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Pro-choice Pro-life
Debate Score:103
Arguments:70
Total Votes:115
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Is abortion okay?

There's so many arguments that get started over this, so I figured I would see where everyone here stands.  Should abortion be solely the choce of the parent?  Or should every child have a chance to live a hapy life?

Pro-choice

Side Score: 65
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Pro-life

Side Score: 38
4 points

First, ditch the arguement that fetuses are babies. That's like trying to convince me to buy a watermelon seed for the price of a full watermelon.

Second: I think that maybe, just maybe, the woman carrying the fetus should have more value than the fetus itself. To say that the woman should be forced to carry the fetus to maturity is nothing short of a restriction of free will. And I don't like being restricted.

Side: Pro-choice
AveSatanas(4425) Clarified
3 points

Right? Scientists have declared that until the end of the first trimester the fetus is simply a self replicating cell and is not the equivalent of a life. Id even argue that until theres signs of brain activity it's not a life yet.

Who are these christian ass squeemish fags to tell OTHER people what to do? It's THEIR child and THEIR body so its THEIR decision with THEIR doctor, not you and your stupid religion and opinions. Roe V Wade is the LAW. it doesnt need changing

Side: Pro-choice
2 points

Not this question again, But abortion is WRONG. What happens if your parents decide to abort you? I have my point here.

Side: Pro-choice
Alien(37) Disputed
1 point

Do you even know what abortion is. ........ .....................

Side: Pro-life
1 point

I think it is totally the choice of the parents whether to have their child or not, it is absolutely their decision. If they don't want their child, why should they have it if it. it will also not be good for the growth of child. besides, what about population. I think even orphanages are overpopulated now. So abortion is necessary... Let the parents think about their child, no law should be made against abortion........

Side: Pro-choice
1 point

Would you want a parasite for 9 months from result of rape? then after 9 months a baby who's father is your rapist?

Side: Pro-choice
2 points

No matter what you opinion is on abortion, i think it can be universally agreed that it is a tragic situation and that it is extremely inappropriate to call a unborn child a parasite no matter who the father was.

Side: Pro-life
Cuaroc(8828) Disputed
2 points

It is a parasite it cannot survive without it's host and does not benefit the host.

Side: Pro-choice
Saurbaby(5579) Disputed
1 point

Whenever I decide to have children, I will be referring to the fetus as a parasite until it's born. It's a proper word to describe it.

Side: Pro-choice
1 point

It doesn't matter if it's okay or not. It's about being able to make your own choices in your own life, and the government mind their own business.

I personally think it's okay to have an abortion, a lot of people don't agree with that, but that doesn't matter. I don't agree with people being fat, doesn't mean it's okay for me to start making some eat better and work out.

It's a personal choice, that is why it's always argued.

Side: Pro-choice
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

So then why is theft illegal? Why is murder illegal? Why is abuse, assault, and rape all illegal? Each person who commits one of these crimes had a personal choice. Sounds like anarchy to me.

Side: Pro-life
2 points

Sounds like anarchy to me.

As an anarchist I resent that. The lack of state does not necessitate lack of moral values or denial of natural rights.

So then why is theft illegal? Why is murder illegal? Why is abuse, assault, and rape all illegal?

Because all of those represent the use of coercion to defy the natural rights of others. However, the prerequisite for natural rights is the faculty of reason. Unborn lack natural rights for the same reason we do not worry about the property rights of a squirrel.

Side: Pro-choice
Saurbaby(5579) Disputed
2 points

Those things are illegal because they hurt LIVING people. There's no debate about whether those people are living, there is a debate about whether a fetus is living, therefore it's a choice.

Side: Pro-choice

If someone is a strict constructionist who interprets the Constitution word for word, the sanction for abortion is given under the Fourteenth Amendment.

