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 Is abortion killing an innocent life? (179)

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Is abortion killing an innocent life?

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3 points

Depends on how far along the child is, if the pregnancy is not past the first trimester then no it is not taking a life.

For it has nothing to be innocent of, it has not yet lived to experience things that would make it innocent or guilty which are both conscious thought processes that a baby does not possess especially as a fetus.

A fetus is a parasite, living off of the host until the pregnancy has been full filled and the baby has been birthed. Only then would it be the taking of an innocent life.

Side: NOPE
2 points

I think once there is a heart beat is about far enough. At least then you can say that it is alive.

The parasite analogy is also quite fitting as it takes and gives nothing back.

Side: NOPE
JesusFreak(174) Disputed
1 point

But it is going to be life most people regret having abortion. Just because it is not completely formed does not mean it is alive. Why is it not okay to murder a kid at lets say 12 but its okay to kill a baby before it is even born?

Side: yes
2 points

Yes. killing a baby is killing an innocent life. Why? well first of all, you don't give the baby a chance to live. second Some of you may say "its to much pressure on the mom". It was her mistake and she should at least give it for adoption. Third, I think a child would rather live even if the parents mistreat them when they are born.

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

But it is going to be life most people regret having abortion. Just because it is not completely formed does not mean it is alive. Why is it not okay to murder a kid at lets say 12 but its okay to kill a baby before it is even born?

Because the 12-year old is aware, it is alive. A foetus when aborted 40% of the time isn't alive. It doesn't have a heart, 50% of the time it doesn't have a brain.

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
DaWolfman(3322) Disputed
1 point

A kid at 12 is already able to feel pain, think, comprehend, and hypothetically has his/her whole life ahead of themselves.

Whereas a fetus has nothing, it is only alive as a parasite. It is not able to feel pain past the first trimester, it isn't able to comprehend anything or think. It is just a complex organism.

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
2 points

its like sooo depressing! all you ppl wants innocent babys to be killd!

TG

Side: Wake up

The inclusion of the letters 'TG' was meant as an indicator that I am writing this under another persona.

Side: Wake up
1 point

i have to agree with you on that, but that doesn't change anything!!!

Side: Wake up
JesusIsLife(39) Disputed
1 point

Oh actually i dont agree with you at all i didn't see that TG

Side: Wake up
1 point

Exactly, most mothers tend to even regret aborting the baby.

The worst thing to happen is to abort a baby when your 16 and then when your 31 and really want a child, having to find out you cant have one.

Imagine knowing you could have had a child but you wasnt ready and now that you are "ready" you cant even have now.

Life is unfair like that.

I wouldnt take the risk, a baby is a gift whether its a suprise gift or a planned gift.

Side: Wake up
zombee(1026) Disputed
2 points

http://women.webmd.com/news/20000822/study-says-most-women-dont-regret-abortion

I would like to see your source for most women being depressed after an abortion. Yes, there are some, but I would hazard a guess that most of those women were either already suffering from depression or mental issues, or they were women who were coerced or pushed into abortion which is just as awful as a women being coerced into keeping a baby.

Why can't the 31 year old women in your scenario have a baby now that she is ready?

Side: Wake up
2 points

Abortion is killing a life. Why is it illegal to kill a human life at 1 years old and it is legal to kill a human life before it is born before it has a chance to see the wonders of this world. Those who support abortion are just as guilty as those who go through with abortion! I REST MY CASE

Side: yes
2 points

If you are responsible enough to have sex, you are responsible enough to take care of a baby. The child shouldnt pay for your mess up. So yes abortion is killing an innocent life.

Side: yes
1 point

hmmm... you really should treat them like regular people.

Side: yes
1 point

Abortion is murder and those who support it obviously think murder is okay.

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
2 points

Only Christians approve of murder in civil society. Abortion isn't murder as it doesn't involve a life.

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
lawnman(1106) Disputed
1 point

Is the termination of a pregnancy the termination of a biological process?

(I can and will debate this subject without appealing to morals.)

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
TERMINATOR(6779) Disputed
1 point

Has history not shown that Muslims and Jews approve of murder? Muslims with their Jihadi ways; Jews according to their own history books?

Rarely have I encountered a band of Christians planning on blowing up a building. It is even quite rare for Christians to kill abortion doctors.

You are generalizing a religion based on the warped acts of it's followers.

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
viovenomlet Disputed
1 point

There is no religion that approves of murder! And it does involve a life that God and only God created.. so who are you to take away this life?!

