. Nobody is arguing that a fetus is not biologically alive, because that's a patently ridiculous claim. However, a fetus is completely lacking the capacity for any form of thought or sensory input prior to partway through the second trimester; as such, it does not yet have any of the traits that we prescribe to personhood; compare a brain-dead individual. They are still biologically alive, but everything that made them a person is gone. For a first trimester fetus, everything that will eventually make them a person has not yet formed.

And for what it's worth, I agree with the conservatives somewhat on scaling back social programs- I was not arguing my personal stance or justification for voting Democrat, because I don't vote Democrat. Or Republican, for that matter, but thats another matter entirely. Rather, I was objecting to your short-sighted shoehorning of those who disagree with you, and pointing out (as others have) that there are more issues at stake. People on government assistance also tend, on the whole, to be poorly educated. Perhaps you're right, that its highly unlikely that anyone is going to die due to scaling back social programs- but try telling that to a person who relies on those programs and is already barely managing to keep their family afloat.

You need to work on the concept of entertaining an idea without having to adopt it, and you need to try putting yourself in others shoes before you start demonizing them. Republicans are not better than Democrats- they're equally fucked up, mostly in the same ways, with a few key differences that have far more to do with manipulating voters than they do with actual moral concerns.

Side: No, this is the no fault USA
4 points

Not voting for a candidate the best fits your views just because of one issue is foolish. Grant it, I am completely against abortion, but if a candidate best fits my interest and supports abortion, I will vote for him.

There are a small number of Democrats that does not support abortion and vice versa for the Republicans supporting abortion.

I personally believe that party affiliations on ballots should be banned, so you would have to know who you are voting for.

Side: No, this is the no fault USA
1 point

I agree with you, I don't vote all together though. As for choosing a candidate that best supports my views, I'd prefer it if all of the things I could vote for were presented in list fashion, and instead of voting for such and such person to enact the change I want, if I could just vote on the exact law I wanted changed.

Side: No, this is the no fault USA
FromWithin(8239) Disputed
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Priorities!!!!!!!! If other issues are more important to you than the lives of healthy late term Babies, then WOW! Is this the new American? If it is then I will start being ashamed of my country.

I am Conservative & if I had the choice between a truly pro life liberal who would actually fight to stop late term abortions & a pro choice Conservative (oximoron), then I would vote for the Liberal. I am not a phoney who claims to be personally against late term abortions for any reason & then votes for the politician fighting to keep it legal.

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal
FromWithin(8239) Disputed
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It's very convenient how you never address my analogies. Would you vote for a politician who was a KKK member if you agreed with all his other stances?

Would you vote for a man who wanted to legalize killing children up to 3 months old after birth? Why not? If our Liberal justices ruled that 3 month old children could be legally killed would you vote for those politicians who agreed & kept it legal?

Maybe you can start to grasp what I am talking about. Just because a selfish culture, losing it's humanity can make it legal to abort late term Babies for any reason, does not make it right to support it with your vote.

If you truly care about innocent life, prove it with your vote. There are absolutely no more important issues on the planet. The right to life for us all must always be paramount.

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal
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Abortion is not selfish. Not everything to do with self is selfish.

Side: No, this is the no fault USA
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Wouldn't that make Republicans torturers?

Side: No, this is the no fault USA

Well said Cartman. Upvote for being awesome. .

Side: No, this is the no fault USA
2 points

Your nazi example isn't comparable because the nazi party actively performed extermination of "inferiors", but the Democrat party has not actively performed abortions, they want to lift the gov't ban on abortion, but not for the sake of exterminating the unborn.

If anything, the fault of the late term abortions are of the mother and whoever is performing the abortion (hopefully a doctor).

Side: No, this is the no fault USA
FromWithin(8239) Disputed
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As always, you will twist the entire point. The point was not comparing the motives of the inhumanity towards Jewish people or unborn Babies. The point was how people are using the same ludicrous arguments to justify their support of the very people keeping the inhumanity legal.

Both pro choice people & Germans claim to be personally against the inhumanity whether it be late term abortions for any reason, or the holocaust. Both groups claim they do not give their support based on one issue, etc. WHAT A HIDEOUS COP OUT!

We are talking about killing innocent human life & people such as yourself excuse supporting those who keep it legal.

You can pretend to care about innocent life, & maybe you can convince yourself you are not partially to blame, but who are you kidding?

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal
Stickers(1037) Disputed
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As always, you will twist the entire point

Who are you?