The Fourteenth Amendment of our U.S. Constitution defines a citizen “a citizen” at birth. If a woman is carrying a fetus in the womb, the U.S. Constitution does not designate the fetus as “a citizen.” It would take an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to declare a fetus a citizen. You have to be born in order to be recognized as a citizen. Therefore, a woman does have the right to choose. A fetus inside the womb is not designated as a citizen according to the U.S. Constitution so by default is not entitled to life, liberty, or prosperity. You have to be born in order to be endowed with those privileges. To conclude, neither the Federal government nor any of the States can deny a woman the right to choose.

If abortion is murder, abortion would have been terminated years ago due to the cruel and unusual punishment clause under the Eighth Amendment. Again, proof that a fetus is not recognized as a citizen of the United States of America.

Side: Pro-choice
2 points

I'm gonna go with pro-life, but in all honestly I'm torn in one situation. If someone has sex, and they get pregnant, it's completely their fault. Even if they don't want a kid, they should at least have the baby and put it up for adoption or something. It's not the child's fault you got pregnant, don't punish it and take away it's life. But, if someone were to get raped and get pregnant from THAT.....obviously they didn't want a kid, and didn't have sex willingly....so in that situation, abortion would be a sensible option...

Side: Pro-life
3 points

Abortion would decrease people’s responsibility to things they do. Knowing that they are able to make up the result of their action people would become light-minded.

Side: Pro-life
BenWalters(1513) Disputed
2 points

The punishment you put on people in this instance is is not worth the change that the threat of the punishment brings about - just as the death sentence does not work, forcing people to take responsibility (meaning forcing them to face huge punishments where it is unecessary) will only ruin peoples lives.

Side: Pro-choice
Saurbaby(5579) Disputed
2 points

Your logic is contradictory. So it's not okay to, in your words, "punish" the baby by having an abortion if the parents have consensual sex, but it's okay to "punish" the baby in a rape situation?

The woman who got pregnant could easily put the child up for adoption as well, even if she doesn't want the baby.

BUT, adoption is not for everyone, just as abortion is not for you.

I personally could never put my child up for adoption. But I could have an abortion.

Side: Pro-choice
1 point

Totally agree with you only reason someone should have an abortion is because of medical reasons or rape.

Side: Pro-choice
elcarim(6) Disputed
1 point

Religiously,emotionally,and ,physically abortion is harmful.You can't tell me that eliminating an innocent soul is healthy or sounds good to the ear.an average human being would surely feel guilty after carrying out an abortion and this can affect human emotions.

Side: Pro-choice
3 points

And what if you're not religious? Hmm? What then? What if you just don't give a shit about the little lump of cells inside you? And the about the "innocent soul," how do you even know it has a soul? Do you even know if the soul exists? Do you even know if GOD exists for that matter?

That narrows it down to physical. Yes, abortion can seriously hurt you if it's not done right, but hey, since when do we care if we get hurt as long as the desired result is achieved?

Side: Pro-choice
2 points

Never know what may happen someday - you may have a car-accident or win a million dollars and also become pregnant. For somebody it is a God's gift but others may be really disappointed with an opportunity of having babies. Nowadays abortion is a normal process for young women or women in middle age whose helth does not allow them to give a birth to children. But is it really OKAY? I guess, no. Firstly it hurts your helth greatly and moreover there is a chance that after abortion you will not be able to become pregnant again. Secondly, abortion, in fact, is a murder. So people who have done an abortion are legal murderers. And the last thing I want to say is that when my mother was pregnant with me she thought about abortion, but as you all see, I'm here, writing my argument and saying my mother "thank you for my life".

Side: Pro-life
Cuaroc(8828) Disputed
1 point

How is abortion a flock of crows?

Side: Pro-choice
1 point

It's murder, huh? Give me legitimate proof that it is in fact murder. You can't, can you? No. Because a fetus is not a human. It depends completely on the host for its very existence. At least a baby can do SOME things on its own. It's more of a parasite than anything else.

Side: Pro-choice
2 points

I'm against abortion.If the women make abortion she will not have baby any more.Life without children is meaningful ,if there is no any laughs,criesshouting noises at your home it is very boring.Everyone have right to live so I advice for girls to think deeply before making any decision

Side: Pro-life
Cuaroc(8828) Disputed
2 points

if the women make abortion she will not have baby any more

Proof?