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
MKIced(2510) Disputed
2 points

I agree that abortion is murder, but people who side with the pro-choice front don't think that way. They don't believe that the fetus is alive until a certain point in development, or birth in some opinions. I believe life begins at conception and I have based this on biological and scientific knowledge. However, many pro-choice advocates don't believe life begins until the heart beats or until the fetus moves for the first time, etc. That's where the true debate is.

Side: yes

Would you consider a foetus a higher form of life?

Side: yes
1 point

Based upon logic, I have an argument that supports your view.

Would you care to entertain it?

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
1 point

I agree, Life begins when the egg is fertilised.

Cause thats when the process starts, the baby has been made.

The baby has a father and a mother already.

The baby will develop and thats the most important thing, its not like the baby isnt going to develop or the parents need to do something to validate its development.

The baby develops in the course of time. Unless you have a miscarriage

your now officially going to have a baby. Having an abortion is ended the process.

Stopping it, denying it the right to live,

Isnt ending someones life denying someone the right to live?

Isnt it the same thing?

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
1 point

Lol @ incredibly biased question word choice. XD

If you want to get technical, nothing really ever dies and noTHING is innocent.

Side: NOPE
1 point

of course not!! let me define the "real" abortion...

Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo.....

so... we just "remove" something unnecessary (well, although it will be a human nine months later..)

and then the word that we should discuss from this motion is "life"...

and embryo is not yet become a human which have a life...

embryo, still a part of pregnant woman , which synchronize by "placenta".... when we do abortion, we just remove that part..

Side: NOPE
1 point

But all of this arguments go back to the mom of this "forming baby" it is her own fault she is pregnant and shouldn't of you guys know what if she didn't want a baby. If you are a follower of God and believe in abortion shame on you.

Side: NOPE
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

If you are a follower of God and believe in abortion shame on you.

God loves killing babies, if you read the bible he has killed more infants than have been aborted.

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
RLove(11) Disputed
1 point

What you on about? LOL you actually make laugh

God loves killing babies?

If God loved killing babies would you not be dead?

God loves children you fool.

Your just an idiotic athiest who doesnt even know what he's talking about.

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
JesusFreak(174) Disputed
1 point

God did not kill any babies so you should maybe study the Bible and ask someone to interpret it for you because obviously you do not understand.

Side: yes
1 point

You guys are missing the point. This argument all goes back to the mom who has this "forming baby" in her stomach and is her own fault for doing you know what so it isn't the baby's fault that it has to be killed before it is even born because of the mom's mistake. And don't tell me all of this "fetus" stuff because it doesn't matter whats stage it is in. It seems like all abortions are done by pregnant teens which is completely stupid and foolish to do and yet they go and do you know what and get pregnant. All of you guys are telling me all of this scientific stuff which I don't give a care about! All of what you are saying doesnt matter and i don't want to hear stuff about how my stuff matters because it does so shut up!

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
1 point

NOPE...... we talk about life here... and fetus don't have a life... they don't have heart.. and they don't even have any brain to think( in young age of pregnancy i mean..), whether they agree to eliminate by someone or not..( yeah, human right..)

so... i bring new proposal in this case.. ABORTION IS KILLING AN INNOCENT LIFE WHEN ABORTION TRANSPIRE IN OLD AGE OF PREGNANCY... AND ABORTION IS JUSTIFIABLE IN YOUNG AGE OF PREGNANCY..

any rebuttal?

Side: NOPE
JesusFreak(174) Disputed
1 point

Would you want to be killed??????????????????????????????

Side: yes
rockyboy(48) Disputed
1 point

I'm sorry Jesus freak but your statement is stupid. You are suggesting that you a (do I dare say it) a Fetus your question, do you want to live or die? As if the mass of DNA cells are going to respond back to you with an answer. An the Fetus will say to you, "Of course not, I don't want to die, I'm a fetus."

Side: yes
1 point

Yes it is. The baby is still alive no matter how far along. If you dont want the baby, give it to foster care. That one baby could stop war, or save an animal that is endangered. All babies have potential, and when you end their life, it ends the potential.

Side: yes
zombee(1026) Disputed
1 point

Or, instead, that baby could grow up to be a mass murderer.

Side: NOPE
JesusFreak(174) Disputed
1 point

A baby does not become a mass murderer because it decided it when he is born. A main cause is when the child experiences a tragic time in his/her life.

Side: yes

Yes it is. The baby is still alive no matter how far along. If you dont want the baby, give it to foster care. That one baby could stop war, or save an animal that is endangered. All babies have potential, and when you end their life, it ends the potential.

There is so much truth there. I don't believe there is anything on this earth as precious as a human baby. It's almost shocking to see how flippantly some describe the termination of a pregnancy, no matter how far along it may be. If only there really was an all-powerful all-knowing god who was intelligent enough to put in place a system of procreation that doesn't happen by accident, or when not wanted.

