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America is probably the country with the most deaths caused by murder on this planet. So.. I'm sure America's view on murder can't be that it is a bad thing.
Well yeah because 1 death still means something to many people. Death for one or even 500 does not mean the 501st person that dies is not significant any more.
Although I think our debate went a little out of the subject, so let me just answer the question more directly.
I don't think it is morally right to kill a fetus, but the I don't think it is morally right to kill a fly either. To me, a fetus has as much value as a fly. I would never kill a fetus, I would never kill a fly - but I will not judge someone for killing a fly, just as I would not judge someone killing a fetus.
I should say, that I would never intentionally kill a fly - I'm sure I've killed a fly by accident in my life.
"Yes, did I say anything to make you think I was pro-murder?"
So because other people aren't morally oppossed to murder (isn't neccessarilly true, people do things they know aren't right), you aren't morally oppossed to another form of it?
What? Check out the stats on some African countries; you know genocide and the like. Warlords fighting for dominance, dictators killing anyone who speaks out against them.
I wasn't disputing that America has a lot of murders, I was taking issue with your statement "America is probably the country with the most deaths caused by murder on this planet.", in forming a logical argument you can't make up a statement, presenting it as fact in order to support your argument. And we're you speaking strictly of numbers or are you talking per capita, or what exactly?
Sorry, I mean to say America is probably one of the countries that has most murders on the planet :)
I know that the tribes in Africa and India are pretty violent.
I don't have any stats, so for all I know America could be low on the list of most deaths caused by murders. But in civil countries, America is in fact the most violent country.
Well, it's better than women sticking wire hangers and shit up their coochies and stewing in a 115 degree hot tub while pregnant while you can have it legalized and they can get a safe abortion. Which is the reason why it was legalized in the first place. Now, i dont really oppose it or support it, im kind of in the middle about this issue. I dont really think that it is moral in itself, but if you dont want the child, and the government said that you had to keep this unwanted child, i dont think that the issue is whether or not some chick gets an abortion and adds to the already over 7 billion population that the world has already has. i think that the issue is whether or not this child will have a good quality of life. Whether or not this child will be loved by its parents and have the opportunity to have the life that most children in first world countries have. And you all can say,"Well, just put he/she up for adoption", but some people arent that smart and will not put this metaphorical child up for adoption. And when they put this child up for adoption, what are the chances that it will become adopted into a family that loves it? What are the chances that this mythical child will not be already scarred and have low self worth and esteem and mental and emotional issues from knowing that their parents, or specifically mother, because if the father knows about the child he could have kept it and taken care of it, didnt want it.
So the question is really what is the quality of life that this child will have?
Because I dont think that abortion is really moral and is really right and just, but i also believe that it is a better alternative than some of the things that the child will go through when if is born and alive. But i also believe that a couple abortions will keep this population under control because we seriously dont need anymore people.
Yes, but it's better for women to get safe abortions with doctors that actually know what they are doing then taking matters into their own hands and doing something stupid.
Nothing is perfectly moral or amoral. If the goal is to save two (potentially three) people from suffering together consciously, when one isn't conscious yet, then it's more moral than the latter choice.
Yet if it's used just to get rid of a fetus that's soon to become a baby that you just don't want, but couldn't help but have sex unprotected then no it's bad.
It canbe justified based on the circumstances, but I would not call it moral. No matter what the circumstance it is a tragic event that should not be brushed off in such a manner.
It can be justified based on the circumstances, but I would not call it moral. No matter what the circumstance it is a tragic event that should not be brushed off in such a manner.
No, I don't consider it to be moral. It inherently devalues human life, it purports that some human beings are less valuable than others and as such not worthy of protection etc.
The last 100 years of history has shown, how dangerous such ideas and philosophies can be.
With the Gosnell horrors and more abortion clinic meat factories being exposed, people are finally waking up and seeing that something has gone terribly wrong.
I disagree with the premise and alternatives presented in this debate since abortion needn't be a moral dilemma. To present it as such forces the notion that it's good or bad as opposed to simply an action.