I advice for girls to think deeply before making any decision

I don't think girls get to decide whether or not to get raped.

Side: Pro-choice
1 point

Yup abortion is not okay.Abortion is like killing a baby and every human life (Except scumbags) are valuable.

Side: Pro-life
Cuaroc(8828) Disputed
6 points

Gotta love hypocrites like you.

Side: Pro-choice
1 point

I'd hope to think that every human is intrinsically valuable and has a right to life solely by being a human being.

I'm afraid I cannot see abortion as anything other than taking the life on a vulnerable, innocent human being for the sake of preserving the satisfaction, convenience and life-style of the mother.

Side: Pro-life
FreeWill(120) Disputed
1 point

A fetus is not a human being. A watermelon seed is not a watermelon. Sure, given time, they will grow into a watermelon/human being, but denying abortion is like making it illegal for someone trying to dig up a watermelon they planted but don't want anymore.

It's a lot more complicated than convenience, lifestyle, etc. Look up the Donohue-Lewitt hypothesis, which uses history to prove abortion's affect on crime-rate. That is not a matter of convenience, but of other people's safety. Actual people, not half-developed ones.

Side: Pro-choice
VecVeltro(412) Disputed
2 points

A watermelon seed is not a fully developed watermelon - yet the seed is still a member of the watermelon (Citrullus lanatus) species. The seed is essentially a watermelon in its first stages of development.

The fetus is, in fact, a human being at its first stages of development. Simply by belonging into the Homo Sapiens species makes it so.

Your stance in this position is severly outdated by the standards of modern embryology. Perhaps you ment person instead of human.

Sure, given time, they will grow into a watermelon/human being, but denying abortion is like making it illegal for someone trying to dig up a watermelon they planted but don't want anymore.

This analogy implies that just like how a watermelon seed is a commodity which you own and command as your property - a fetus, then, is also a commodity which you can own and command as your property. This is essentially slavery.

Secondly, following the analogy - if a fetus becomes a human being, and thus can no longer be considered a commodity - does that mean that when the seed becomes a watermelon, then just like the fetus/human, does that imply that the watermelon ceases to be a commodity and can no longer be considered property? Does the watermelon get some kind of right to life or something?

It's a lot more complicated than convenience, lifestyle, etc. Look up the Donohue-Lewitt hypothesis, which uses history to prove abortion's affect on crime-rate. That is not a matter of convenience, but of other people's safety. Actual people, not half-developed ones.

With this we've set the precedent that it is acceptable to punish innocent people for crimes they haven't committed.

Secondly, you are distorting the reality of the situation - abortions are not done for the sake of lowering crime rates. It may be a by-product, but the prime reason for abortion is still an egoistic one. Generally abortions are done because having a child will have a severe impact on the lifestyle of the mother (being unable to pursue a career, not wanting responsibility etc).

Thirdly, if lowering crime rates is important - why not utilize methods that don't involve killing humans - like putting surveillance cameras in every street and every home.

Side: Pro-life
1 point

A human bieng who has not even seen the light of the world does not deserve to die.It is equal to murder

Side: Pro-life
Cuaroc(8828) Disputed
2 points

How is killing something that is a parasite compared to killing an independent human?

Side: Pro-choice
Cuaroc(8828) Disputed
1 point

How is killing something that has no characteristics of being human murder?

Side: Pro-choice

If you were a fetus then..., I would expect that you would be pro-life ;)

Side: Pro-life
1 point

I am pro-life because the fetus had no choice in this. They are a human being as soon as they were conceived. How can we determine when it is thing or a human?

Side: Pro-life
1 point

I believe that abortion is not okay, it is bad. Because, they are people too and we can not decide who should die and who should live and killing people is sin. It is not in human rights, only God can judge. In addition, abortion is harmful for females, abortion can cause different illnesses, such as cancer. Much worse is that in future she couldn't bore a child. So i am against of abortion!

Side: Pro-life
Cuaroc(8828) Disputed
1 point

Didn't take you as a point whore.

Side: Pro-choice