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Debate Score:60
Arguments:51
Total Votes:65
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Is abortion ever justified?


Yes.

Side Score: 47
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No.

Side Score: 13
7 points

Put aside for a moment the more extreme examples of rape or risk of death to the mother if going to term. Even put aside all the debate about rights and freedom of choice. You don't even need that argument to address this debate heading.

It's actually quite common for normal pregnancies to go awry and for the prospective parents waiting eagerly for their baby to find out it is utterly impossible that baby is going to live. Yet, the body has not spontaneously rejected it. In fact the body could carry to term only to give birth to medical waste. It's true. When it happens early enough in the pregnancy process then couples opt for "DNC" (do not continue) in which the failed fetus gets removed. Why would they do that? Because instead of NOT wanting a baby it's the opposite, they desperately DO want to have a baby. But they can't try again until the failed fetus is out. And then there is time involved for the body to reset to try again. And if this happens any time later in the pregnancy then yes it might be called an actual abortion. And what's wrong with that? You've already found out the fetus is brain dead, or it has a condition know to kill it soon and at any time, or there is no amniotic fluid and the fetus is being crushed and twisted by the mother's organs and literally has no prayer.

Biology isn't a simple plant the seed and wait 9 months and here's your baby. It can fail anywhere along the way. And if it fails, but the body hasn't kicked it out, then who can tell that mother who desperately wants to try again and may have limited time to do so on her biological clock that she's evil and cruel for having it removed.

Side: Yes.
JustIgnoreMe(4290) Clarified
3 points

Good post, as per your usual - just a small note of clarification - DNC is actually D and C

trivial on the whole.

Side: Yes.
Grenache(6054) Clarified
1 point

Thank you. Sometimes indeed I don't do my homework. ......................................

Side: Yes.
B-laney(9) Disputed
1 point

So heres the thing,

abortion is terminating a living and developing fetus. We have the technology now to know if the baby is alive or not. If the fetus is indeed dead, then it is not wrong for it to be removed if necessary. All of your examples besides the last were in cases where the fetus was dead, or miscarried. In that situation, its (dignified) removal is not an abortion. If the fetus is still developing though, it is wrong to terminate it because it is not in danger. If your example you gave last about complications, for example health risks which are common, is the cause of complications, then there are other ways to deal with it that aren't actually the same as abortion. So if a baby is brain dead, but not necessarily dead, it can be stillborn, or born and then it dies afterward. But if the baby for example is going to pose a serious health risk to the mother, then instead of targeting the fetus, you can try to fix the situation with the unintended side effect of the fetus's death. An example would be the egg being fertilized in the fallopian tube. That would be incredibly dangerous for the mother, yet it is still wrong to flat out kill the fetus. Doctors can try and removing that part of the fallopian tube with the likely but unintentional side effect of the fetus dying in a necessary attempt to save the mother.

Side: No.
Sitar(3680) Clarified
1 point

I cannot put aside rights because there are some situations where women have the right to choose.

Side: Yes.

self-defense - All pregnancies pose a risk to the mother.

mercy - a fetus that is in pain and will not live.

Selective reductions - from triplets to twins, or twins to a single, etc. - to improve the overall chances for those remaining.

Side: Yes.
3 points

Well, here in America abortion is justified every time it is practiced.

It being, well, you know......

A Constitutional right, and all.

A better question would seem to be.........

"Is it ever justified for some fat-cat wealthy, white, out-of-touch-with-the-common-people Washington DC politician to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her own body. And her own life?"

Now THAT'S an interesting question.

By the way....

The answer to that last question is, "Fuck no!"

LOL

See ya later, Libtard Prolifer!

SS

Side: Yes.
Sitar(3680) Clarified
1 point

Again, I am happy to bee a liberal. Aldo, I am not saying that elective abortion should be legal, I am saying that it should be legal for the health of the mother, if the baby will die anywat, or if the mother was raped.

Side: Yes.
Atrag(5556) Clarified
1 point

Hahahahahaha.. Now you're a liberal? WTF.. Religiously you were Jewish then Cristian...then a non Cristian that believed in Jesus.. Politically you were conservative then liberal then libertarian then `centric` and now liberal again. Do you have a multi personality disorder?

Side: Yes.
FromWithin(8240) Disputed
1 point

You are one pathetic inhuman narcissistic fool! As always, you only care for the right of the killer, and care nothing for their victim, even when it is a viabe late term baby.

You sick immoral moron!

Side: No.
LadyLinkstar(415) Clarified
2 points

I love seeing you on debates like this. Go ahead and scream about god now.

Side: Yes.

So, the only reason you support it is that your superiors approve of it?

You're a pretty convenient little worker.