Obviously there isn't. If you believe that God has a "perfect plan" for all of us, you're surely insane. What type of God considers having your life snuffed out before it truly begins a perfect plan?

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
1 point

Yeah,

If you had been aborted you wouldnt be alive today.

Imagine all those years that you would have been deprived of.

An aborted child could grow up to become someone important, if you cant handle a human life use a condom or give it up for adoption. Theres many families that would really want that child. Imagine if Albert Einstien had been aborted? Would we have electricitiy.. How would life have been right now? Imagine all the human life thats being destroyed everyday. ITS A LIFE. Once that egg has been fertilised its a human life. Its a living thing and it shouldnt be killed. Abortion is murder and its wrong

I understand if the person is in danger if it has that baby like in the Last King of Scotland where her life is in risk if she has the baby.

But killing a baby cause you think you cant handle it is completely selfish.

Who says you have the right to stop that life from living? Not even giving it a chance, if your an mother you probably love your children to bits, i'm sure they was moments in your life where you felt like it was getting too hard. Even if you were raped you should still let the baby live, if you cant handle looking after it, give it to adoption so that it has the chance to live a life.

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
1 point

Fetuses have been shown to masturbate in the womb. Innocent? Pa. I think not.

If abortion were declared murder, I wonder if they'd be required to change all the tombstone epitaphs to date of conception through date of death, as opposed to date of birth through date of death.

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
1 point

The only time an abortion is allowed is when the continuation of the pregnancy puts the mother's life at risk! Otherwise, under whatever circumstances, abortion is a crime.. It's a crime against the unborn baby; against the mother - even if she doesn't want the baby(for a further explained reason); against humanity and our morals and most importantly against God.. Even if this pregnancy occurred due to unsafe sex or it was unexpected by a couple, no one has the right to object to what God has created.. If it's because of unsafe sex, when are you going to take responsibility of your own life and live with the consequences of your mistakes?! It is therefore your duty to have that baby because you chose to have sex ignorantly.. Who, nowadays, is not educated enough to know that somehow unsafe sex can lead to pregnancy?! In the case where you were "raped", then i suggest you get yourself together and talk about what happened to you before it's too late and you'd be more miserable than ever.. In the case where the pregnancy is unexpected - or so it's called - why do you think it happened in the first place?! Everything happens for a reason and only God knows why.. so again, who are you to question fate?! No one has the right to decide the fate of another creature.. NO ONE! but God...

Side: yes
zombee(1026) Disputed
0 points

When you have proven the existence of God to everyone, then maybe you will have a better argument for trying to force his morals on unwilling people. Until then, 'God' is only a valid deterrent for people who chose to accept his existence on faith.

No form of contraception works all the time. Plenty of pregnancies happen in spite of at least one form of contraception in place. The only 100% surefire way to avoid a pregnancy is to be abstinent.

I think it's kind of disturbing to refer to an unplanned pregnancy as though it is some kind of well-deserved punishment visited on couples who dare to have sex. A pregnancy should be a happy, welcome addition to a family that is ready for it. Not a 'consequence'.

In the case where you were "raped", then i suggest you get yourself together and talk about what happened to you before it's too late and you'd be more miserable than ever..

Why is raped in quotation marks and what does your partially intelligible advice have to do with abortion?

Side: yes
viovenomlet Disputed
1 point

Read any of the Holy Books.. There's no greater proof...

And since there is no form of contraception that works all the time, then abstinence is the answer.. A married couple has all the right to practice sex however they like and therefore if pregnancy occurs they will be happy about it.. It is some people who aren't married that dislike the idea of a child with a single-parent...

"Raped" is quoted because unless a woman practices sex against her will then there's no reason to believe that she wasn't aware of the possibility of a pregnancy.. And its because some women use being raped as an excuse to have an abortion just because they can't handle the responsibility of their actions...

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
0 points

The only time an abortion is allowed is when the continuation of the pregnancy puts the mother's life at risk! Otherwise, under whatever circumstances, abortion is a crime..

Let me ask you a question. Are you aware of foetal development? The first four weeks after having unprotected sex, there isn't even an embryo yet. Once you have the embryo it's weeks before it even develops into a foetus, which means it is a few cells with no mind or organs. 50% of abortions happen before the woman even has a foetus inside her. Once it becomes a foetus, it's another 7 to 9 weeks before it even has a heart pumping blood. The brain is still in the process of growing. 40% of abortions happen before this point in foetal development.

You are acting emotionally when you should be detached. This is a rational situation, not an emotional one.