The point was not comparing the motives of the inhumanity towards Jewish people or unborn Babies.

The point was how people are using the same ludicrous arguments to justify their support of the very people keeping the inhumanity legal.

Neither of these things make Democrats responsible for late term abortion.

Both pro choice people & Germans claim to be personally against the inhumanity whether it be late term abortions for any reason, or the holocaust. Both groups claim they do not give their support based on one issue, etc. WHAT A HIDEOUS COP OUT!

We are talking about killing innocent human life & people such as yourself excuse supporting those who keep it legal.

You can keep repeating the same argument over and over again, but that is not addressing my arguments.

You can pretend to care about innocent life, & maybe you can convince yourself you are not partially to blame, but who are you kidding?

I suppose that I can, but I really don't care for protecting living things simply because they have done nothing wrong. I'll still swat at flies, living and blameless creatures, if it is convenient for me to do so.

Side: No, this is the no fault USA
2 points

Ah good old FromWithin when he didn't ban dissenting opinions

Side: No, this is the no fault USA

Have you heard of Democrats For Life? I have included a link for you in this comment.

Supporting Evidence: Proof. (www.democratsforlife.org)
Side: No, this is the no fault USA
Atrag(5550) Disputed
2 points

Waw what amazing logic you have. Let us try it out:

Some cars are red, therefore most cars are red.

Some human beings are men, therefore most human beings are men.

Some democrat are members of democrats for life, most democrats are therefore are like "democrats for life"

Some republicans are members of Hawaii Republicans for Life, therefore most republicans are like "Hawaii Republicans for Life".

Supporting Evidence: Proof (www.facebook.com)
Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal
Coldfire(1014) Clarified
2 points

I don't see where SitaraForJesus made any claim about the frequency in occurrence of such a position within the Democratic Party, just that it is a position.

In regards to the debate “Is a person who votes for Democrats responsible for late term abortions?” the answer is no; not all democrats agree with late term abortions. So just because someone votes democrat for various reasons, they can still disagree with the Party’s stance on abortions.

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That is not what i said. I said that liberals or Dems can be prolife. I never said all or most are. I never made a positive claim as to how many Dems are prochoice or prolife. Stop the strawman. Strawman: You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack. By exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating someone's argument, it's much easier to present your own position as being reasonable, but this kind of dishonesty serves to undermine honest rational debate. Example: After Will said that we should put more money into health and education, Warren responded by saying that he was surprised that Will hates our country so much that he wants to leave it defenceless by cutting military spending. Conclusion: You put words in my mouth that I never said.

Side: No, this is the no fault USA
FromWithin(8239) Clarified
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I realize there are a very few pro life Democrats. I remember one who claimed he was pro life in Congress when they were debating voting for Obamacare. Guess what? He voted for Obamacare that supported forcing us all to pay for abortions.

Forgive me if i give no credibility to any Democrat who supports a party of Abortion on demand for any reason. They should change parties & then work to change the Republican party on issues of disagreement. There are obvious priorities in life.

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal
Cartman(18192) Disputed
3 points

The number of abortions that would happen don't change if Obamacare exists. Obamacare is not an abortion issue.

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal
1 point

Anyone can be prochoice or prolife. .

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal
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No. The person who has a late term abortion is responsible for their own actions.

Side: No, this is the no fault USA
FromWithin(8239) Disputed
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So the slave owner was responsible for having slaves & when you voted to elect politicians to keep slavery legal, you are not at fault? WOW! Talk about denial!

That is no different than the abortion issue & your vote. Look in the mirror the next time you say it is her fault while you keep it legal with your vote.

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It boils down to the fact that that mother chose to murder her child and regardless of what happened to legalize that it was her decision whether she should or not.

Side: No, this is the no fault USA
FromWithin(8239) Disputed
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So the slave owner was responsible for having slaves & when you voted to elect politicians to keep slavery legal, you are not at fault? WOW! Talk about denial!

That is no different than the abortion issue & your vote. Look in the mirror the next time you say it is her fault while you keep it legal with your vote.

Side: Yes, your vote keeps it legal
Cartman(18192) Disputed
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I think God_ would be a higher authority on this one and we should defer to him. ;)

Side: No, this is the no fault USA

No. A person can be against abortion and still vote Democrat with confidence knowing that his/her vote is not responsible for late term abortions.

Side: No, this is the no fault USA

A person who votes is not the doctor who performs the abortion.

Side: No, this is the no fault USA