Side: Yes.
B-laney(9) Disputed
1 point

But that's where youre wrong lol.

you see, a human fetus is not part of your body, it is only depending on your body. You deciding to terminate a pregnancy is denying the fetus's NATURAL right to life, forget the civil part of it. and if the fetus is not a person, than when does it become one?

Side: No.
3 points

As one who has lived through it, YES! It is many times NECESSARY!

FAR more justified than allowing known terrorists to purchase assault weapons in the U.S. with NO background checks.

Side: Yes.
3 points

Naturally, I oppose the idea of abortion, but I'm not going to blame a woman who was raped and had to get an abortion for an unmeant fetus. That is the one circumstance where abortion is justified.

Side: Yes.

Not like none of your actions has any effect. If you want to increase the number of lives, go and increase them at every chance you get.

Else you'll be potentially murdering babies. Also, inspire others to support your cause.

That's for those who really believe they can get anywhere by talking on unreasonable extremes.

If you can, then whether you should or not depends on whether you want to.

Side: Yes.

Neither Party is fighting against life of mother abortions. That is one of the few times it is justified because it is saving one life, rather than losing two lives.

The democrat party supports no restriction abortion of viable babies all the way up to birth for any reason. If you vote for Hillary, you might as well be tearing the limbs from that viable baby yourself because you re keeping it legal.

The GOP as been tryng to get a 20 week abortion limit compromise(with extreme case exceptions) but as always the Democrat party stops them every time.

Side: Yes.
1 point

Yes, but I want to put a huge caveat here that in 95% of circumstances I would say it is not. There are, however, always situations when it might be necessary. For me, that includes when the mother's life is at risk (as in she will die trying to give birth), if there is no way for the baby to survive birth, and in cases of incest or rape.

That's it. A lot of people would argue it should be allowed if is determined that the child will be born with a significant defect, but I'm not so lenient on this. I've heard too many tales of predictions determined while a child is in the womb that turn out to be false (the doctor expected my child to live only a few days, but he's alive and kicking, etc.). Also, I have heard more and more horrible tales of people considering things like Down Syndrome, or body malformations such as missing limbs, to qualify as bad enough defects to kill the child.

But is an abortion sometimes justified? Yes. Unfortunately, such terrible situations do happen, but they are few and far between.

Side: Yes.
shoutoutloud(4302) Clarified
1 point

but they are few and far between.

Can you support this with facts?

Side: Yes.
2 points

Of course not. It's funny that the ones arguing for abortion aren't counting their many blessings that their own mothers didn't abort THEM.

Side: No.
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
4 points

I am in favor of Abortion.

And I don't care that my mother never had me aborted.

Because if she had, I would not be here to complain about it.

Think about it!

LOL

SS

Side: Yes.
Sitar(3680) Disputed
2 points

What if the mother's life is in danger? I sm not arguing for elective abortion, just a few exceptions to the rule.

Side: Yes.
1 point

I believe it is just you who is always praying that.

What would happen if she did? Would my consciousness be somewhere else, or it wouldn't even exist? In either case, why should I bless anything? Even if I do, no one is sitting there to take the blessings.

But, now that I'm here (do you even bless for all the probabilities for you being conceived actually happening?), such things are no more of any consequence.

Side: Yes.
AlofRI(3287) Clarified
1 point

How could a non-existent entity count it's blessings either way?? If you believe in GOD, why can't you believe in letting GOD judge , and letting GOD punish?? Oh, ye of little faith.

Side: Yes.
1 point

It's funny that the one's arguing against abortion typically support death penalty, the second amendment and war.

Side: Yes.
1 point

Abortion is murder no matter what. The baby is a living and has rights.

Side: No.
cownbueno(407) Disputed
3 points

So if you had a 13 year old daughter that was raped by a 50 year old man and became impregnated, you'd want that child as your grandchild and would want to force your daughter to live with the constant reminder of the trauma? You're fucked.

Side: Yes.

It does qualify as a murder even in that case. I see no way it doesn't. And so does abortion under any other circumstances

But such statements can have so fucked up and obvious implications, that I'm surprised at anyone supporting them.

Side: Yes.
3 points

Are people justified in killing people in self-defense?

Is abortion self-defense?

Side: Yes.
1 point

What do you call it when a dead fetus is aborted? Sometimes the fetus dies while still in the womb.

Side: No.
1 point

Nope. It never has and never will be justified. Why would you want to justify killing an innocent human being?

Side: No.
1 point

Abortion is an intentional murder of a complete human person inside of the womb. Murder is never justifiable, therefore, abortion is never justifiable.

The 2 ways a pro choice person can respond to this statement are:

1.) No, it is not murder because the fetus is not wholly human.

2.) Yes, that's what abortion is. (Ive met people like this)

If you said that a fetus is not wholly human, then tell me, at what point does a fetus become a human person? What makes somebody a human person?

Id love to see someone try and defend abortion after considering my argument. I want to see what you have to say.

Side: No.