It's a crime against the unborn baby; against the mother - even if she doesn't want the baby(for a further explained reason); against humanity and our morals and most importantly against God.

The unborn baby has no rights at this point. It isn't a person yet. Maybe it bothers you to think of people in a way that allows them at some point to no longer be people. Humanity doesn't suffer from abortions, the only way it could suffer is if abortions were so common that our death rate exceeded our birth rate, but this isn't the case. Morals and god are irrelevant, because those are beliefs and values that belong to you and only you, they aren't exactly shared by the women having abortions so it is a case of you imposing your god and your morals upon someone else against their will.

Even if this pregnancy occurred due to unsafe sex or it was unexpected by a couple, no one has the right to object to what God has created.. If it's because of unsafe sex, when are you going to take responsibility of your own life and live with the consequences of your mistakes?!

The woman is taking responsibility by terminating the pregnancy. In her case it would be irresponsible to have a child that isn't wanted and would grow up lacking the support it needs.

Who, nowadays, is not educated enough to know that somehow unsafe sex can lead to pregnancy?!

Protected sex can lead to pregnancy, depending upon the failure rates of the contraceptives used. Also bear in mind that the religious groups you're supporting by bringing god into this are often against contraception, and spread misinformation about it, such as "condoms contain holes" or "condoms have HIV inside of them." In this respect they are against the methods that prevent pregnancy and are against the tools that stop pregnancy as well, they seem to want women to function as baby-factories, or live a celibate lifestyle.

In the case where you were "raped", then i suggest you get yourself together and talk about what happened to you before it's too late and you'd be more miserable than ever..

And then she has a child who is a reminder of the man who abused her. The child will suffer for this, and that's how you end up with a more dysfunctional society: children neglected by their mothers who wind up on the streets as thieves or gang members.

In the case where the pregnancy is unexpected - or so it's called - why do you think it happened in the first place?! Everything happens for a reason and only God knows why.. so again, who are you to question fate?!

If it's unexpected, it could be that the child will be raised in poverty because the mother can't afford it.

No one has the right to decide the fate of another creature.. NO ONE! but God...

Yet you're here telling pregnant women what their fate should be.

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
viovenomlet Disputed
1 point

You are acting emotionally when you should be detached. This is a rational situation, not an emotional one.

Morals and god are irrelevant, because those are beliefs and values that belong to you and only you, they aren't exactly shared by the women having abortions so it is a case of you imposing your god and your morals upon someone else against their will.

Also bear in mind that the religious groups you're supporting by bringing god into this are often against contraception, and spread misinformation about it, such as "condoms contain holes" or "condoms have HIV inside of them."

Yet you're here telling pregnant women what their fate should be.

Dear opponent, let me ask YOU a question.. do you even know how to debate?!

In a PROFESSIONAL debate, you do not attack any opponent but attack the argument.. I suggest you concentrate on attacking the argument instead of attacking the opponent next time.. First of all, i do not follow any religious groups and personally i think that that information about condoms is just ridiculous and built on ignorant opinions.. Secondly, if i were to follow your "style" of debating, I'd say: You are acting irrationally and a person with no beliefs or morals. Third of all, exactly as you said, these are my beliefs and morals and as i said only God decides the fate of all mankind, so i am simply sharing my point of view and debating. I am not forcing anything on anyone and every person is free to follow what they believe...

Now, to rebut your arguments..

Are you aware of foetal development?

Yes i am. In the case where a woman practices unsafe sex and does not want a pregnancy to occur, there are certain pharmaceutical drugs that should be taken between 48 - 72 hours after intercourse.. Otherwise, expect anything..

The woman is taking responsibility by terminating the pregnancy. In her case it would be irresponsible to have a child that isn't wanted and would grow up lacking the support it needs.

And then she has a child who is a reminder of the man who abused her. The child will suffer for this, and that's how you end up with a more dysfunctional society: children neglected by their mothers who wind up on the streets as thieves or gang members.

Is she really? As i mentioned in an earlier argument, by keeping quiet she is the one allowing herself to go through all this pain.. She may be scared but if she thought of the consequences of keeping quiet - which is a pregnancy maybe - then she should realize keeping quiet isn't the wisest thing to do.. You speak up, you get help and there would be no reason for abortion anyway...

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
1 point

sure, call it murder, death, killing, assenting.............. who cares!!!!!!!!!!! Its a persons private decision to do with their private doctor in a private appointment with privacy!!!!!!!

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
1 point

No, the baby has not been born yet, it cannot live on its own if it was ripped out of its mother, plus with population increase we should probably be having less kids any ways

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
1 point

i'm going to assume all of you who are saying abortion is murder are male? you will never become pregnant. you will never go through the mental and physical struggles of being pregnant. having a baby is a huge responsiblity. maybe women getting abortions are not capable of supporting another person or maybe they have been raped. they do not want that child they do not want to remember what happened to them and they don't want this baby to know how it was brought into the world. it is not killing a life, it is saving a life

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
Cuaroc(8827) Disputed
1 point

Didn't take you as a point whore.

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life

If someone is a strict constructionist who interprets the Constitution word for word, the sanction for abortion is given under the Fourteenth Amendment.

The Fourteenth Amendment of our U.S. Constitution defines a citizen “a citizen” at birth. If a woman is carrying a fetus in the womb, the U.S. Constitution does not designate the fetus as “a citizen.” It would take an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to declare a fetus a citizen. You have to be born in order to be recognized as a citizen. Therefore, a woman does have the right to choose. A fetus inside the womb is not designated as a citizen according to the U.S. Constitution so by default is not entitled to life, liberty, or prosperity. You have to be born in order to be endowed with those privileges. To conclude, neither the Federal government nor any of the States can deny a woman the right to choose.

If abortion is murder, abortion would have been terminated years ago due to the cruel and unusual punishment clause under the Eighth Amendment. Again, proof that a fetus is not recognized as a citizen of the United States of America.

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
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Abortion is wrong and it is killing an innocent life...................................

Side: yes
1 point

You are a murderer if you believe in that!!! A woman who has a baby in her stomach does not have the right to kill it before it is born because it is her own dang fault! Why not give it up for adoption!

Side: yes
ddjxie(58) Disputed
4 points

"A woman who has a baby in her stomach does not have the right to kill it before it is born because it is her own dang fault!"

I would like to point out that a woman who has a "baby" in her stomach is already in the process of digesting it though the stomach's protein-digesting enzymes and strong acids.

Side: yes
JohnY(23) Disputed
1 point

well it dosen't mean we should look down on really...............

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

You are a murderer if you believe in that!!! A woman who has a baby in her stomach does not have the right to kill it before it is born because it is her own dang fault! Why not give it up for adoption!

Over 50% of abortions don't even involve a foetus. The remaining 40% involve a foetus that doesn't even have a heart. The last 10% involve later term abortions. Get your facts straight.

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
Pineapple(1448) Disputed
1 point

Why?

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Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
0 points

You guys are missing the point. This argument all goes back to the mom who has this "forming baby" in her stomach and is her own fault for doing you know what so it isn't the baby's fault that it has to be killed before it is even born because of the mom's mistake. And don't tell me all of this "fetus" stuff because it doesn't matter whats stage it is in. It seems like all abortions are done by pregnant teens which is completely stupid and foolish to do and yet they go and do you know what and get pregnant. All of you guys are telling me all of this scientific stuff which I don't give a care about! All of what you are saying doesnt matter and i don't want to hear stuff about how my stuff matters because it does so shut up!

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
zombee(1026) Disputed
2 points

It's okay, really, you can type the word 'sex'. We are all adults rationally and maturely discussing a serious matter...right?'

Once again, telling your opponents to 'shut up' has a place in an elementary school playground, not a place at createdebate. You will not find it very effective here.

Most abortions are not performed on pregnant teens. Most abortions are performed on 20-24 year olds, then 25-29 year olds, and only then 15-19 year olds. Do not cite false facts. Many of these people are married, or in a serious relationship, and their contraceptive was ineffective. They do not deserve a pregnancy because of this.

Since it is clear you will not be convinced of a fetus's lack of personhood, I would like to look at this from another angle. If the fetus and the mother are both people, why on earth would the fetus's right to bodily integrity override the mother's right to bodily integrity? The fetus is using the mother as a life support system, it is reliant 100% on her and nobody could possibly take her place as its host. It may not be the most admirable decision, but the government and everyone else has no right to tell anyone they must serve as a life support system for another being for any length of time, unborn fetus or not. Essentially, when the rights of the fetus and the mother are at odds, the fetus's rights should be the ones that are overridden.

Of course a fetus has no rights because it is not yet recognized as a citizen of the United States but this argument kind of makes that a nonissue.

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life
rockyboy(48) Disputed
1 point

No, a fetus is not a baby! A baby can live outside of it's mother; A fetus can not survive outside of it's protective environment. However When having a legal abortion the law and most moral people are referring to the first trimester. Anything after that the individual has to live with that. As to a 12 year old child vs a fetus that's just ridiculous. I'm not going to give the fetus Milk money for school lunch, but I am going to give my 12 year old milk money.

Side: Abortion is terminating a non-life